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JLA Reboot (OYL)

 
  

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Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
14:04 / 31.08.06
So in the 52 thread I mentioned the first issue of the newest version of the JLA.

The issue involves the big 3 (Supes, WW and Bats) deciding who they should invite into the new League.

The book reads a lot like an issue of 52 I think, with a handfull of plotlines linked only by the fact that the main characters are currently being nominated for entrance into the new JLA.

Points of interest and spoilers include:








Not a spoiler really, but Booster Gold is on the cover.

Mr Miracles evil twin Dr Impossible who uses silent transportation technology called "hush tubes" and a Father Box.

Red Tornado has his body rebuilt by Dr Magnus but chooses (as a spirit) not to enter it, instead entering a mindless body created by a villian with duplicating powers (shades of X3 there). The android body is stolen by the above new villain.

Vixen is picked for the team even though the big 3 would rather have Animal Man, but he is missing OYL and they mention visiting his familly.

Black Lightning is undercover pretending to work for Luthor so he can get a handle on the underworld.

Hal Jordan will be the JLA's Green Lantern, Arsenal might be the bow and arrow guy of the group, and Black Canary is in as well it seems.

Overall a pretty hefty issue, a lot of things are set up. Batman near the end is talking about how important Red Tornado's body is, even more so then his powers, right as it is stolen.

I think this could be an excellent run if it continues along these lines. The conversational tone of the Superman-Wonder Woman-Bat Man narration was quite good.

Has anyone else picked it up?
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:21 / 31.08.06
A much more enjoyable read than that issue #0, which set up that meeting between the big 3, and significantly brighter in tone that Id crisis...

I like what's been said by The Professor here.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:43 / 31.08.06
Doc Impossible and the Father Box, with their Hush Tubes (which go pok-pok-pok instead of BOOM) caught my eyes, and I really enjoyed the Metal Men appearance and the use of flashback to tell Tornado's history with Kathy. I thought the art was at best serviceable - it didn't make me retch, but I wasn't overly thrilled with it. I think on the whole that this Justice League has a ways to go to really inspire me, rather than being relegated to yet another JLA lineup in a steady state of flux.

I'd rather someone picked up Doctor Impossible and did a Big Barda/Mister Miracle series using him as an opponent. There needs to be more Barda in the world. And I'm enjoying Diana far more in Wonder Woman and wonder (heh) if Meltzer's paying attention to her continuity over in her own series, where she's supposed to be undercover and furthermore taking an emotional break from the WW colours.

It's nice to see Vixen have the chance to escape her Detroit days reputation.
 
 
Spaniel
19:02 / 31.08.06
So no-one thought the soap-operatics were more than a trifle overwrought, then?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:41 / 31.08.06
One builds up a resistence after a while, I think. I found the dynamic between Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman was a bit synthetic; even if they are friends, Meltzer didn't exactly make me believe it in this particular comic.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
20:01 / 31.08.06
I read them more as co workers, which worked for me since they weren't on the best of terms when we saw them OYA.
 
 
Spaniel
20:02 / 31.08.06
I dunno, Elijah, this comic is all about the super-friends, if you ask me.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
20:11 / 31.08.06
Wonder Twin Powers ACTIVATE!

Shape Of Refigerator!

Form Of Dead Girlfriend!

Yeah, that doesn't work. I really hope OYL isn't as 'heavy' as DC has been in recent years. If JLA is the Super Friends instead of an angst party it would make me happy.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
21:21 / 31.08.06
Speaking of Wonder Woman's continuity- Diana showed up in her Wonder Woman outfit in the last Manhunter issue, so I'm guessing Diana starts being WW again at the end of Alan Heinberg's run, hence her being WW in JLofA (unless Di's the Wonder Woman for the JL and Donna's the WW for the rest of the world- there's more than one Green Lantern out there right?). Also, Doctor Psycho is in Wonder Woman with upgraded psychic powers, but in a recent Manhunter he was lobotomised with a shiny electro-dagger.

Apart from the headspinning Wonder-Woman continuity stuff I dug JLofA. The art could have been better, especially since this is pretty much DC's flagship title, but it's a minor quibble. I like the idea of Arsenal being the team's Green Arrow, and hopefully so much more, especially since he's not in The Outsiders any more. I'm hoping Black Lightning is kept as the team's undercover guy as opposed to an active member, complete with all the requisite sweaty twitching, moral compromise and 'I'm on to something HUGE here' phonecalls from rain-soaked Gotham payphones in the dead of night that the job requires.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:49 / 01.09.06
So, is there a reason given for why they aren't going for the 'best of the best' of the Morrison years any more? Seems to be a few second-stringers in there now. Did Batman and Hal kiss and make up somewhere in IC?
 
