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The Dying Days of Tony Blair

 
  

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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:12 / 14.09.06
He has been a fantastic Prime Minister

Do you really mean that? Yeah, the big thing is he made Labour electable, but he also made them NOT LABOUR ANYMORE. Between him and Alastair Campbell, any trust we may once have had in our leaders has been totally shat on. He's turned us into a US client state, apart from anything else. He's done more to destroy the office of Prime Minister than a million anarchists could ever dream of- for fuck's sake, the guy wants his passing to involve appearances on Blue Peter and the Chris Evans show???

Good things have occurred under his government, I'll grant that- unemployment's down, etc. But at what price? We're bogged down in TWO wars that are going nowhere other than the cemetery, and have no sign of being over before he finally fucks off- leaving whoever inherits his mantle to deal with them.

I'm sorry, but the man is a lying motherfucker and needs to fuck off sooner, rather than later. I like to imagine that this is all a dream, and that John Smith never had that car accident (for all the talk of Blair making Labour electable, the Tories were doing a pretty damn good job of making themselves UNelectable. Smith would have had a pretty good chance). But I can't stay that delusional for long.

Mister Tony is, in short, a wanker.
 
 
nighthawk
21:51 / 14.09.06
Hewitt's doing a diversion but on whose behalf? Who is Hewitt working for?

There definetely seems to be anti-Brown factions vying for power. Anyone care to speculate who they'll line up behind?

He's done more to destroy the office of Prime Minister than a million anarchists could ever dream of

Who would be an example of a 'good' prime minister? The only possible candidate I can think of is Attlee.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
22:07 / 14.09.06
Stoatie, I thought John Smith died of a heart attack?

And in my opinion the UK became a client state of the USA with Thatcher, espcially after the cruise missiles were placed here and British airfields were used to bomb Libya.

It was *just* business-as-usual under Major and Blair.

Like nighthawk said I can't think of a good Prime Minister apart from Clement Attlee. What with the creation of the National Health Service and an attempt at full employment.

...

Is it possible that Blair is holding on because the office has become a poison chalice? Things are deteriorating in the Middle East?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:49 / 14.09.06
Fuckin' hell, you're right. I have no idea why I thought it was a car accident, other than I was doing a lot of drugs at the time. I really thought it was, though.

Business as usual... I can kind of get that. But while Thatcher destroyed the unions, and Major, well, invaded Iraq... I think Blair did far more destructive things internally. Thatcher didn't quite make us a US client state... she came close, but we probably could have got out of that one. Probably.

Thatcher did horrible, horrible things. She fucked up the UK. She really did. And I hate to say this, but I will be fucking happy when she dies. A Labour government could have- should have- tried to right the wrongs she did. Blair exacerbated them. And has made it very difficult for anyone to change that back.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:44 / 14.09.06
We're bogged down in TWO wars that are going nowhere other than the cemetery

The Independent ran an article on the number dead under various Prime Ministers. It's something like 60,000 more under Blair than Thatcher and I can't think of a better argument against Blair as a good PM.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:47 / 14.09.06
I say it was The Independent but I'm not sure it was...
 
 
nighthawk
06:05 / 15.09.06
I don't understand. 60, 000 of the GBP, or 60, 000 people worldwide that the Independent judge have died as a direct result of the Blair premiership?
 
 
David Batty
08:18 / 15.09.06
You're right that Thatcherism had a poisonous effect on UK society. Just think of what impact the right to buy coupled with the cut in social housing has had on inner cities.

But there were some points in Thatcher's favour. You may have hated what she stood for but at least she had convictions, was open about them & stuck to them. Unlike Blair whose values change in line with the results from his latest focus group.

And while she undoubtedly enjoyed a special relationship with the US president it seemed more of a partnership than the subvervient position adopted by Blair.

Another point is that the right to buy did lead to significant social mobility in this country - bringing a lot of working class families into the middle classes (whether or not they regarded themselves as being such).

But under New Labour social mobility has actually dropped! And I expect it to fall further with the introduction of top up fees. University is going to be the preserve of the rich - far more than it is already. Many will be forced to study close to home (if at all) to reduce their debts, putting the elite universities further out of their reach.

This government is a clique of slimy, insincere midle class climbers who having reached the top have drawn up the ladder to success behind them.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
08:55 / 15.09.06
Another point is that the right to buy did lead to significant social mobility in this country - bringing a lot of working class families into the middle classes (whether or not they regarded themselves as being such).

But "social mobility" still = assumption of continuing inequality in society. It means that some people supposedly find it easier to move up to the next floor, but there's still a bloody big difference between floors...
 
 
nighthawk
09:05 / 15.09.06
Yes, and in the long run Thatcher's policy only served to accentuate this inequality. It drew a boundary between those who bought their house, and the rest who are now completely exposed to the vicissitudes of housing market and private landlords, i.e. much worse off than they were before.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:34 / 15.09.06
Clare Short is stepping down as an MP and may even get thrown out of the Labour Party for comments she made about wanting a hung Parliament in The Independent. Poor old Clare, if only she hadn't dithered about quitting the Cabinet several years ago, anything she does now might matter to people.

