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9/11 Memories

 
  

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Slim
02:20 / 12.09.06
I was watching the craptacular 9/11-based drama on ABC and it drudged up all the memories of where I was and what I was doing as I watched the planes hit and the tower fall. I was unexpectedly filled with sadness and shame. I'm curious, did today matter to anyone else here or was it just another day at the office?



I have to vent...WHERE THE HELL IS OSAMA???? I want that bastard's ass in jail or his head on a pike.
 
 
Isadore
03:22 / 12.09.06
Five years since the world went utterly batshit, as I reckon time.

Of course, it wasn't perfect before, but at least my country still had some semblance of a constitution.
 
 
Mistoffelees
05:04 / 12.09.06
For me it´s just another day. And from the news, it seems I´m not alone. Even USAmerican No.1 was only doing his usual routine of us vs them, as he was visiting the site.

Still makes me wonder: if you lie about having had oral sex, you almost get impeached; but if you lie about Saddam Hussein being involved with Al Qaida, lie about secret prisons, lie about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, lie about the mission being accomplished, lie about helping the people of New Orleans, that seems to be fine.
 
 
Mistoffelees
05:25 / 12.09.06
That sounds just like the behaviour of his good friend Berlusconi. So although Rumsfeld once dissed the old world, the Bush administration can learn something useful from Europe.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
06:04 / 12.09.06
9/11 is still important to me, but more now about remembering history so it doesn't happen again.

7/7 is now a far more critical date to me as it stands as near incontrovertible evidence to me that, since that morning, just about everything has been done wrong.
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
06:16 / 12.09.06
Yes, it's important, but I do wish people would stop going on about it. It feels faintly hypocritical.

Mind, personally I think Bush got his man at some point. OBL's been so quiet lately.
 
 
petunia
07:10 / 12.09.06
The whole 9/11 (or 11/9, as it will never be known...) thing sits conflicted in my mind.

The event has been an excuse for some of the most fucked-up-nasty acts of retaliation, greed and mean old political warmongering that I've seen in my lifetime. The whole event is such a political buzzword that it seems to bear no real meaning or connection to the deaths of a few thousand people on a shitty day.

9/11 has become a myth; a rhetorical tool used only to manipulate, confuse, enrage and gain power and backing for the cause-du-jour. This fact leaves me with a wish that people would shut up about it - I end up 'well shut the fuck up about 9/11 for fuck's sake - it doesn't even exist..'

That's a shame, though. Because our memories of what was a shocking and deeply sad event have been so twisted, tweaked and downright used that it seems hard to do the day any really kind of justice.

I sometimes wonder what the people who died that day would say if they knew what has gone down in their name...

It's not like I ever thought Bush Corp. was genuinely trying to 'make right' what happened (how could one do that?), but i still find it rather ironic that its actions have kind of negated any true affect that 9/11 had (for me, at least).

So. Light a candle for the people who died, for their families and their loves and lives. But please keep all that shit about 'atrocity' 'the day the world shook' and 'attack on freedom' away from this.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
07:25 / 12.09.06
It "matters" to me on a personal level ~ I put that in quotation marks because it doesn't really matter the way it does to thousands of others; I didn't lose anyone, it just registers high and impacts deep on my memories ~

weirdly it is a powerful event to me because I feel a long-term love for New York. As a Londoner it is the only place I would bow to as the greater city: I think of it as capital of the world, as Coruscant, city-planet. When I'm in New York I feel like Jack Hawksmoor in the comics, the guy whose energy depends on being hooked up to cities... as if this city really echoes and reflects me. It is the one place I feel I could move to and live in.

So, a scar on New York, though this may still sound stupid, really shocked me. I have a photograph right in front of me here that I took when I was young, when the WTC towers were young ~ it kind of proves to me that I saw them once.

Also I feel a curious... "guilt" (again totally pseudo) that I didn't hear anything about "9/11" (it was just 11th September, another Tuesday) until 5.30 or so that evening, 4 hours after the first plane hit. I was in London, second capital city of the world, and I didn't know anything about it until the towers were long fallen. I didn't live any of it.

