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Execration, playing with dolls.

 
 
Unconditional Love
16:17 / 04.10.06
Okay, not a very positive area of magickal practice, but one that seems to come up in alot of differing cultures, I saw this practice on a documentary i was watching about egyptian magician priests, noting how priests were called upon to curse and how this seemed to fit in with egyptian cosmogony.

It appeals to me because it contains elements of something i have long been fascinated with, that being doll figurine based magic, but some part of me always took it to be an invention of bad horror movies, i new at some level it wasnt, but i had no idea that it was also an egyptian practice.

Execration texts

Nine measures of magic

EGYPTIAN RITUAL IN PRACTICE
 
 
ghadis
16:55 / 04.10.06
Like you say, Slackula, it is a technique that is very common in many, many cultures. I'd say it exemplifies a base and underlyng principle of sympathetic magic. Not just for curses of course. The image of the doll pierced with nails from your 3rd link...



...is interesting for being part of a love spell. Which, as gruesome as it appears, makes sense. The magician imposing his will or influence over the main areas of the body and soul of his 'love interest'.
 
 
Unconditional Love
17:19 / 04.10.06
Another thing it brings home is that the whole notion of high and low magick is a modern notion, that spirituality and witchcraft are one and the same, not distinct catagories, spirituality becomes related to so called higher practices through the later introduction of monotheistic based faiths, unfortunately western magickal traditions still seem to emphasise that, thou many of them certainly appear to adopt egyptian imagery, the characterisation of witchcraft has become seperate from its original involvement, magic for revenge and love is part of a very spiritual life, the need to thwart ones enemies or kill them is recognised as a sacred spiritual act.
 
 
Princess
18:19 / 04.10.06
Possibly off-topic, and I don't really have time to post in detail (I have pints waiting for me), but I think the divide between High and Low are very very much more about money than they are about "spirituality". Although that may be distinction that "high" magicians espouse.
I think it's relevant that the magician's here where working for the Pharaoh and for the rich. Magic using simulcra is really common, and I doubt that the priest\magician's where the only people using it. I would argue that their magic only became "sacred" with the addition of money and political power.

Not that I have a huge amount of evidence to back this up. Tommorow I'll go about researching the distinction and try and prove it rather than just go the full Starhawk. Although it's more than likely offtopic, so I'll start a new thread about "Pseudo-Marxist Interpretations of the High\Low divide". Thanks for the links Slackula, some interesting stuff.
 
 
Unconditional Love
18:47 / 04.10.06
Whats intresting princess is that the priests of a temple worked in 5 rotations throughout the year, they worked one rotation from surviving records in that year, the rest of the time they were farmers and merchants and also would offer there services to there village/town. So the divide in egypt was very different to how we concieve of the priest from a largely christian or monothiestic view point, the priest was a priest magician not a dual functionality but a fused role.

The documentary i watched was on the history channel its called land of the gods, it has alot of very intresting other magical techniques not to dissimilar to babylonian demon bowls, and some very intresting views on the relationship of egyptian pharonic tradition to judaism and coptic and early christianity. Also how islam in cario seems to have become flavoured by the egypt of the past. First time ive seen what elaine pagels looks like as well, her book the gnostic gospels/scriptures was a big influence on me just after me mde.

One particular striking image from the program was of horus riding on horse back spearing a crocodile, not too dissimilar to images of st george, and images of st michael also come to mind.

nde, i never had an experience as a piece of model driven engineering, perhaps thats what the dolls feel like?

So has anybody actually employed barbie or action man in this fashion? a picture i couldnt find but is reminiscent of bondage were figures the egyptians bound in there traditional captive pose to bring enemies i guess under there control, the figures were kneeling with there arms bound to there lower legs, bondage for barbie anyone?

Something else comes to mind from an anime i watched recently, ghost in the shell 2 - the innocent, that presents the idea of why people deign to fashion life like replicas, that the playing of dolls serves for practice to the raising of children, that the games we play as children act as not only practice for our adult life, but also reflect how we will form associations and relations to replicas of humanity, images of humanity that we suspend our disbelief for for the reality they offer, the symbolic presence they create in our own reflections upon ourselves and our humanity. Good anime if anybody gets chance to catch it.
 
 
Ticker
20:52 / 04.10.06
it is great anime.

I'm trying to remember which tradition I heard this about but I vaguely recall some ancient people used poseable statues for their Gods so they could be dressed and moved about.
 
 
Ticker
20:56 / 04.10.06
Haunted Dolls:
Satan will not be hanging out in the alleged Betsy Wetsy you are considering owning
 
  
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