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05:25 / 15.08.06
I always wondered .. every god dam day

Just what prompted Humpty Dumpty to fall off the wall ?

Was it suicide ?

Did he just grow too big and lost balance ?

How the hell did he even get up there ?

And what happened after they couldnt put him back together again , is he frying in hells kitchen ?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:50 / 15.08.06
Didn't you hear? He was pushed by the homosexuals.
 
 
33
06:13 / 15.08.06
Didn't you hear? He was pushed by the homosexuals.

Was that before or after they made him wear " those clothes " ?
 
 
Mistoffelees
10:31 / 15.08.06
In Book 4 Crowley wrote some thoughts about Humpty Dumpty falling:


"Every nursery rime contains profound magical secrets which are open to every one who has made a study of the correspondences of the Holy Qabalah. To puzzle out an imaginary meaning for this "nonsense" sets one thinking of the Mysteries; one enters into deep contemplation of holy things and God Himself leads the soul to a real illumination. Hence also the necessity of Incarnation; the soul must descend into all falsity in order to attain All-Truth.

(...)

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall;
Humpty Dumpty got a great fall;
All the king's horses
And all the king's men
Couldn't set up Humpty Dumpty again.

This is so simple as hardly to require explanation. Humpty Dumpty is of course the Egg of Spirit, and the wall is the Abyss--his "fall" is therefore the descent of spirit into matter; and it is only too painfully familiar to us that all the king's horses and all his men cannot restore us to the height.

Only The King Himself can do that!

But one can hardly comment upon a theme which has been so fruitfully treated by Ludovicus Carolus, that most holy illuminated man of God. His masterly treatment of the identity of the three reciprocating paths of Daleth, Teth, and Pe, is one of the most wonderful passages in the Holy Qabalah. His resolution of what we take to be the bond of slavery into very love, the embroidered neckband of honour bestowed upon us by the King himself, is one of the most sublime passages in this class of literature."



I´m not so sure, that his ideas will help you though, since Crowley expected his readers to have studied a dozen subjects and have read 12² books before reading his essays.
 
 
Sniv
12:20 / 15.08.06
Humpty dumpty falling off the wall is what's known as a plot device. Without that, it's a boring story and you get no mental image of horses trying to glue a humanoid egg back together, so it's very necessary.

That said, the real mystery is what he was doing on the wall in the first place, the eggy twat.

Or something...
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
12:34 / 15.08.06
I reckon he was up there because he wanted to prove how much cooler he was than the other eggs; how hard, tough, and edgy he was. You know, to try and attract teh girls. Such a great fall. 'Twas bound to happen.
 
 
Triplets
12:41 / 15.08.06
The swine. If he really wanted to impress the girls he should've tried sending them food and money over the internet.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
12:44 / 15.08.06
You can send food over the internet? I knew I'd been going wrong somewhere.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
13:02 / 15.08.06
Triplets, you got me thinking how cool that would be. Kind of like a replicator/teleporter device. My Mum would love that; she thinks I never eat (which ain't far from the truth). I can imagine it now, the CD tray popping open suddenly with a piping hot soufflé ready to consume, and a note from my Mum on top telling me it's hot and that I should be careful.

All this talk of eggs is making me hungry...
 
 
grant
13:10 / 15.08.06
Did he come before the chicken?
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
13:14 / 15.08.06
[insert Homer Simpon's voice] Hmm... Jerk Chicken...

------------------------------------

Mod' edt: Fuck- a-doodle-do! I just realised how the above might be taken as stab at Caribbean food, which couldn't be further from the truth. Honestly, I'd do almost anything for some fried plantain right now... Hmmm... Anybody fancy sending me some over the internet?...

*stares at CD tray, expectantly, and drums fingers on desk*
 
 
Mourne Kransky
14:41 / 15.08.06
Humpty was drunk. Wouldn't have been on the wall otherwise, wouldn't have rolled off. Numpty Dumpty.

Unfortunately, All The King's Men were the worse for wear too. All The King's Horses were perfectly sober but hooves suck at fiddly jobs like egg assembly.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:49 / 15.08.06
It really was a great fall, though. There's got to be some consolation in that.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
15:09 / 15.08.06
In the Alice book, which is where we all really know the character from, and is hence Humpty canon, he falls because of his pride.
 