I was watching Howard Hawks' film "Scarface" all through it.

So... on a very personal level, I still feel something about it. As it was all over by the time I knew, the news that broke, to me, was all complete ~ the people had jumped, and were buried. If I feel a kind of grief or sorrow about it, it's for the people directly involved, not for "America" in the way Bush marshalled and manipulated it. I still find it very difficult ~ "painful" (not real pain) ~ to imagine how those office workers could possibly have felt, and how it could possibly have been on one of those airplanes. I haven't watched any of the WTC movies or dramatisations, or even documentaries, because I don't really want to confront that kind of human truth: how you feel when you know you're going to die like that.

Anyway, I stayed silent at 1.46 (I hope that was the right time). Most other people didn't seem to realise.
 
 
■
09:42 / 12.09.06
For the reasons Trampetunia gives about the terminology "9/11), I would like to ensure that last year's London bombings don't become as neatly commodifiable, and so steer clear of ever using such terms as "7/7", which give the impression all the implications can be summed up by one symbol which means the same to everyone.
 
 
Jub
10:12 / 12.09.06
For me the NY bombings still resonate on a certain level. I can't think of any other event - including the london bombings (except when talking to Londoners) - where everyone knows what they were doing during those moments. In that way it is this generation's JFK moment.
 
 
Mistoffelees
10:23 / 12.09.06
There was a reply to my 08.04 post, to which I answered with my 08.25 post. It´s gone! o_0
 
 
redtara
10:33 / 12.09.06
Personally, my response to the bombing of the twin towers and the hijacking of the flights used is no more or less than my response to any group of people caught in the middle of appauling violence beyond their understanding or control.

So I put New York in the same box in my head as Fallujah, London, Palestine, Lebanon, Somalia, Angola, Bosnia, Dresden, Cambodia, Chile (with its own 11/9 resonance), Northern Ireland, East Timor, Papua New Guinea and on and on and on and on......

I can not ingage my emotions without letting the events five years ago become a sign post for all the pointless needless useless carnage perpetrated against civilian populations around the globe, whose stories have yet to be made into some bullshit docu-drama.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:01 / 12.09.06
It's still important to me, partly for the reasons that Wonderstarr states but primarily because I recall dreading the future as I watched the towers collapse. It was a terrible moment, not simply because so many people had died horribly and unjustly- that happens all the time- and not simply because it was like watching Hollywood map onto reality but because it was the perfect excuse for Bush's government to fulfill that cowboy dream. The sense of foreboding was important because that expectation has since been fulfilled. I have never sworn as consistently as I did and for as many reasons as I did on that day, it was the most fucked up thing to experience on just about every level but the physical.
 
 
Olulabelle
12:29 / 12.09.06
Yesterday on Newsround they had this report from a little American girl who was 5 when her father died in 9/11. She was showing the cameras around her room talking about her father and she showed this wall full of pictures of him.

She said, "This is my Dad wall and it's full of pictures of him so I remember what he looks like." It kind of silently followed on, "Because otherwise I might forget." And I thought, actually she might since she was only 5 when he died.

I thought that was really sad.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
12:42 / 12.09.06
Very sad.

I pretty much felt the same way as everyone here, but mainly like a combination of .trampetunia, redtara, miss wonderstar and Nadezhda Krupskaya.

I also absolutely detested the ABC drama that was shown in the UK on BB2 last night. I could barely watch it. I can see how some might get some solace from it (which is good, in a way), but I get very concerned and sometimes angry when real, more immediate historic events are dramatised like that. I felt the same way about a recent Dr David Kelly and dramatisation. It's worse when all the facts are still not in. It just adds to the myth and obscures the kernel of truth within. I mean, just read the first few pages of the 9/11 commission report. Bias and honour, and fact and fiction have already burred boundaries; makes life harder and more complicated for everyone.

Plus, I remembered having my Mum's bandaged feet in my lap. At the time she'd had her bunions surgically removed, and I was back home, helping out. She was off work, and a colleague had phoned her for help.

