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Peter Murphy and Trent Reznor

 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:40 / 31.08.06
Okay, much as I love Saul Williams, who I'd never heard of before his NIN support slot, I can't help feeling a little short-changed when I read that NIN toured the States with Bauhaus and Peaches as supports.

The fruits of this (unfortunately not including Peaches, but maybe one day) are some tracks by Trent Reznor and Peter Murphy- there're a bunch on nin.com, as well as some which are Torrentable.

And they're ace. They do Warm Leatherette by The Normal, and Nightclubbing by Iggy Pop. They also do each other's songs. Trent singing Bela Lugois's Dead works surprisingly well- equally surprising is that Murphy singing Hurt doesn't. Largely because his voice is too strong- he sounds great, but it never feels vulnerable or fragile enough, and thus is robbed of a lot of its impact.

Sanity Assassin, however, rocks a snow leopard's ass. As does the duet on Reptile.

If you like either of these guys, I strongly recommend you check this shit out, cos it's certainly one of my dream billings.

Has anyone else heard these, and if so, what did you think?
 
 
Chiropteran
17:23 / 31.08.06
Sweet! My download card is full for the evening.

I've heard Trent's version of Bela, and I thought it was really pretty good - the tag on the mp3 I had said that TV On the Radio was in the mix somewhere as well? Does that sound right?

I'm looking forward to hearing Murphy's Hurt, actually - I wonder how Murphy's less-vulnerable approach might inform the text differently (e.g. as a confession of actual culpability rather than self-loathing, etc.).

Thanks for the tip!
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
17:44 / 31.08.06
I just spent five minutes stumbling around nin.com, and I can't find any downloads. Wauuugh!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:03 / 31.08.06
I think they just stream from the website, rather than actual downloads. (A naughtier person than I would recommend isohunt.com...)

Yeah, they do a TV On The Radio song, and I believe the other people involved are from that band- though I know nothing about them.

Just checked the website- the News page has stuff (including videos! crikey...) under "Current".
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:52 / 31.08.06
This is all very well, but Trent's career has been hounded into the darkness he so craves by this simple fact; that most of the people he was influenced by were a shower of clowns.

Let's face it, Peter Murphy wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, whereas Trent Reznor ... almost certainly would.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:42 / 01.09.06
None of that actually makes any form of sense, does it? Reznor's career hasn't been 'hounded' anywhere, let alone into any darkness. Murphy/Reznor's individual likelihood of putting out fires with their own urine is, well... I'm not even sure what you're trying to say, let alone whether you succceed. That Reznor cares about the putative 'you' while Murphy doesn't? What evidence do we have for this? What evidence do we have that Bauhaus, collectively or individually, are clowns at all, to say nothing of all of Reznor's other influences, who, despite not being named, are also apparently clowns?

Or is this more of your generic distaste towards anything remotely 'goth'? Ah. Now it makes more sense.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:26 / 01.09.06
Hi Hellbunny!

I agree that my above post doesn't really make sense, and for that, I apologise. I also apologise about everything else.

In a somewhat convoluted way, I suppose what I was basically trying to say is that I'm not sure about the initial premise, ie, that Pete Murphy and Trent Reznor belong in the same sentence together. And that to the extent that they do, it's a bit like comparing The Mission to The Birthday Party.

In each case, the former's something to feel lonely and back-combed to while disgracing oneself in the facilities, vomit on the combats, that sort of thing, but it ends there, whereas The Birthday Party and Nine Inch Nails are ultimately uplifting in their nihilism, because when all's said and done, they weren't, aren't, and never will be, y'know, dreadful.

You're right to assume though, Mr H, that I have a problem with goths - I do like to dress up in leather, and 'some of my best friends ...' and so on, but I'm essentially opposed to the movement. It's all so naff, I feel, even though I'm listening to Flesh For Lulu as I type.
 
 
Totem Polish
15:43 / 02.09.06
Nine Inch Nails are ultimately uplifting in their nihilism

Alex, agreed on the Birthday Party, but Bauhaus, really? Peter Murphy wasn't in Love and Rockets but the rest of them were. That's got to mean something in this cruel world!

And the only reason that Trent's any good is because Johnny Cash covered him and he produced the best Marilyn Manson records. So there.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:39 / 04.09.06
Hi Auntie!

You're right that a lot of goth stuff can definitely seem naff. Remember, though, that it's a current subculture that arose from a pop culture scene that was mostly created by the media (Melody Maker and NME) at the time, still desperately trying to be at the forefront of anything new so that they could recreate the heady days of punk again, when music journos were rock stars too. There's a reason all of the original generation of 'goth' bands never called themselves that, and still affect a pained look or get shitty when they're asked about it in interviews - as far as Eldritch, Smith, Sioux, Murphy et al are concerned, the label means nothing. The Sisters toured with the Birthday Party, The Cure were the experimental contemporaries to U2, the Banshees started out as the noisiest, artiest and most shambolic punk band in England, and Bauhaus... well, were kind of a diet Joy Division, as far as I can tell (never really liked them that much). It's the second generation who followed who ruined things for everyone... the bloody Nephilim, the Mission, etc, jumped on a scene bandwagon and drove it into the sea. Oh, sure, you'll find some old school goths in their mid to late thirties (hi, Stoatie!) bimbling on about how they weren't that bad really etc etc... no. No no. And any fan who had any sense of self-awareness found their tastes shifting as they grew older anyway. Even if they stayed alternative, it was less make-up, more piercings, or maybe more glam/burlesque, less cobweb/eye of horus. To paraphrase a great man (who was talking about communism) - if you're young and not a goth, there's probably something wrong with you. If you're older, and still a goth, there's definitely something wrong with you.

In other words - you're right about the naffness of gothness, but not all the bands and artists labelled as such deserve chucking out with the bathwater.

And Totem Polish is wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong. Trent Reznor rules, as do NIN. Probably not as much as he thinks he does, but he still rules.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:31 / 05.09.06
I think calling Bauhaus a "diet Joy division" is a little inaccurate- if anything, they were a cheaper Bowie. JD were all about the bleak- on record they were always very cold and clinical, like a Ballard novel. Bauhaus were all about the flamboyance and glam.

Much as I love both bands, I love them for very different reasons.
 
  
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