Things seem to have quietened down for Blair this week. Having the unions call for him to stand down is business as usual. I wonder what's going to happen at the Conference. They're doing a fairly good job making sure no-one will be able to protest OUTSIDE the venue.
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
09:34 / 15.09.06
I was wondering if the Blair-Brown animosity was a cunningly contrived scheme, playing on their known dislike of each other to deflect as much blame as possible for Iye-raq onto Tony and allow the new leadership to claim an innocent / apologetic / very different from the old regime status with the intention of warding off further suicide-murderers etc.

Then I thought nah, that's a bit too far into conspiracy-land. Still, with any luck a dumb feud will have the same effect.
 
 
nighthawk
09:47 / 15.09.06
Then I thought nah, that's a bit too far into conspiracy-land. Still, with any luck a dumb feud will have the same effect.

It doesn't really matter whether it was planned or not though really, that's the exact effect its having. But I don't understand why we'd want it too? Its not like Blair's been the sole architect of New Labour policy for the last eight years.
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
10:25 / 15.09.06
Oh, absolutely, but I suspect that repeatedly, loudly and publicly calling the last few years "Blairist" allows both sides to benefit; Tony can have his dubious legacy (never mind Iraq, friggin' PFI!), Brown can have his clean break.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
12:58 / 15.09.06
Poor old Clare, if only she hadn't dithered about quitting the Cabinet several years ago, anything she does now might matter to people.

Yes, it's genuinely tragic, isn't it? All across the country, people aren't really weeping into their Fair Tade pashminas.

Not seeing the idea that Gordon can have 'a clean break' from Tony though - while I do hope they despise each other every bit as much as I think they do (this being to the point where each pretty much soils himself with disgust at just the mention of the other's name,) I'm not sure how Gordon could expect to *draw a line* under policies that, as unchallenged keeper of the piggy bank for nearly a decade, he's basically co-authored.

I do wonder about Alan what-his-name though - with a long enough lead-in time, say, nine or so months, does Alan have it in him to leave Gordon just standing there, broken, impotent and spinsterish, seething outside the church? On what should have been Gordon's 'big day'?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
19:51 / 15.09.06
with a long enough lead-in time, say, nine or so months, does Alan have it in him to leave Gordon just standing there, broken, impotent and spinsterish, seething outside the church?

No.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:27 / 16.09.06
I wonder if Blairites are concentrating less on the leadership but on the deputy leadership, it's the one Cabinet post that the Prime Minister has no control over, but now apparently Hilary Benn has thrown his hat in the ring for the DPM post as well.

Geoff Hoon has announced that Blair should step down before the May elections next year. Personally I think Hoon is such an idiot (didn't he seem to think the British troops didin't need to be fully supplied before being shipped off to the Iraqi summer?) that he's trying to do Blair a favour by allying with the Brown camp to make them look bad.
 
 
Quantum
18:37 / 20.10.06
Former Cabinet minister Clare Short has quit as a Labour Party MP to campaign for electoral reform and speak out against Tony Blair's "arrogant, error-prone" Government.
 
 
Ganesh
00:07 / 21.10.06
Years too late, Clare.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
20:29 / 23.10.06
That may well be [in] her obituary.
Shame really as she seemed like a genuine person, if a little naive. I can see why she was used to give Tony Blair's cabinet credibility with left wing MP's.

So, what is Tony Blair hanging on for?
New Labour are back at the top on the poles. Looks like by waiting around he's allowed David Cameron to discredit himself.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:31 / 24.10.06
Which is depressing because, much as I dislike the party, I don't think Cameron has done anything to 'discredit himself' so I wonder where this dip and/or the Labour rise comes from. Is it just to the hard work by Straw and Reid to keep their names in the press?
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
14:24 / 24.10.06
Yes, I think the Labour has lead has a lot to do with the right wing rhetoric from Reid and Straw. (I'm not sure is that Populism, in the sense multiculturalism is the discourse supposedly of the elite?)
Also I read in the papers that Cameron's Eton public school boy image isn't working with undecided, mainly women, voters. That and his attempt to connect with the *lower* classes, like with WebCameron.
 
 
Saturn's nod
14:34 / 24.10.06
Also I read in the papers that Cameron's Eton public school boy image isn't working with undecided, mainly women, voters.

Indeed. I'm holding out for a good answer to "what evidence is there that I can believe anything you say?" from any politician. Maybe I could ask that directly, of people who intend to stand as parliamentary candidates in the constituency where I am registered to vote. Hmm, whilst looking for how to find out when my MP holds surgeries, I found this helpful page of how to complain and change various things.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:38 / 27.05.07
Tony and John will give the police 'wartime' powers to stop and question whoever they want about whatever they want whenever they want, or face a £5000 fine before they leave office.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:34 / 12.06.07
Everytime I think he can no longer surprise and enrage me with the audacity of his mendacity...

