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The L-Word Season 3, Living TV UK (no spoilers)

 
 
Cat Chant
16:24 / 12.08.06
The fourth episode will be on tonight, and still no thread, so I decided I'd better start one...

So far the main thing seems to be the introduction of money/class issues, which is terribly exciting, and culminated in the gorgeously-observed dinner last week ('Lobster), with Moira's $14 salad sculpture and Bette's credit card being declined. Lots of good butch issues, as well, excitingly intersecting with money and class (Bette's desire to be a breadwinner, the gang's slightly patronizing insistence that Moira only identifies as butch because she's from the provinces and 'doesn't have any other way to define herself'). I'm enjoying it more than ever, and expecting to go on doing so.


In other news:

(1) Shane innafrock!! Does anyone have screencaps?

(2) I was completely wrong about Carmen and apologize unreservedly. She's lovely.

(3) I adore Alice (now with added crazy!)

(4) Oh, and hey! Ariel Schrag is now writing for the L-Word! I'm so excited by knowing that. I have huge fondness for (though some ambivalence about) her comics.

Rules for this thread: only one, really. Please stick to discussing the episodes which have aired so far in the UK. I'd love to hear from people who've already seen the whole series, though (hello, Mister Disco!), so for your reference this page gives full summaries of each week's episode soon after it's aired.

Here is the thread for Season 2, btw.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
16:29 / 12.08.06
Alan Cumming in eye make-up.

Kali in full-on drool mode.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
13:49 / 14.08.06
Yeah, I really loved that scene in the restaurant. The writers use Moira to prick the illusion of TV dykedom as some glamorous designer lifestyle, and did so in a really good way. (And also managed to make the characters look like prissy assholes, momentarily: beautiful.) A point, I fear, lost on the majority of US viewers: after that episode, nearly all the L Word fansite forums were full of Moira hate. And they continued hating Moira til the end of the season, I hear. Oh well. Watch for more controversial dealing with transness...

Also, the whole Bette/Tina adoption social worker episode is interesting. Although, frankly, I thought the social worker was just a little over the top. It would have been more believeable if she'd been subtly homophobic rather than that freaky speech about the baby experiencing the 'roughness of a man's beard' in the first couple of eps.

I felt, however, that the first episode skipped over a lot of important narrative in its effort to start afresh. Like, where did rapey video housemate go? (Mark?)

Is it the fourth or fifth episode where Bette and Tina get their 'Manny'? What a sweetheart! He's so like the 'good man' character this season. With some fuck-ups, but generally lovely.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:42 / 14.08.06
Kali, wrong fucking thread.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
20:25 / 14.08.06
Sorry, couldn't resist. Everything I know about The L Word, sadly, is spoilerific.
 
 
Spaniel
20:32 / 14.08.06
I really, really, really think you should resist in future, because, you know, you actually can.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
20:47 / 14.08.06
Pardonnez-moi.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
23:08 / 15.08.06
"Hi, I'm Russell Simmons! I'm here to make all previous celebrity cameos look like they arose naturally out of the story!"

I don't strongly dislike Carmen, and never have, but she makes me feel boxed-in and commitment-phobic, and I'm not actually in a relationship with her; plus she is still one of the least convincing DJs on television, which is pretty strange given how good this show is about what music it includes. Seriously: if you "make a mix" for someone, and then put it on at a party, then the mix has already been made, right? So you do NOT need to stand behind the decks PRETENDING TO DJ STILL. Even I know that. I mean, she could be fiddling with levels or whatever but I doubt it.

Poor Bette, she could do with catching a break, but would she ever accept it or does she need to carry on as the world's greatest martyr... Just go into politics and shag Dana Delaney, in either order, dude.

I like to think that Stalky Mark is "hanging" with Marina in Europe.
 
 
Cat Chant
09:44 / 16.08.06
Poor Bette

OMG there is no poor Bette. Il n'y a pas de poor-Bette. That bit where she rang Tina to say she was thinking about sleeping with Dana Delaney? So that she could screw with Tina's head as much as if she'd actually fucked Dana Delaney, but simultaneously claim to be holding onto the moral high ground?

Interesting that you still feel claustrophobic around Carmen, Flyboy. She seems to be straightforwardly good for Shane, now, so I've revised my opinion about her being a terrifying stalker* - and actually, speaking of Bette, Tangent pointed out yesterday that they slipped in, really subtly (it took us a few days to notice) a nice little compare-and-contrast between Bette/Tina and Carmen/Shane, who both had fights over their conflicting career-related schedules on the same night - but Bette fucked it up spectacularly, and Carmen/Shane resolved it very happily. Nice!

Actually, Bette is the least convincing middle manager ever (why would you hire someone with NO PEOPLE SKILLS to be your fund-raiser/pitch-maker?) so there's another parallel with Carmen, as the least convincing DJ ever.

