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The Wire: Season 4

 
 
ibis the being
22:27 / 06.09.06
Season 4 of The Wire is about to start and several folks had expressed interest in the last Wire thread about discussing Season 3 so let's do that too.


* SPOILERS abound for the third season *


I just finished watching Season 3 and, as I'd expected, it was brilliant. It's hard to know where to begin ... we saw Major Colvin's experiment in Hamsterdam, Carcetti's attempts to make a name for himself in politics, Avon getting out of prison only to bump heads with Stringer Bell in the running of their operation.

I loved what they did with Stringer's character this season. He became this great Shakespearean tragic hero and Idris Elba did an amazing job - I was riveted every time he had a scene. I thought for a while that we were going to see him just splinter off from the Barksdale crew... and then the moment when Avon told him "you're not hard enough for us, and you're not smart enough for them" was shattering - more poignant than his murder soon after.

I was less fond of the Carcetti subplot... unfortunately it bored me, the actor bored me, I found myself spacing out. I understand what they were doing with him but he was so bland I had trouble paying attention to his scenes.

This past Sunday HBO showed two "making of" specials about the show and the new season. The first is called The Wire: Connected and the second is The Wire: The Game. They're reairing them a few times (see links) so if you can catch them, do. Lots of interview time with the writers and some with the actors... they're infectiously passionate about the show. Interesting behind the scenes stuff like how the producers (former Baltimore cops) use ex-cons in the cast - for example, the reverend in Season 3 was someone David Simon (I think, or Ed Burns?) personally had locked up for something like 18 years.

Go ahead, you've been waiting to talk about it....
 
 
Spaniel
21:08 / 09.09.06
The Wire is surely the most popular show on Barbelith that no-one ever talks about.

So then, Series 3 (here be spoilers), what didn't happen? Stringer dies, NcNulty finally brings down Avon's crew (and goes back to the Western as a beat cop), Omar finally gets his revenge, Prez fucks up for the last fucking time, the truth behind D'Angelo's death is out (mainly), Cedric gets his career break, and Rawls, well, what can I say?...

Wow

And that's before we get into the truly disturbing ramifications of Hamsterdam.

But, but, what the bugger is supposed to happen in Series 4? Carcetti, sure, but what else? Can McNulty really go back to The Wire?
 
 
Spaniel
21:43 / 09.09.06
Ah, here's the trailer.

And by God does this series look like it's gonna rock.
 
 
ibis the being
18:18 / 10.09.06
The specials I mentioned above talked a lot about what they're planning to do with the new season. They're going to be following a group of four young kids - I guess they're hoppers? not sure on that - through their schooling, their home lives, their involvement in the drug business, etc. Prez is a teacher, Colvin seems to be someone or other at the school... I really hope we follow McNulty on the beat but I'm not sure if he's going to be in it much. I'm not even sure if they're going to follow up with Carcetti actually.

I'm going to miss tonight's premier but I'll see it tomorrow....
 
 
Spaniel
11:40 / 12.09.06
Right-ho, that was brilliant. For all of you that didn't think this series should go to another season, think again. It's like we're into the second book - the theme's sung by an all new, all female singer and has a distinctly modern RnB feel, the characters find themselves in very different places, and the team has been blown to the four winds. Not only that but the criminals we knew and loved (mostly) aren't in The Game anymore. Instead of Stringer and Avon we've got Marlon, Snoop and Chris, but the real players, the real players look set to be the kids. School kids.

Oh, and while Jimmy's still in it, it looks like this arc's central character may well be Tommy Carcetti.

Or not, still early days.

What ya reckon, Ibs?

Oh, and to all you utter morons not watching this show, for fucking shame.
 
 
sleazenation
11:52 / 12.09.06
I'm all the all the way back in season one- well, i've finished season one, but have yet to progress further...

Yes it is a real shame that this show isn't getting wider play, I think part of that, in the UK at least, has been because it's been sidelined on fox FX, a channel you probably wouldn't even remember to check even if you had Sky...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
13:26 / 12.09.06
I love this show. Boboss - wrt the theme

Q: What about "Way Down In The Hole" for season 4? Did you get someone to newly-record the song or did you pick a previously-recorded version? [Glen in Pennsylvania]

A: In keeping with the theme of the season, we sought out voices of middle-school-aged students from Baltimore. Rather than seek out a particular recording artist this year, we tried for the essential voice of our adolescent characters.