Gloria Hunniford was on the TV, and I was part-watching, part-reading a book, and part listening to how cool my Mum's professional manner is, when I looked up and saw the footage of the first plane hitting. Like Nadezhda Krupskaya suggests, in my first split-second reaction, I thought it was a clip from a movie, and then I suddenly realised (aloud):

"THEY'VE GONE AND FUCKING DONE IT! BASTARDS!"

To my Mum's utter dismay.

I still don't know who "they" are, or where they are. I'm still reserving judgement. Might even be David Icke and his reptilian friends, for all I know.

I even wrote a song about it all last night. Although I only just realised that was what it was probably about. Hmm....
 
 
Disco is My Class War
12:46 / 12.09.06
Not to be callous, but doesn't everyone forget people who die, eventually? Isn't there something slightly pathologically memorialising about a 5 year old, who is encouraged to devote a whole wall to her dead father? Doesn't this reek of the exploitation of death for patriotism? Shouldn't small children be encouraged to remember their parents, but basically get on with their lives?

I don't know, it just seems weird. Death happens. You're more likely to get shot by a cop in the US than to be killed in a terrorist attack; but where are the walls covered in memorials photos and national rituals for people who get shot by cops?

Me, I remember 9/11 very well -- a feeling that I was reacting to it as if I was watching a movie, and the crazy dread of what would happen afterwards. But I memorialise today SIX years ago as more significant, because that was the first time I experienced police violence to my person and to huge numbers of other people. I believe I've commented on this at length on 9/11 posts in the past.
 
 
EvskiG
12:47 / 12.09.06
I was in New York when the towers fell.

After the first plane hit, my office building (filled with consulates, right next to the UN) was closed for security reasons. I easily caught a taxi and heard about the falling of the first tower on the cab's radio. The reporter's voice broke as she reported it.

I got back to the East Village, where I could see the remaining tower smoking outside my window. My cable TV and the phone were down, so I broke out an old aerial and turned on the only TV station that worked. Oddly, the Internet worked perfectly.

I was searching for news when I heard the TV reporter cry out. I turned and saw the second tower fall on TV and outside my window at the same time. It looked like it dissolved in a column of black smoke and glitter (which turned out to be window glass).

The entire neighborhood reeked of smoke, insulation, and burnt flesh for weeks afterward.

The first thing I posted on the Internet was something along the lines of "I hope to God Bush doesn't use this as an excuse for restricting civil liberties."

Was it a disaster? Sure, like hundreds of other things that happen all around the world pretty much every year.

Does it justify anything the Bush administration has done since? Of course not.

Again, as a U.S. citizen, I offer my most heartfelt apologies to the rest of the world for the insanity done by our government in our names. Bush isn't acting for me, and I'm praying for the day he's brought before the International Criminal Court (along with much of his administration) for crimes against humanity.
 
 
diz
12:47 / 12.09.06
I have to say the anniversary didn't really affect me at all.

So much has happened since then, both in the world at large and in my personal life, that it already feels like ancient history. Thinking about it is like looking at a high school yearbook.
 
 
Olulabelle
13:00 / 12.09.06
Not to be callous, but doesn't everyone forget people who die, eventually? Isn't there something slightly pathologically memorialising about a 5 year old, who is encouraged to devote a whole wall to her dead father? Doesn't this reek of the exploitation of death for patriotism? Shouldn't small children be encouraged to remember their parents, but basically get on with their lives?

Because her father died in 9/11 people either eulogise about him, or like you, suggest that remembering him is exploitation.

Of course people forget about people who die eventually, but having your parents die when you're a child is a very bad thing. Quite apart from anything else you still need them. I like her wall idea. it gives her a place to talk to him if she needs to.

To instantly presume that she's been 'encouraged' to 'pathologically memorialise' him is a sad place to come from if you ask me. Perhaps she made it herself since she's ten years old now. Perhaps her mother did encourage her, but why assume it's for distasteful reasons?

And it's not like they made a whole patriotic programme about her anyway, she was just a report on a kids news TV show, on a memorial day.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
13:08 / 12.09.06
You're both right, IMHO.