For Blair to single out the Independent for criticism, when he and the rest of his government have been so adept at cosying up to and utisilising the mainstream (i.e. right-wing) newspapers, takes an astonishing amount of gall.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
11:38 / 12.06.07
But he insisted the deteriotrating coverage of political reporting in particular had "sapped the country's confidence and self-belief"

To be fair to the big T, at least he seems prepared to acknowledge that something has.

I like to think that whoever wrote that for him was dying of laughter, but I dare say he was flying solo on this mission.

Why won't he just kill himself?

It wouldn't have to happen live on television (for all that might be preferable); he could do it in the bathtub at Chequers, or wherever, he could do it on the sofa in Downing Street, like Thomas Chatterton in the famous painting, but one way or the other, he really ought to be dressed in nothing but a cheap Scary Clown t-shirt, with the words "I F***ed Up, Didn't I? I Totally F***ed Up!' written in blood across the places where his man breasts and beer gut are. The coroners would no doubt find 'Iraq' tattooed on his heart. And this most media-friendly of all politicians would almost certainly want a state funeral, so the general public would be invited in to stub out fags and throw beer, and generally go ASBO on the Blair remains. Of which after a couple of hours there'd be very little left.

Or perhaps that's a bit harsh. I suppose, though, that we can expect a lot more forceful statements about what's wrong with everyone else in the next few weeks, seeing as they'll be coming from an essentially C-list Prime Minister, who's now slowly waking up to the realisation that it's been ten years of pretty much unprecedented economic growth, and what has he done ... and is consequently, desperately, trying to cover his arse. Or secure his legacy, if you'd rather. An analogy might be a footballer who, having wandered about the pitch in a fairly aimless manner for eighty-odd minutes, starts trying to foul the other players in the last five, hoping that this'll get him off the hook with the fans. And the management. And posterity.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
11:38 / 12.06.07
It was at this point he criticised the Independent - saying it was "well-edited and lively" but adding "today it is avowedly a viewspaper not merely a newspaper".

That would be the classic right-wing "everyone's ideological except me and those who agree with me" line, then? The Daily Mail is merely common sense, The Independent is a "viewspaper".
 
 
sleazenation
18:14 / 12.06.07
Perhaps The Prime Minister has failed to get past the Indie's front page...
 
 
Feverfew
20:34 / 12.06.07
The only problem that I can reliably forecast is the incredible Boredom factor affecting voter apathy - in that Tony Blair as Bono is doing the running-around-the-'worldwide'-stage, shaking all the fan's hands, while Gordon's already taken the guitar off and gone backstage.

It feels like a time like this, a climactic event like a World Leader - or at least the leader of "My Country" stepping down - should be a big thing, somehow, an event which foments positive change and encourages new ways, much the way that Labour tried to with the whole "Things can only get better", "Cool Britannia" politics in response to the petering to a halt of the previous Conservative government.

Except, currently, we seem to be getting the ultimate Not With A Bang but with a Whimper instead. Gordon Brown may prove to be an adept and adroit Prime Minister - and I hope he does - but currently, it doesn't feel, on a purely personal level, like this government has any energy left to push it on, just when it needs a final burst to go out with flowers rather than booing.

Sorry, that's a heap of badly mixed metaphors.
 
 
sleazenation
20:40 / 12.06.07
Still, just two weeks to go now.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:05 / 13.06.07
I have tried to start a petition on the Number 10 website about this, though I have aimed it more at the 'Blair shouldn't be saying things like this when he's still technically the head of Government' angle in the hopes of getting it past the web-goblins. So I get to sit back feeling satisfied that I've tried to make a toothless empty gesture that will achieve nothing (I've also written to my MP along the same lines, so I've achieved nothing, twice!)
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:17 / 16.06.07
Faxed my MP about this and got a reply where he, rather foolishly, claimed that no newspaper was mentioned by name in the speech and that I 'read the speech in full, to understand the points the Prime Minister made'. I've taken no small pleasure in replying pointing out where Blair mentions the paper specifically and suggesting that I have already read the speech more carefully than him.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
09:55 / 16.06.07
we seem to be getting the ultimate Not With A Bang but with a Whimper instead. Gordon Brown may prove to be an adept and adroit Prime Minister - and I hope he does - but currently, it doesn't feel, on a purely personal level, like this government has any energy left to push it on

Are you kidding? This is absolutely incredible- here we are seeing a government with 10 years under their belt, not going into meltdown when the leader changes, no coup, no power struggle, one leader exiting in his own time frame and being replaced with no actual heavy internal argument by someone who has been tagged as his successor for the entire 10 years. No energy? That's an incredible feat and it must have taken a shitload of thought, planning and control. At the same time a public contest has been constructed within the party, sometimes it feels like reading an Angela Brazil story "Labour pulls it off!"
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:12 / 16.06.07
I've taken no small pleasure in replying pointing out where Blair mentions the paper specifically and suggesting that I have already read the speech more carefully than him.

PWN3D!!!

I do so hope you get another reply. That's great!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:17 / 16.06.07
The downside is that FaxYourMP or WritetoTheBuggers or whatever they are now doesn't appear to send you a copy of your letter any more, so I can't quote exactly what I said.
 
  

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