Beyond the musical choice, I think it works emotionally.

All of the boys are from Baltimore and Tony Small, who directs a boys choir locally, found them for us.


Nice. I just started rewatching recently - I'm just starting season 2 again. And this show still blows me away. It's such an amazing, layered show. And a great show about work. People talking about what they want to do, what they want to get done and then nothing happening about that until the next series, even. It's amazing that way, but there's so many other things.

For me, the second series is the absolute pinnacle of any series of any tv show ever. The ending of the last episode really just blows me away, everything piling up on Nick until he just can't take it anymore - all the docks, industrial sites, the futility of trying to work at something which is basically dying out and nothing is being done. The world just shifted away and you're stuck. And the show works so hard for those big moments. I can barely articulate how impressive it all is or even what it means - but emotionally it just grabs you by the stones* and smacks it in to you.

And for that reason the third season felt like a bit of a let down to me (but only because I really feel like nothing can compare).

The kids are the focus this season, for sure. We've had McNulty's story, he's gone now. I really think that conversation with Bunk summed it up too - Bunk wants go drinking, piss in the wind at the train like the old days, McNutty himself is all about Beadie and the kids. Says it all, really. He's content now and that's fine because things have moved on. Game done changed! (Because this show really works for all it's moments and characters I actually find myself missing people like Stringer, the old days when they had the corners running smooth... )

Yeah. The Wire is a show about change, shifting climates, and I've never seen anything else capture it so finely - and from every level no less. I'm always resistant to the way it changes at first too, until I just get swept along in it and almost forget...

Oh, INdeed.

*Wire-speak is infectious.
 
 
Spaniel
18:56 / 12.09.06
It's all about change... except that at it's heart it isn't, it's all about the things that don't change, poverty, crime, human fallability and greed.

Every single final show across the series throws together a series of shots to hammer this point home.
 
 
Spaniel
18:57 / 12.09.06
(Season two's my fave too)
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
20:52 / 12.09.06
Oh, for real. Game done changed/the game stay the same! It's the way it has that very real sense of things changing - the towers coming down etc - and those same things shifting along the line a little.

Aaaaagh, the whole thing just makes me all excitable. And at first, when people reccomended the show to me I was just all, "What, a cop show? No thanks".
 
 
Spaniel
21:41 / 12.09.06
I know! So was I.

In fact I think the "not another cop show syndrome" is a big problem for the show.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
22:14 / 12.09.06
Yeah, I can see it being an obstacle that needs to be overcome before getting in to the show. Also it took me at least a few episodes before things started coming together; I think a little perseverance is required as well. I plan on trying to persuade people to see it myself...

But really - now - I relate this series to so many things, I end up relating it to art and writing a lot personally. A struggle to do right, do something good (but balanced out with the futility/frustration/difficulty of such a thing, people just trying to survive, all those humps who dont even care and on and on)... aaack, the layers! It's really about everything in a lot of ways, the characters are so strong. I can't think of any other series which feels like it covers so much for me, just emotionally.

It's like all the police stuff, all the drug stuff, it just becomes a sort of language that's communicated in by the characters rather than all it's ever about. All little microcosms, of seperate worlds/cultures even, all running in tangent - operating and affecting each other in the same space.

Who has never known someone like Ziggy? Nobody.

And the new series already seems promising - I knew it was going to focus on the kids from the end of series 3 when all the young 'uns were popping up, but then it's delving deep right in to the very opposite end as well, with all the politics (and I know last season did as well, but that felt more like it was running along in the background and now it'll be a focus). I think that'll throw up some interesting things, running side by side.

And also, there's always Omar. Cos really now, who doesn't love Omar?

Apologies. This show makes me babble. I can't help it.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
23:25 / 12.09.06
See, what I love is that McNulty isn't gone -- he's still around, but now he's just another character in a cast of many, not an obvious lead. (That mantle has apparently fallen to Tommy Carcetti.)
 
 
ibis the being
00:13 / 13.09.06
I love the new younger characters... well, it's too early for that, but I love the concept of focusing on the hoppers. I was already beginning to think of them last season while watching Stringer and musing that he was once a hopper too (I'm sure this was intentional on the writers/directors' part) - how do they get from here to there, how does a hopper become a Stringer or Avon or Marlow, what shapes them along the way... that will be a good story arc I expect.

