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Triplets
16:25 / 03.08.06
Lovelies.

I've been meaning to start a thread like this for a few weeks. I've posted and lurked on a lot of boards over the last few years and still do, on a couple, but it keeps occuring, by way of contrasts, that I like Barbelith much more than any other board.

The reason, and there are many others, is the unwritten rule here that when you have something to bring up or discuss you find an existing thread - if there is one and it's relevant - then post to that instead of creating one from raw firmament.

For the last few years I've lurked occasionally on an rpg forum. What's pissing me off lately is that the same 50 topics keep coming up in new threads every week. Every single week. The same points get made, the same arguments start, the same insults get thrown about. By the same people. Every week. This wouldn't be so bad if I couldn't remember that it was exactly that way when I joined the board 3 years ago. It's horrible. Broken record sapiens.

So what I like about ze Barb is that discussion, when it can, is consolidated in the most relevant place. Points get made, left, then referred back to when it comes up again so any dizzcussion can move along. Well, ideally.

So, what do you like about the Blith? If we could genetically modfy up some forum's, what Barbegenes would you splice across?
 
 
Quantum
17:16 / 03.08.06
Haven't we already got a thread on this? :-D
 
 
Char Aina
17:26 / 03.08.06
i like the porn the best.
i only really read it for the porn.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
17:31 / 03.08.06
Don't you mean "pwn"?
 
 
Triplets
17:49 / 03.08.06
I only read it for the corn. Like Quantum's jokes.
 
 
grant
18:57 / 03.08.06
What I like best is a slightly related thing -- I like that topic titles reflect (more or less) what's being said inside.

I love some of the discussions I've seen on some religious boards but I can rarely find them without doing a lot of digging because they're under headings like "A Question for y'all" and "Help me..." and "Something for User X."
 
 
Triplets
19:02 / 03.08.06
Just like to say it's like Barbelith is sediment/fossil layers. Stuff gets packed upon stuff and becomes richer for it. Other boards are like sand on a beach, nice but flitty.

Another reason why it's important to keep stuff on topic here, there's a bigger chance for a body of accumulated discussion/knowledge to be shit on where as elsewhere it doesn't really matter if "LOL CHECK OUT LEEKSPIN.COM" gets threadrotty or not.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
19:12 / 03.08.06
Personally, I like the fact that nobody on this board believes that Digimon are real

Although, I don't check the Temple that often, so maybe there are a few of you out there...
SomethingAwful.com's Weekend Web is a constant (rarely worksafe) reminder that I'm pretty lucky to be here.
 
 
lekvar
19:26 / 03.08.06
I like that Barbelith is simple, elegant, functional and easy on the eyes. Look at the pic above, then observe the stark beauty that is Barbelith. That pic above, and indeed most other boards, make me want to claw my eyes out. The gadawful banners... the animated avatars... whole paragraphs of garbage tacked onto the end of every post, it's like digging through sewage to find a diamond, except the diamond isn't actually there.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
19:46 / 03.08.06
No avatars, no sigs. Fantastic.
 
 
sorenson
21:22 / 03.08.06
No avatars, no sigs. Fantastic.

This is going to make me sound like a luddite (or a grumpy old woman), but as well as the lack of silly animated avatars and long self-aggrandising sigs, I love that Barbelith posters write using beautiful, whole English words and sentences (rather than "txtish") unless there is a good reason to do otherwise. I love words...

Related to avatars and sigs, I also love the absence of tickers, trite replies, and 'I got here first' type posts.

(And if you all think rpg and pop culture type message boards are bad, you should check out some infertility/parenting boards - it's enough to make you cry.)
 
 
Ender
22:38 / 03.08.06
Thank god for the Barb.

I didnt realize how indepth this board gets. I started checking out the temple and switchboard and find that I rarely post here in discusion at all anymore.

This board has given me a lot to think about, and lurking here has opened my eyes to the whiley ways of polititions and the likes.

Anyway, long live Barbelith, hell I think that I might even start donating $5 a month to the cause.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
21:38 / 04.08.06
Few signatures. Definite plus. Little juvenile spacewasting altogether. Good head wrestling though.
 