 
Aertho
15:17 / 15.08.06
I've often heard that AiW characters are all political and social analogies. What did Humpty represent?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
15:26 / 15.08.06
Personally I think trying to map those books and their characters onto real-world individuals is a reductive game, beyond certain cases like the Duck (Duckworth), Dodo (Dodgson), Lory (Lorina) and other really obvious examples. People who try to show that Bill the Lizard = Benjamin Disraeli (and such... "people" exist) are on a hiding to nothing in my opinion.

However, Humpty is supposed by one author to be "George Hudson, the Railway King". Nonsense I think.

BTW and NB! Humpty is from "TTLG" not "AIW"!
 
 
Aertho
15:29 / 15.08.06
Oh. I figured the characters meant things, and not people. Like "The Church of England" and "The Aristocracy" and "Sheep Herding Business".

Specific people is cool too I guess.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
15:58 / 15.08.06
As far as I can remember, there isn't anything to suggest Carroll meant the characters to represent social "ideas" ~ but there is lots and lots of evidence to suggest other people since have read that kind of symbolism into the text.

Illustrator J. Tenniel may also have added some political commentary, as a Punch cartoonist who did draw exactly that kind of picture where an old lady stands for Albion, and so on. But even this is open to debate.

I'm sure I'm starting to bore the fun thread to death with my Victorian pedantry though!
 
 
miss wonderstarr
16:11 / 15.08.06
A Better Answer:

He stood for the British Egg Marketing Board or the Oxford Intellectual ... there's glory for you. The "wall" = the white cliffs of Dover. In the corner of Tenniel's picture is a Foxglove with the face of William Gladstone, in anagram.
 
 
lekvar
17:43 / 15.08.06
The tale of Humpty's fall is an allegory for the fall of Man from a state of Divine Grace. I thought everybody knew that.
 
 
Mistoffelees
19:01 / 15.08.06
Hui! Who would have thought that there has been put in so much thought about Humpty Dumpty:

That Humpty Dumpty is an egg is not actually stated in the rhyme. In its first printed form, in 1810, it is a riddle...

Neil Gaiman published in KNAVE, in 1984 a short story called 'The Case of the Four and Twenty Blackbirds', which casts Humpty as... [bleagh, Gaiman, pfui, now where was that bashing thread again?]

Humpty Dumpty also appears in James Joyce's Finnegans Wake as a symbol of the fall of all men. [Aha! Just what Crowley said. So why isn´t he mentioned in the wiki article, and Gaiman is? Oh the humanity!]

...Humpty Dumpty was a powerful cannon during the English Civil War. It was mounted on top of the St Mary's at the Wall Church in Colchester defending the city against siege in the summer of 1648. Although Colchester was a Royalist stronghold, it besieged by the Roundheads for 11 weeks before finally falling. The church tower was hit by enemy cannon fire and the top of the tower was blown off, sending "Humpty" tumbling to the ground...

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and some links...
 
 
miss wonderstarr
19:04 / 15.08.06
I wonder if it was Tenniel who first drew him as an egg. The sort of thing I would have known for sure a few years ago.
 
 
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19:04 / 15.08.06
Oh, I knew Mots d'heures gousses rames would come in useful some day.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:08 / 16.08.06
Can you imagine Gaiman's story about Humpty Dumpty. What darkly whimsical delights.

"Stories are like eggs", it opens, in gorgeous calligraphy over a collage by award-winning Dave McKean. "You peel them open, and sometimes..."

"A NEW LIFE pops out."

Humpty is, in a twist from the gloriously wicked mind of Neil, a fat businessman who owns a tenement in The Village, NYC! The tenement is crowded with colorful, kind of "off-beat" characters. Over 24 monthly episodes, each with a dustcover by Dave (published in The Art of Four and 20 Blackbirds), you will get to know and love them all. We promise! ("signed, Karen Berger x". The last bit was in wonderful calligraphy, by Dave.)

On the top floor lives Missy Muffet, who designs dresses for dolls! And just so happens... to be a Lesbian. Shocked? Get used to it! It's Neil's world, and it happens in the real world too. Missy has been abused by an ex-lover, and her Father. We'll learn that through her dreams, which Neil writes and Dave will illustrate in beautiful but sad black and white inks.