It's good that the little girl can grieve in her own way, and that the world knows people are dying and grieving.

But it's wrong to use her within a politically idealised Media environment. What do all the other children out there think when they watch Newsround on CBBC? Sure, they should be told about it; but we don't really know that much about what happened either, yet, so...
 
 
■
13:14 / 12.09.06
saw the footage of the first plane hitting

I would guess you mean the first footage of the tower after the first plane hit, as the only footage there was surfaced a few days later (from the people doing the firefighters documentary). It's one of those odd things that we've seen it so many times, we feel as if we did see it happen.
Anyway, I was working in a shopping centre at the time and a woman wandered in and told us about it. We all scoffed and thought she was a loony. Being unable to get anything on the internet (all the news services had fallen over) I wandered along to Dixons in time to watch the first tower fall. Again, my first reaction was "f*ck me" followed swiftly by the worry that Bush was going to start launching nukes. Luckily he didn't, but all those other fears (except the very short-lived one that we'd be hit next) we discussed in the pub after closing early have come true.
Therefore, although it was clearly a horrible thing in itself, what it has been used to justify since has been, I feel, far worse (thousand upon thousand of civilians slaughtered by our guys), so I find it hard to get emotional about it - almost as if sympathising makes me complicit.
 
 
Ticker
13:51 / 12.09.06
I spent yesterday thinking about it on and off remembering being in my office at Harvard University with the door shut and then the phone call from a friend of my sister's asking if she was okay ( the sis lives in NYC). Then I stepped out into the main office the heavy horror and concern the surreal feeling looking out over the skyline waiting for it all to come crashing down.
We were all glued to the radio and I remember contemplating having to walk a very very long way over the course of several days if civilization was ending to get back to my home. My sister was one of the people that walked over the bridges to get out of the city that day.

When the images came on the rolled in TV the surreal feeling only increased and that feeling will always be what I associate with the day. A moment of Apocalypse, of mythmaking reality shifting ripples as the big stone gets chucked into the pond.

Yesterday bouquets of flowers appeared on the memorial bench in the town Square for the local folks killed on one of the planes. I was offended when people pushed them aside to sit on the bench (which has a plaque stating it's purpose). I relented and thought perhaps the people were using the bench out of respect to discuss personal feelings. There were protests in the Square and I watched them with sad if supportive thoughts and thought of all the victims and countless lives wasted in the course of human history through the pursuit of temporal power.

It is always a sad day for me.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
13:57 / 12.09.06
I would guess you mean the first footage of the tower after the first plane hit

Vey true, and your very right. I stand corrected. Indeed, my mistake, your correction and post, even add to the Hollyood sense/ myth / history thing we're talking about, in a way.

So, if when remembering what he's seen and knows, Bush can get it wrong, so can I right? (only kidding)
 
 
grant
14:55 / 12.09.06
1. Keith Olbermann's emotional commentary.

2. I work in a newsroom. It's an office with no walls -- a big, well-lit space about the size of a warehouse, filled with desks, computers and ceiling-mounted television screens, all tuned to news stations. So, when the first plane hit, we knew what was going on.

My first reaction is on my Livejournal -- it's the only thing on there that's not quoted from email or message board posts elsewhere. "Carlo Giuliani, thou art avenged." This was before the buildings actually collapsed -- before the second plane hit, I think. (Although I'm not sure on that.) I'm not sure I'm proud of that, but it's honest.

Carlo Giuliani was a protester beaten to death by police outside the big world trade summit in Italy earlier that year. So, right away, I saw the thing as an act in a cultural war against the hegemony -- the world traders. I still think that's what the attack was about. I still think the religious angle is secondary, in some ways. It's a way to give form to an underlying need for resistance. The form is important, but the resistance is deeper than that. It's ongoing. And because I wrote that down in a place where (theoretically) everyone could see it, I remember that.

