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The Possibility of Immortality

 
 
Henningjohnathan
17:28 / 07.09.06
WIRED: Kurzweil plans to live forever

Ray Kurzweil doesn't tailgate. A man who plans to live forever doesn't take chances with his health on the highway, or anywhere else.

As part of his daily routine, Kurzweil ingests 250 supplements, eight to 10 glasses of alkaline water and 10 cups of green tea. He also periodically tracks 40 to 50 fitness indicators, down to his "tactile sensitivity." Adjustments are made as needed.

"I do actually fine-tune my programming," he said.

The famed inventor and computer scientist is serious about his health because if it fails him he might not live long enough to see humanity achieve immortality, a seismic development he predicts in his new book is no more than 20 years away.

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Kurzweil writes of millions of blood cell-sized robots, which he calls "nanobots," that will keep us forever young by swarming through the body, repairing bones, muscles, arteries and brain cells. Improvements to our genetic coding will be downloaded from the Internet. We won't even need a heart.
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"I'm not calling Ray a quack, but I am calling his message about immortality in line with the claims of other quacks that are out there." said Thomas Perls, a Boston University aging specialist who studies the genetics of centenarians.

Sherwin Nuland, a bioethics professor at Yale University's School of Medicine, calls Kurzweil a "genius" but also says he's a product of a narcissistic age when brilliant people are becoming obsessed with their longevity.

"They've forgotten they're acting on the basic biological fear of death and extinction, and it distorts their rational approach to the human condition," Nuland said.

Kurzweil says his critics often fail to appreciate the exponential nature of technological advance, with knowledge doubling year by year so that amazing progress eventually occurs in short periods.


Even though I think it's likely that we won't see viable immortality tech within my lifetime, is there any reason to suspect that it will never be available or feasible?
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
19:31 / 07.09.06
Even though I think it's likely that we won't see viable immortality tech within my lifetime, is there any reason to suspect that it will never be available or feasible?

From a purely practical point of view, no, I don't think so. However, the achievement of an immortal body doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with the achievement of complete immunity to diseases, so we might see a society composed of people who'll potentially live forever. (And of course, we'd probably need to exceed Type III and do something really strange to the universe, otherwise there ain't no-one going to be living forever...)

I suspect the real obstacles to immortality would be the catastrophic social effects should it ever become available, particularly if it arrived in the form of an expensive treatment. I for one would be somewhat upset at the idea of, say, Dick Cheney or Kim Jong-Il living forever; even a tiny bit of immortality could trigger mass resentment and bloodshed. Introduce it in larger amounts and we might see a stratification and solidification of existing power structures; introduce it globally and the world population could go through the roof faster than you can say Malthus*.

On a completely speculative note, we could perhaps imagine some possible transition to electronic consciousness, or even wilder, to an energy-based existence, as being possible candidates for more robust immortality.

*Kim Stanley Robinson's excellent hard sf Mars Trilogy has a good chunk of speculation along these lines.
 
 
Red Concrete
19:58 / 07.09.06
I suspect the real obstacles to immortality would be the catastrophic social effects should it ever become available

I suspect it will be the small, trivial day-to-day accidents that will be the real obstacles, eventually. I predicted about a decade ago that we might be the first generation from which some of us never die - but as a friend pointed out, you could step in front of a bus tomorrow...

What I'm getting at is that physical immortality and eternal vitality is not a reasonable expectation of the laws of probability. Stochastic events will always exist (hail Eris, yadda yadda).
 
 
Henningjohnathan
20:09 / 07.09.06
I wonder how the religious organizations would react to the idea. Obviously, I think most would cite that even if you lived to the end of the universe, there would still be an "end" at some point for your life, but still it would seem to move in on their "monopoly" on eternal life (or the "after" life).
 
 
Jared Louderback
03:16 / 08.09.06
"On a completely speculative note, we could perhaps imagine some possible transition to electronic consciousness, or even wilder, to an energy-based existence, as being possible candidates for more robust immortality."

This is something that has always bugged me: When you "transfer" your conciousness into a robut or computer, is that actually you, or just a complete copy of you? I mean, no one else would be able to tell the difference between a robut version of you with all your likes, dislikes, memories, and that believes it is you, but YOU sure would be able to tell the difference.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:39 / 08.09.06
No you wouldn't. You'd be programmed not to.

Sorry.
 
 
Henningjohnathan
13:43 / 08.09.06
There is a scientist (I think he's here in Los Angeles) who's come up with a model for "seamless" transfer. Essentially, it would be a surgical/engineering technique where your nervous system is gradually nerve-by-nerve replaced with an electronic surrogate so that you'd go from 1% of your brain function being performed electronically to 100%. His point is that since we aren't made up of the same cells that existed at birth, the actual matter at the base of our conscious and unconscious personality doesn't really matter.
 
 
Jared Louderback
06:17 / 09.09.06
I suppose that makes sense.
 
  
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