Next, it's David and his big bear of a German lover, Wolf. Yes, they're both men... and? Get used to it! In Neil's whimsical world, people love whoever they like. (Some of us wish the so-called real world would be so generous... love, Karen x) You'll grow to adore Wolf and David, with their bitchy spats. It's like Jack from TV's "Will & Grace", meets Wulf Sternhammer from cult Brit underground comix, "Strontium Dog"... with the lashings of telling, so-real wit only Neil can provide. In episode 12, David buys a red hat and we discover Wolf isn't what he seems... I'm saying nothing, but it has something to do with a well-loved fairytale, passed through the astonishing imagination of Neil. Keep guessing! There'll be a prize for the letter that comes closest to discovering Neil's amazing twist ~ a collectable "Wulf" porcelain figure, hand-painted by someone in Dave's factory, and signed by that person, also.

In the basement lives a quizzical little girl named "Alice" with a darkly whimsical secret: when she talks, Dave really pulls out the stops with the calligraphy. Each individual letter is hand-crafted in a different color, with letters turned on their side, even upside-down to convey the wonderfully weird way Alice speaks! Some may find it challenging to read, but this isn't your usual comic book... and we know you wouldn't expect one, from multiple award-winner Neil.

Episodes 1-3 introduce Alice, and ask who is the darkly mysterious landlord who lives in the attic? (It's Humpty. Don't write in.) Neil deftly weaves in the tale of the Egyptian God Thoth, drawing occasional parallels with what's going on in the "real" world. Each issue comes with an epigram and closing quotation, both drawn from Literature, and four slightly different covers by Dave, which could perhaps lead you to discover a Golden Rabbit hidden somewhere in England, if you study the differences hard enough! (So what's to stop you buying them all?)

Episodes 4-10 explore the rest of this wonderfully funky household, leading up to the future award-winning single-issue tale of Wolf's real self, "Under the Fur". Watch out for #9, which departs from the house to relate the story of African "griot", or tale-teller, N'kame... a stand-alone fable that has intriguingly faint echoes of what's going on in Humpty's House! (Look out for the frame showing the landowner, H'umpti... you may find it familiar). Some readers may find it gives them insights into the main story, but it can be read on its own, or alongside #16, which takes us to the court of Christina Rosetti's Goblin King, for another amazing fairy-tale penned by Neil that features Monsieur Umptee, another version of a mystery character from an earlier era!

Episode 24 wraps up the whole wonderful series as the identity of the good-looking, leather-jacketed, mirror-shade wearing "Tale-Teller" (from the prologs of episodes 3, 9, 13) is revealed... no clues here but any lover of anagrams can get puzzling on this conundrum: "LEIN AIGMAN".

Special appearance in #23 by Tori Amos. Collect the ten figurines of Tori and her Dream King, each modelled on sketches by one of Neil's favorite artists, in December 2007. Prestige edition with stand and numbered box, £599.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:13 / 16.08.06
wonderstarr, you're DAMN GOOD at this shit.
 
 
Dead Megatron
21:24 / 16.08.06
Ok, you just ruined Neil Gaiman for good for me now, damn it!
 
 
Ganesh
21:26 / 16.08.06
Wonderstarr, you are gorgeous, and fully deserve the 80s Leather Blouson of Darquely Whimsical Pasticherie.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
21:50 / 16.08.06
(claps hands delightedly) Do Warren Ellis next! Do Warren Ellis next!
 
 
Char Aina
22:00 / 16.08.06
oh, dude.
do them all.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
22:09 / 16.08.06
Sorry I think Morrison would be the only other person in my "repertoire". Apart from mid-80s Moore I suppose. I am glad people enjoyed my scornful tribute though.
 
 
The Falcon
22:13 / 16.08.06
Well, do their versions of Humpty then. Surely you can manage Frank Miller also?

It will be great.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:28 / 16.08.06
I'm kind of impressed that there are people for whom Gaiman has yet to ruin himself, but, y'know...

Nah, that was wicked. I still think you do Lee Child best, though.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
23:27 / 16.08.06
Maybe I should do Lee Child Humpty sometime. But don't get your hopes up, I have probably burned out.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
23:54 / 16.08.06
I'd imagine that HUMPTY: HARD BOILED would pretty much cover the Frank Miller interpretation, surely?

I'm going to hide, now.
 
 
Mistoffelees
00:06 / 17.08.06
HD by John Byrne?

I´d prefer a HD comic by Jim Woodring though.
 
  

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