*That was based on last season, where she appeared to be going omg we are meant for each other why won't you open up to me??? on the basis of a couple of casual fucks with Shane, which was pretty scary. At the time Mr Disco pointed out that the L-Word seems to have a lot of stuff happening offscreen, so we're always only making partial judgements: the more I see of it, the more I really like that way of storytelling. It means the characters are unpredictable and inconsistent, like real people, so you get to know them in the same sort of way you get to know people in real life: not building up one consistent picture, but different in different contexts. It's like with Alice having completely lost it: I wouldn't have predicted it, from the way she'd behaved in S1 and S2, but it feels right somehow. So... it's funny, because I'm usually quite fannish about characters: I can get quite invested in seeing them a certain way, and become very annoyed when the show's makers change them in ways which annul my emotional investment in them, but here I'm just quite happy to go 'Oh, okay, I was wrong about Carmen'. All my judgements feel provisional and endlessly open to revision, and I like that; I also think it's very clever to actually structure that into the texture of a soap, as I think they have.

Am I the only person who's excited about Ariel Schrag being on the writing staff, btw? And if so, had I better start an Ariel Schrag thread in Comics?

Oh, so much more to say, but I'd better stop there (except for a brief squee about the manny - Angus? - who is indeed lovely, and has just made a gloriously intergenerational pass at Kit!! Yayy!!! Also, looking forward to seeing how the Moira/Max strand develops.) Glad this thread has kicked off now.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:18 / 16.08.06
I can't disagree with any of that stuff about Bette. She fucked it up royally for herself and everyone else involved, once again, because her life has to be this endless trial, and nobody understands how stressful and difficult this all is for her, out in the real world, slaving away, GOD THE RESPONSIBILITY, okay??!11?, or at least that's what she'd say, if you told her to CHILL THE HELL OUT about it all. Which someone should. When I say "Poor Bette" it is not so much out of sympathy as out of a terrible sense of recognition.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:18 / 19.08.06
The fifth episode of this season is definitely my favourite so far, so much was packed in but it really felt paced.

The problems with Tina and Bette's relationship are brought to the forefront and really balanced out. What has so typically seemed one sided is now a recognisable problem between two people and I like that because it seems to give it room to manouvre in any direction that the writer's choose.

I dislike the Shane-Carmen relationship because Shane has always struck me as someone who knows when to be wise and when to step back from a problem. The inability to do this with Carmen seems unhealthy to me... the clean flat issues are treated with a gravity that has made me nervous about Shane losing her personality to the relationship so on one level yay Cherie and on another nay Cherie. Carmen and Shane doesn't make me feel claustrophobic at all but it doesn't sit right, there's something that's weirdly lacking in joy about them.

Jenny didn't annoy me once this episode (huzzah) and I like Moira, I really like Moira and she's making me like Jenny more. Alice is funny again, I like the way Helena is becoming more humorous despite being as awfully monied as always and Dana...

oh Dana. Forgive me for this but

Etc...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
00:09 / 20.08.06
Yeah, this episode is where everything seems to be kicking off all at once, and I really like it when shows are structured like that.

One thing I really noticed is how good Katherine Moennig is at playing it low-key when her character isn't getting a particularly big storyline, and then blowing you away when it's time for Shane to be centre stage. There seems to be a very ungenerous kind of acting going on there, which enables the writers to work well with her place in the dynamic of the show, i.e. she is "the Logan" (ask me some other time about ensemble dynamics, but yes I am totally thinking of Veronica Mars as well as teh geeky comix).

The Dana storyline is hitting me with intimations of mortality even harder than Six Feet Under did.

Weird though, that they should put all these Alice/Dana juxtapositions in there: weird to have one of the funniest, hottest scenes ever involving Alice right next to the really upsetting love scene with Dana crying; weird to have the episode that Alice finally starts moving on be the same one in which Dana finds out she has cancer; weird to have all that vampire stuff in there for laughs when there's also an obvious mortality/immortality thing going on, made explicit when Helena says out loud that vampires don't get sick... I don't know what to make of it.

And speaking of odd juxtapositions, is this the first time we've seen Shane packing or using a strap-on? It's crazy, but it's almost as if there's some karma going on in terms of Carmen's treatment of Moira/Max (who's still using both names at this point, right? - I figure I'll switch when ze does)...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:11 / 22.08.06
I forgot to add that I totally love Alice having these sort of Jessica Stevenson-esque wacky unlucky/lucky dating adventures.

Also, I am bumping this thread to get other people to post to it. Disco?
 
 
Cat Chant
12:24 / 24.09.06
::cries::
 
 
Alex's Grandma
00:34 / 25.09.06
I don't know ... I've felt like the remote control's been a good friend all though this season. The virtues of the last series (mainly, a sort of hard-edged comic sensibility that refused to make a big deal about anything, however rough, Shane being the moral centre of the show, etc) looks to have been replaced this time round by a more *issues*-based approach - the fairly mawkish, sub-'Magnolia' send-off at the end of this week's episode, which recalled nothing so much as the dog days of 'thirtysomething,' in terms of how it dragged on the heart strings, didn't seem to be much of an exception. 'You Are My Sunshine,' indeed. Ok, I stand accused of having the soul of a pig, but at this stage, only Peabody seems remotely sympathetic as a character.
 
  
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