Sad to say I'm still not into Carcetti. A big part of the problem for me is that actor - I like he stinks. The actors in Season 2 were so good, a lot of the actors in the Barksdale crew are great, but the guy playing Carcetti is SO fucking awkward for me. In this new premier his character did some crazy Uturn and suddenly became a loudmouthed asshole? What happened there? I could never be sure if he was supposed to be drunk or if that was just shitty acting.

Anyway. Snoop rules.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:46 / 13.09.06
"I like he stinks" ?
 
 
Spaniel
17:50 / 13.09.06
I don't have strong feelings about Carcetti yet, but, tbh, I was impressed by how much (I think) his acting has improved. I also think his script last episode expanded on the character's emotional range considerably and plausibly. Okay, he's a bit more shouty, but we're catching up with him one year later and that's one year spent having all his cocksure optimism beaten out of him, and, well, I believe a year spent running for mayor in that city would do that to a body.
 
 
Spaniel
17:50 / 13.09.06
Snoop is fucking amazing. Does the actress speak like that IRL?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
19:09 / 13.09.06
Yeah, have to agree I don't think there was any U-turn as such for Carcetti, just that he took his level of loudmouthed assholery up a notch through frustration. I liked that the whole sequence with him was just how draining his campaign was, and how he was struggling to even carry on being that tired. Very interested to see where that's headed...

I still can't watch him without thinking of Queer As Folk, though. Although luckily that doesn't feel too much out of place, for some reason.

About the actress who plays Snoop.
 
 
Spaniel
19:25 / 13.09.06
Queer as Folk, shit I knew I knew him from somewhere. Yet another British lead on the show, eh?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
20:17 / 13.09.06
I didn't even realise Dominic West was British until a while back!

And there was also this...


I am also reminded of the one real glaring thing I don't like about this show - evil Jew lawyer syndrome. The one character that really has nothing to him. Although the pay off is that great moment with Omar in Season 2.
 
 
Spaniel
20:33 / 13.09.06
I know what you mean, the lawyer bugs me too. It seems like such an odd oversight.

I love what Charlie Brooker has to say about the show. He inverts his usual invective and comes up with praise that verges on coercion.
 
 
ibis the being
22:08 / 13.09.06
"I like he stinks" ?

Typographical error.
 
 
Bed Head
16:52 / 16.04.08
*years pass....*


So, hey! Season 4 = best season yet? Surprised at the lack of discussion on here about now, after the DVD set just came out and all. I'm midway thru a second watch of this, and totally impressed by the kids playing Michael and Namond - especially Michael, who starts off like he's near enough the youngest, softest boy in the group, and then slowly turns into something else. I know it's well foreshadowed, but still, it's a gradual transformation, and I think it's played really well.


Also, no love for the Carcetti actor? C'mon, he's perfect for the part - he's so very nearly really good-looking, you can see how he'd look good in a campaign photo, all airbrushed and stuff, but it still always seems like he's shown as being shorter than anyone else in any room he's ever in, plus he just can't help but looking and sounding a bit weasel-y and whiny.



..So nice to come here and finally read a years-old barbethread and find myself agreeing with things that have been written-- what's really hitting me now is that sense of time moving on that's already been mentioned in this thread and others; I love how all the stuff we got with Carv's character in S3 has kept on going forward- so, f'rexample, now he actually knows all the corner kids by name, and so on - such a change from the start of S3 where he's chasing down alleys with all the other cops. Also, there have been these gradual shifts in Carv's character since S1, and all that really does bounce off of Herc's really fucking deep-set lack of ability - I mean, there's one specific point I'm thinking of where Carv just looks at Herc with a kinda frustrated/horrified 'what the fuck?' look on his face, and it's weird to think they were ever, y'know, almost a sort of comic relief cop-buddies double-act. Also, yes, the change in McNulty, which makes sense the way he explains it and plays it; and also, the placing of the election day smack-bang right in the middle of the season seems to tie into this same theme, too-- how the election isn't the big climatic event it *could* be portrayed as, but is just one part of an ongoing neverending etc etc process of change, maaaan.

I mean, dunno if I'm making sense with this, but I just think with S4 of the Wire, it actually feels like real time has passed in Baltimore. And yeah, I know that the show has run with this sort of theme before, and I see that everyone else who's been talking about the wire on barbelith seems to have long-since noticed it, too-- but I think it's just hitting me how weird this feels, though, to have these characters, and where they live, grow and age on me like this.
 
