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Family Thematics

 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
04:05 / 16.09.06
Thinking about family patterns, influence, and dynamics in comics. Spurred in part by this post at Ragnell's Written World, on Motherhood in Comics. I've been reading the Cassandra Cain Batgirl series in trades recently, mostly because I'm in love with Damion Scott's artwork after his Solo, and I'm struck by the use of the obvious shadow of pain cast by Cassie's father, the assassin David Cain, over her life; and more importantly the obvious absence/presence of her mother, Lady Shiva even before she connects the dots. This got me thinking about a bunch of different characters and their familial relationships...also, parse this with the Waynes in Batman Begins and how Thomas Wayne is the All-Father while Bruce doesn't seem to have noticed his mother actually doing anything or having any kind of an effect on him in any way...

James Robinson's Starman's a pretty obvious legacy series with a focus on father-son relationships and to a smaller degree brother-brother relationships. Well, father-child; Jack's relationship with Ted Knight is often played against Jack's nemesis, Nash, and her relationship with the Golden Age Mist. Jack resists the Starman legacy in a lot of ways; he's trying to be his own man, even as he accepts the responsibilities of the cosmic rod (shock! Phallic representation of Male Legacy) while Nash constantly vies for her father's acceptance and approval. Ted and Jack have an uneasy relationship as well, but it's mostly just that don't see eye-to-eye on the what the legacy is supposed to mean and they have Jack's brother, David, hanging over them - he died because of the Starman colours and I think that greatly influences how they react to each other; Jack doesn't take the responsibility seriously enough for Ted but Ted hasn't devoted his science to what he "should" be doing with it, preferring to make cosmic weapons and toys and play at childhood - something that's always bothered Jack, apparently. Doris Knight, the Mother Figure, is present mostly in absentia; she's represented at various points by Doris Lee, who shared her name and was Ted's first love, and she is a shadow when Jack learns that his father had an affair with the first Black Canary. I think Dian Belmont in some ways stands in for her, and Jack's idolization of Dian for reasons of artistic prowess rather than martial skill suggests something. Something. Haven't quite parsed that out. It's also important that Jack, during a time travel adventure, inadvertently helps himself be born by forcing his father to go to the party that he would end up meeting Jack's mother at. Nash, meanwhile, is constantly betrayed by her father, treated like she will never amount to anything, and when she becomes a mother to Jack's child and unites the legacies this seems a final nail in the coffin, in some ways.

Brubaker and Cam's Catwoman has something going on with sisters, either blood (Selina and Maggie) or street (Holly and Selina; Selina and Sylvia). Selina never strikes me as a mother figure but she always operates as a big sister to those around her, especially to Holly - Selina looks out for Holly but never babies her. The relationship between Selina and Maggie is fraught with incident and discomfort, they haven't seen each other in years but they're drawn back into each other's gravity to try and rekindle their sibling sense, much as Maggie is punished for it by the Black Mask. I don't remember there being a lot of emphasis on the Kyles, senior, maybe one panel of the dad, but that was it. Selina and Sylvia were given quite a lot of development as well, especially as they were "sisters" who fell out and never rekindle properly, never reclaim their connection. But they know each other, are sisters enough, to hurt each other and exact revenge.

Batgirl - based on what I've seen so far - is caught in a tension between Shiva and Cain, and Shiva's presence in the series is this overwhelming one; Cassandra needs to be better than her mother, replace her in a very real way, or else she dies. Cain maintains a distance from his daughter and is more present through her inability to communicate. Barbara and Bruce exist as these replacement parents who never quite understand how to get through to her because of course they've got as many communication problems as her real ones, although they get around them far more. I need to reread the trades so I can form some better rounded thoughts on Batgirl, though, but does anyone have thoughts on family in comics, the idea of it and the presence of daddy issues, oedipal complexes, parents-being-replaced and kids not proving worthy? Fire some off.
 
 
sleazenation
10:22 / 16.09.06
Is this thread meant to be limited to superhero comics, because off the top of my head I can think of a number of other comics that focus on family relationships.

Chief amongst these is Maus which is as much about Art Spiegelman's relationship with his father as it is a story about him...