 
Mario
11:49 / 01.09.06
Technically, this IS the "best of the best". It's just that the writer first started reading JLA in the satellite era, so to him, that's when it was at it's best.

It's sort of like asking someone who is their favorite James Bond. The one they saw first is often their choice.
 
 
gridley
12:51 / 01.09.06
I can't see why they considered it such a given that they need someone with animal powers (choosing Vixen, because Buddy wasn't available). To me that seems kind of like saying "Well, we're assembling the world's greastest heroes, so we're gonna need somebody with stretchy powers."
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:14 / 01.09.06
I'd imagine the logic was that they needed a tracker, and Vixen's enhanced senses and instincts would work well in that regard. Her power seems to be more versatile than Buddy's, actually, given she doesn't need to be in the presence of a particular animal to employ its characteristics. The narration in her scene in #1 implied some kind of "animal spirits all in her head" thing, I'm not sure if that's new though.
 
 
Jared Louderback
03:45 / 03.09.06
Why is it that there is always someone who is against putting Capt. Marvel on the team? I mean, (excluding fiddytoo I guess) it seems to me that the Cap is the only really, retardly powerful superman type that hasn't ever gone batfuck crazy, had evil clones, or... I dunno, flow around the world in reverse to turn back time.

I always thought he was more powerful than Superman anyway, what with the magic and all. Plus, LIGHTING BOLTS! I'd want him on my damn team, no questions asked.
 
 
rabideyemovement
04:07 / 03.09.06
Captain Marvel is still a kid at heart. Perhaps some believe the League is no place for a child, even if that child transforms into a mystically empowered adult.
 
 
Jared Louderback
04:39 / 03.09.06
He is a kid, true, but at this point isn't he a kid who has been kicking around with superpowered adults AND holding his own and doing a pretty good job for... shite, ten or so years now?


Really, I guess I can't be sure with this sliding timeline nonsense.
 
 
Spaniel
07:48 / 03.09.06
You guys are aware that we're talking about fictional characters, right?
 
 
gridley
02:36 / 05.09.06
You guys are aware that we're talking about fictional characters, right?

Maybe you are, but the rest of us are talking about Captain fucking Marvel.

Speaking of which, isn't the fact that he's a little kid still a well-kept secret from the other superheroes?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:44 / 05.09.06
Apparently from the JSA, certainly, which was why his brief relationship with Courtney got the kibosh, which is a bit sad to me - interesting story territory, though.

L-Ron didn't seem to know about it ICBINTJL, but that's not strictly in continuity anyway...

Superman knows. The Action Comics issue with the frog-goddess Heqt in it had Billy and Superman talking as if all was known, and Junior certainly was a little loose with the information...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:44 / 05.09.06
So Captain Marvel has taken over from Shazam but doesn't have to live in that cave in the sky as (I thought) Shazam did? I guess Billy has lucked out for once.
 
 
Mario
11:15 / 05.09.06
It's possible that Shazam could leave too, but was getting too old to do the hero thing. And THAT is why he chose an agent.
 
 
DaveBCooper
13:57 / 05.09.06
I quite enjoyed Issue 0, but issue 1 made me decide to give up picking up the title.

I think it’s pretty well written and competently drawn, but I wanted more to happen. It’s been two issues now of ‘who’s in?’ and I’m not actually that interested in seeing Meltzer lay out his stall, I’d rather have an actual story. Compare it with the first issue of Morrison’s run as writer, and that’s more like it.

Not helped by the fact that I don’t give a tinker’s cuss for the Red Tornado or Vixen, granted, but I was rather disappointed by this. I gave Identity Crisis a miss, is it fair to assume this is in the same vein? It all feels a bit overwrought in a way.
 
 
gridley
14:01 / 05.09.06
So Captain Marvel has taken over from Shazam but doesn't have to live in that cave in the sky as (I thought) Shazam did?

Yes and no. He has left the cave a few times, but almost every time he does, he mentions that he's got to get right back to it.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
14:43 / 05.09.06
I've read somewhere that Captain Marvel Jr is the new Captain Marvel, Billy Batson is the new Wizard Shazam... firing of an exec, everyone goes up a notch.

Glad to see that someone liked this issue, it was the tail end of my subscription and I am very happy to see it go.