Then, I remember the buildings falling, and people around me stopped pretending to work and just stood up and clustered around the TVs, which made a sort of weird image. And I remember getting really worried about a friend of mine -- I'd just visited New York that summer and walked past the WTC plaza from the PATH station to his office, and I knew that if he'd taken a later train, he'd have been right there. But he made it on his early train. I worked the phones and the email, calling him, his wife, and a few other friends in New York, checking up, making sure they were OK.

I also, corny as it sounds, remember Barbelith. By hitting refresh on a couple of threads on here, I was getting information faster than the newswires. People around me started asking what was going on, because I was ahead of the TV news. And these "internet updates" I was getting were from real people who I regularly interacted with, which made the thing much more personal and real and human. They weren't simply reciting facts, but reacting in shock, amusement, horror, annoyance. They were involved, and that meant in some way that I was involved. These were my friends. Not just neighbors or countrymen, but friends. Click. Refresh. Are you still there? Can you get home? Is your family OK?

For one poster who I truly respected (not around too much any more), the answer was "no," and I'm not likely to forget that.

My memories of 9/11 are also tangled up in the anthrax thing that happened a month later, because all the people who I'd called in New York on that day called me back, saying things like, "Now it's *our* turn to worry." Which was nice, at the time. There are a lot of unanswered questions about that attack, and it sometimes seems forgotten because, well, it's not quite as dramatic or symbolic as 9/11, and only one guy died down here. But he was a friend of mine, and friend of my father's, and besides, it could have been me. So my involvement with that is tied into my reactions to 9/11, too. And I'm not going to forget that, either.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
15:09 / 12.09.06
Nor should you. It's all important. Indeed your comment within the post about refreshing and rechecking is apt in many ways.

I didn't lose anyone on the day of 9/11. I've lost people since, people I know personally, in more ways than the physical. I've lost friends to paranoia, irrationailty, through arguments and hostility. I've lost friends and people I would liked to have known and probably got on quite well with. I've lost people to disease, violence, and ultimately death. I will probably lose more in time because of 9/11 and other real and yet clouded events...

Remembering is the only thing that keeps anything alive.

("SHUT UP GAIMAN!")
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
15:59 / 12.09.06
I remember finding out about the attacks, quite late. My brother rang me up and said:
"Have you seen the news? Turn on your TV, they're gonna nuke Bin Laden for this."

All in all, I'm glad it hasn't gone that far yet.

On which note, it occurs to me that the perceived "disproportionate" nature of the US response to this unconventional conventional attack might just be enough to persuade Tehran, Pyongyang or whoever to keep a tight hold on their toys. Might.
 
 
Peek
16:41 / 12.09.06
Yesterday I only remembered halfway through the day, "oh yes, it's the 11th". I remember the day itself very well indeed, but I don't feel drawn to memorialising it.

I recall dreading the future as I watched the towers collapse.

This is exactly how I felt, although in my case there was no watching. I was at work, keeping half an eye on our gaming guild forum. One of my friends worked at CNN and he posted as it happened - after the various news sites jammed up, he was our only source of news and there were several workmates clustered at my desk as I hit refresh, refresh, refresh.... Another friend was evacuated from the Bank of America building... another worked near Mildenhall and posted about the sudden activity there, planes taking off and landing. My family knew my brother had an NY trip but we didn't know when, or where he was. (He was fine.) I remember the swirl of confusion and fear and thinking very clearly that nothing would be the same from now on.

I also remember being sad about the irrevocable loss of America's innocence, if that makes any sense, and a sinking sense of inevitability about what the reaction was going to be.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:47 / 12.09.06
I was working a night shift, so I was sleeping when it all happened. I got woken up by the phone ringing, then hoped it would stop. It kept ringing for about five minutes, so eventually I answered it, and it was my flatmate telling me to turn on the TV.

Walking into work that evening to read all the following day's papers was weird. We still used to read manually then, and we had to read every one of the "human interest"/"eyewitness report" pieces, which we'd normally not have been too bothered with, as so many of our clients had offices in the WTC.

Just reading about it over and over again from different perspectives was fairly horrible, and I was safely thousands of miles away.
 