David B's Epileptic describes the effect epilepsy, drawn as a series of monsters, has on the author's brother, and the effect that has on his family...

Raymond Brigg's biography of his parents, Ethel and Ernest is incredibly moving. Once you've read it you soon realise how much Briggs entire output has been shaped by his relationship with his parents from the cameo his father plays in Father Christmas to being the inspiration for Jim and Hilda Bloggs, the elderly couple we see being slowly dying from the fallout of a nuclear war, and we're forced to watch. When the Wind Blows is a fantastic book and one that everyone should have read before they die.

Alison Bechdel's Fun Home an autobiography that sort of morphs into an increasingly unreliable biography of her father...

This is just off the top of my head...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:22 / 18.09.06
sleaze: Is this thread meant to be limited to superhero comics, because off the top of my head I can think of a number of other comics that focus on family relationships.

Not specifically superheroic, mostly just that way because the inspiration for it was superheroic and started off because I was thinking about heroines with strong paternal ties versus more maternal ones; which is where the Batgirl connection came in, because Cassandra's mother and father are both quite - prevalent - in the stories and end up being paralleled and offset with her surrogates.

When the Wind Blows is a fantastic book and one that everyone should have read before they die.

I vaguely - very vaguely - remember reading this a long time ago.

Alison Bechdel's Fun Home an autobiography that sort of morphs into an increasingly unreliable biography of her father...

Want to talk more about that? I haven't seen Fun Home but it sounds interesting. I've never known my way around the indie comics as much as I should, probably.
 
 
sleazenation
21:46 / 18.09.06
Want to talk more about that? I haven't seen Fun Home but it sounds interesting. I've never known my way around the indie comics as much as I should, probably.

I'm definitely up for talking more about Fun Home, particularly in relation to Alison's father. In many ways it isn't a biography at all, Bechdel is reduced to a guest starring role to her father, or rather her own fictionalized version of her father. And this is really the crux of the matter for me - Bechdel is marginalized to a guest starring role in what seems to be her own drama. The central role is instead given to her deceased father, a father who appears to become more a creature of fiction as the narrative progresses, a memory of a man, fleshed out by Bechdel and her desire for a more accessible father figure... I would really like to write more but I'm falling asleep as I type this so hopefully I'll be able to come back to this...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:14 / 18.09.06
sleaze: Bechdel is reduced to a guest starring role to her father, or rather her own fictionalized version of her father. And this is really the crux of the matter for me - Bechdel is marginalized to a guest starring role in what seems to be her own drama.

Interesting, given her status as a presumably marginalized artist working in the industry, that it leaks over into her work like that. Is her father presented as a positive figure or a negative one? I need to track it down if I can.
 
 
sleazenation
22:05 / 20.09.06
Hmm I'm not sure if Betchdel is consciously marginalizing herself within her own narrative, but that certainly seemed to be the effect in my initial readings - she describes her own coming-out narrative as being somewhat overshadowed by revelations about her father and his percieved absence, even when he is alive and and actively present, is a recurring motif throughout the narrative - the whole communicating in terms of literary allusions thing further re-enorcing the distance felt by Bechdel towards her parents...
 
 
DavidXBrunt
14:34 / 21.09.06
Family relationships were at the heart of a lot of Jack Kirbys work, be it the cross-generational dynastic and almost operatic stories of the New Gods (or as The Jerry Springer Show would have it 'My father swapped me for a ginger stepson and I ended up calling the embodiment of evil pop') and the Fantastic Four were, I believe, designed to differ from the J.L.A. by not being a team but a family.

Over the last five years John Wagner has started to build upon two of Pat Mills Judge Dredd stories by exploring the family members that were introduced in 13 pages OF 2000 A.D. two decades ago. With the re-union of Joe Dredds niece Vienna and various clone brothers having reached graduating age. One of the joys of Dredd real time (ish) story telling has been that a character who we saw in the early 80's as an infant has aged at the same speed as the readers and is now a grown man and qualified Judge. It's early days yet but the recently started Judge Dredd story is set to explore the origin of the Judges and, most importantly, his clone father Fargo. Knowing John Wagners preference for metaphor in sci-fi it should turn interesting.
 
  
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