Heroes looking at trading cards of team members in a cave... I do a lot of nerdy things, but even I haven't done that since High School. To then center the comic on third-string characters and diss Green Arrow while concentrating on Red Tornado (a character I do like but has he seen a significant moment since 1982?) finally being human... I just don't think of this as the way to relaunch a series.

I look at Grant's first JLA issue and the Kieth Giffen Justice League #1 and... this ain't either of them. It can definitely do something new, but... this is not doing it for me. And I really dig super heroes usually.
 
 
Spaniel
18:50 / 05.09.06
My last post reads snarkier than intended. I was just trying to point out that continuity - the fictional universe as is - is only ever so useful as a basis for predictions. It's no good going on about how Captain Marvel should be on the team for this reason or that reason if those reasons are based on elements of the fictional universe that can be easily ignored or sidestepped by a creator uninterested in putting him on the roster.
 
 
John Octave
17:24 / 15.12.06
So #4's just come out. I'm hooked; it's got my interest and I'm dying to know where it's going. But despite the fact that each issue's left me wanting the next one, I can never decide whether I actually liked the comic or not.

I like a lot of Meltzer's concepts in this book. I like anti-Mr. Miracle (whether he's the genuine article or not), Black Canary as this team's Wolverine, the novel notion that "Red Arrow" would be Hal's "successor." I even like the idea that while the Big 3 are trying to rationally assemble a new team, fate steps in and does it for them (although we could've kept that to one issue, yes?).

But the execution is terrible. Pacing is slow, the narration is annoying, and why is Hal doing that "Roy--uh, I mean--Arsenal!" thing? Twice in as many pages?

Basically, I wish Meltzer had typed up a three-page plot synopsis and concept guide, and then shipped it to Gail Simone to script.

Pity, though, nobody seems to be able to make Red Tornado interesting. He's got an incredible but underrated design.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
19:11 / 15.12.06
And um...when did Grundy become smart?

I'm like you in terms of reading this and wanting to know what happens next but can't decide if its good or not. Execution is horrible. This 4 parter should have been 1 issue, 2 issues tops.
 
 
rabideyemovement
20:41 / 15.12.06
Grundy has been shown to have intelligence several times in the past. I think he was even a hero briefly. It seems every time he dies, the reincarnation is a bit different from the previous one.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:26 / 15.12.06
hmmm I wonder if Grundy's intelligence was intentionally or coincidentally influenced by the conclusion of Se7en Soldier #1.

There's a sort of symmetry to Grundy's desire for no more reincarnations after a year of ZOR in there.

Beyond that... this run is more a curiosity then a true epic adventure.
 
 
Billuccho!
02:30 / 16.12.06
This is the comic equivalent of a show like Desperate Housewives or Grey's Anatomy-- it almost seemed decent at first and you can see why some people like it, but it's just poop.
 
 
rabideyemovement
02:52 / 16.12.06
Let's see... Grundy died recently in the Crisis, in 7 Soldiers, and in Secret 6 he was fed to Dr Psycho and Cheshire. He does alot of resurrecting...
So I'm assuming this storyline regarding 13 immortals will explain a bit of that. Hmm.. I wonder who all of these immortals are? If they're predisposed to resurrection, then how about Red Tornado? He's been slaughtered just as many times as Grundy lately.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:34 / 16.12.06
I've not been reading any of this but I presume there's been no functioning Justice League during 52? I rather feel that it should have gone like the pre-Morrison run and had the second-stringers running the show and then when the big three step back up they've got to earn their stripes again...
 
 
mightybroke
11:40 / 16.12.06
So ZOR is a part of the mix now, but does Grundy remember? Was Zor de-powered before one of the other Time Tailors zipped him up in his Cyrus Gold fiction suit?

Great stuff. DC's really been deserving every cent I spend on them as of late.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
15:35 / 16.12.06
You're supposed to put sarcasm in percent signs, like %The JLA Reboot is a fast-paced, tightly written superhero romp with not a single unnecessary panel, which I anticipate will definitely bring Seven Soldiers continuity into the mix, what with it being so accessible and all%.
 
 
John Octave
17:48 / 16.12.06
%I appreciate how Meltzer is making the characters more human and relatable by constantly referring to each other by their first names, and by namedropping DCU artifacts like Mento helmets and cosmic rods in a very mundane, blase fashion. It's just like how I interact with my co-workers and everyday office supplies. %%%%I very much enjoy being reminded of my job when reading Justice League comics.%%%%%
 
  

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