 
Mistoffelees
17:53 / 12.09.06
Thom Yorke told me about the fallen towers and the pentagon. He said, he is hoping, GWB doesn´t start World War III. I was "oh yeah, typical Radiohead paranoia, what is he babbling about?".

But I remembered, that my father, sounding agitated, had spoken something about New York on my answerphone, just as I was leaving for the open air concert. I explained the gloomy atmosphere after the concert to Radiohead open air concert + heavy showers.

Only after I was home, did I learn about it, as I saw the photos on my provider´s homepage. I wrote "Humanity´s insane." into my diary.

When I met my father the next day, he was really depressed, him being the biggest No. 1 USA fan, I´ve ever known. It´s still puzzling, how the US could turn such supporters into seeing this "land of the free" as a grave threat for the world´s future.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:56 / 12.09.06
It's very true that the internet seemed to come into its own that day. I still have transcripts of 9/11 mIRC conversations (from #teens, #islam, #christianity, stuff like that), website tributes, the pages and pages of discussion board meltdown from various diverse communities on 11 Sept 2001. It really doesn't seem that long ago, but I felt at the time it might be useful or interesting one day (perhaps on the 10 year anniversary) as a snapshot of how the web was, as well as everything else.

Maybe I went into a kind of turbo overdrive, surfing and saving, because I'd come to it "late" and felt some need to catch up, to archive... to experience it, even.

But discussion boards seemed the place to be that day, for immediate information, for emotional spillage, for feedback, community, even the first sick jokes.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:58 / 12.09.06
We still used to read manually then,

Sorry Stoat but what science fiction is this?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:19 / 12.09.06
Sorry, wonderstarr, what I meant was we used to actually sit there with the papers and read every article (having memorised all the clients' needs, or at any rate that was the idea), rather than using this newfangled computery OCR electrickery.

You're right, though. Bulletin boards were the place to be. I'd not had much experience, really, other than the odd post here, but that was the day I really "joined" Barbelith, as it were. The immediate information coming from those actually in New York, and the level-headed way with which it was being dealt, as well as the amount of care and sympathy being sent their way by non-NY posters, were some of the things that made me love this board.

The first pointer I really had that "the world had changed", though, was, as is to be expected, quite an ugly one. The next day, a friend, someone I'd known for years, and who has always been one of the most chilled and tolerant people I know, said to me "doesn't it make you feel like killing some fucking ragheads?" (Needless to say, my response probably wasn't the one he was hoping for. Probably had more swearing in it, too).

This is it, I thought. They're picking sides.

In retrospect, that seems to have been a brief aberration for the guy. I think the immediacy and horror overtook his usual good nature, as I haven't heard anything similar from him since. But it was still something of a wake-up call- the actual deaths involved seemed quite distant, mediated by TV and a bloody great ocean. But when he said that shit, it really brought it home that this was real, and it wasn't the same world as it had been a couple of days previously.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
18:19 / 12.09.06
Clear your thoughts and Ze'll tell you, "electronically"....

"....All in due time..."
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
18:20 / 12.09.06
See?!

SEE?

(ahem)
 
 
imaginary mice
19:14 / 12.09.06
9/11 is still very important to me but mostly for personal reasons.

September 2001 was quite possibly the happiest and most eventful month of my life. I graduated that year and in September I moved to Southampton, got my first job, rented a flat on my own for the first time and, most importantly, met someone very special (who later that month would become my first 'proper’ boyfriend).

I remember watching the news coverage on TV, utterly shocked and with tears running down my face. But at the same time I felt quite excited and hopeful. I assumed that people would sit back and think about the events of 9/11, that there would be debates about globalisation and capitalism, America as a superpower, the dominance of the West… I thought that as a result Western governments would pay more attention to the needs and views of the Muslim world, that there would be better understanding, harmony, world peace…

Terribly silly, I know, but I just felt so wonderfully optimistic and positive at the time. I know I will never feel that way again about anything (world politics, relationships, work…) and that is depressing.

9/11 reminds me of all my hopes and dreams being shattered. And this year it’s been particularly painful. I can’t believe it’s been 5 years since I last felt truly happy and hopeful.
 
  

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