 
Bed Head
16:55 / 16.04.08
Also, Omar! The bit where he's taken to prison, the sense of fear for him as he's taken in in cuffs, through a crowd baying for his blood. And then, when his minders reveal themselves to be minders, minders that Butchie's sent over = biggest sigh of relief evah.



Also, yikes, poor poor old Bubbs. Sob.
 
 
Blake Head
16:44 / 11.07.08
Difficult to do more than add to the accumulated praise at this point; possibly mentioned in the threads on previous seasons is that there’s so much good content it’s difficult to isolate specific themes or characters without appearing to detract from the way that the entirety of the fictional world feels so plausible and self-contained. Pointing out this or that development seems almost too obvious when the show works through a slow build-up of events and decisions that only very occasionally leads to a dramatic confrontation – and even then that usually only signals a slight change in direction and continuation rather than a terminus. In a show that sometimes feels like it’s been designed to be described as difficult to follow, it’s maybe remarkable how low-key and really how clear much of the drama is, I’ve caught myself just soaking up the presentations of the characters with an expectation that every action will in some way inform what’s to come – then realising how different that makes this show compared to most others.

Anyway, garble of praise over, a number of things I particularly liked about season four centred on the kids, and the way that to an even greater degree than previous seasons we were given a perspective on those either at the bottom of the system or not quite yet having entered the system (or the game, if you like) which we’ve seen as being fairly fixed in the past, and those at the top (or on top) of the local system
that get to decide some things for those lower down, but also have to react to events that happen at a lower level (too many bodies, or example). And by those at the bottom I’m meaning the kids that still seem to have if not the freedom to escape entry into that structure but to varying degrees still have some choices about where into that system that they’ll fit.

And as I write that, it seems to suggest that kids aren’t already caught up in the gears of their society and history, and that seems false immediately, because of course the corner kids are where they are because of their parents and because of a lack of opportunity based on race and poverty and distorted expectations, so in a lot of ways of course their options are decided for them. As much as the season is about fresh starts and interventions, as noted above by Boboss and others it’s about change but also about things staying the same, about repetition. But for the kids that we focus on, certain choices are made, and I think surprising ones (or surprising to me at any rate). Originally it seemed clear that Michael was the responsible one of the group, who was going to try and pull himself and his brother away from his family and the corners, while Namond seemed destined for a future spent slinging on the streets. And by the end of the season things have gone the other way, Michael’s cold side is revealed, while Namond is shown that he’s not like Wee-Bey. So on the one hand we’re shown an imperfect attempt at repetition (the attempt by his mother to turn Namond into a gangster) while at the same time another kind of repetition, the abuse Michael has suffered from his stepfather seeming to fuel his violent side and in effect determine what path he’s going to follow. And to go back to the guys at the top of the chain of command, the more we see of their world the more it’s suggested that for all their apparent freedom and privilege they’re still tied into a world of bargaining and compromise, they’re aware that their actions today might restrict their choices in the future, and that as far up the system you go there will always be someone with more money or influence who’s prepared to extract favours or keep you down in order to maintain their own position, so that frustration and disappointment runs right through the system from top to bottom….


As a side note, I really liked the way that The Wire didn’t need to do anything more than hint at Michael’s abuse, and given their unspoken understanding the likely abuse of Chris as well, because what for another show might have been a subtle clue that needed to be reinforced a couple of times feels natural here, because the viewer is already trained for catching those sorts of nuances. See! Some tv, good tv, can be good for you. So good that one of the few unrealistic moments in the series, the opening where Michael is chased into an abandoned building, before shooting his pursuers who seemed to bleed some bright variety of ketchup, had already been forgiven (personally I mean) given the general high standards of the show, before it was revealed, of course, to be unreal.

So on to season five, which has to be about the bodies, Marlo and the Mayor / Major Crimes Unit drive on high quality busts, and where our recurring characters some of the kids end up, right? As substantial as season four felt, so much of it felt like it was setting up future events that they were never going to be able to squeeze in, I’m hoping that they manage to keep up the standards and format for season five. Do people think there is going to be room enough for more Bubbs and Omar, who both seemed to have reached a certain point in their arcs where their parts could be de-emphasised without detracting from the main narrative?

(God that last sentence sounds counter-intuitive given that this is The Wire.)

Anyone else been catching up with the boxed set and has thoughts to share?
 
  
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