 
Dead Megatron
22:12 / 04.08.06
Well, other than what's already been pointed out here, I love the design. Colorful, and yet so simple. It's way above any other board I've seen (which all look pretty much the same).

And it's big. Lots of space for all kinds of conversations, devided in well organized Fora.

I also really love the people I've met here. (Even those who do not like me back) Inteligent, witty, wise, and funny, they are.

And, man!, the name is cool.
 
 
EmberLeo
22:12 / 04.08.06
Well, so far I'm liking the tendancy towards decent writing skills. I admit, I actually like having a small avatar, but I'll gladly leave 'em behind to avoid animated images.

But to me a board tends to be about the people, not the technology and formatting.

--Ember--
 
 
toughest, fastest, fatest
23:18 / 04.08.06
Maybe I don't post here enough to judge but I think Barbelith is one of the best boards around for reading, certainly the temple which is the only decent forum for occult discussion I have seen on the web. I don't post much (and that's fine) because I like to take the piss a bit and have a laugh, but then I have www.meanwhileatthebar.org for that.

I definately agree that the design here is one of it's strengths as is the way that threads build up rather than them dropping off the page and then new ones being started on the same subject a month later.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
00:06 / 05.08.06
Meh. I quite like the use of avatars on other boards, if they're kept to a decent minimum size. Barbelith wastes just as much space with the prev. lines.

I also think Barbelith would be a whole lot more enjoyable if we did have the odd post or thread like the one you're feeling all superior about, Phex.

There's something really ugly and distasteful about ripping on people elsewhere in that fashion.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
01:53 / 05.08.06
Well, we do have threads like that, on occasion, primarily in the Temple. People don't tend to structure their beliefs in terms of Digimon, but the themes - reincarnation, karma, like that - are certainly alive on Barbelith. Also, Transformers.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
08:55 / 05.08.06
My main, but not exclusive experience of other fora is The Moon Online. On that basis, I would suggest Barbelith's pluses and minuses thus:

+ : clear, stylish design

- : lack of search function and "active posts"

+ : thought, care in posting

- : lack of spontaneity, a certain kind of riffing comedy

+ : sensitivity, respect

- : lack of irreverence

+ : thoroughly-policed

- : lack of lots of entertaining spats
 
 
miss wonderstarr
08:58 / 05.08.06
+ : size and scale

- : lack of tight community (though this sense of an incestuous village on other fora can also be a minus)
 
 
illmatic
10:07 / 05.08.06
I agree that lack of a decent search function or ability to track users posts is a bummer, but to a degree Google covers this.

Glad to see some people are reading The Temple, which is particulary lively at the mo.

Though a definte minus, compared to the other fora I read - a lack of effective reality based self defense discussion. We're very short on nose ripping and face bars, people.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:46 / 05.08.06
Lost your armoury forum password again, Haystacks?
 
 
illmatic
10:51 / 05.08.06
RRRAHHHAAAARRR

*Feints high, dives low in double leg shoot, straight at Stoatie. Stoatie sidesteps. Haystacks lies on floor and is vicously nipped by Sheena*
 
 
The Falcon
14:27 / 05.08.06
I think the lack of 'tight community' is pretty subjective, miss w; I know bb's are generally conceived as 'weak-tie social bonding' or words to that effect, but I'd say I feel pretty close to 5-10 other users here after four years at it, some of whom I've met, some not.

Thing that's being a big sad minus for me of recent is the effective abandonment of the once-burgeoning Comics forum, which means I have to seek my beloved comics chat elsewhere, but it's just not the same. I know Boboss, for example, has a child to care for and a hard-working family, but what about me? What about comics, eh?

I like this topic, though.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
14:49 / 05.08.06
I think the lack of 'tight community' is pretty subjective, miss w; I know bb's are generally conceived as 'weak-tie social bonding' or words to that effect, but I'd say I feel pretty close to 5-10 other users here after four years at it, some of whom I've met, some not.

Yes, I was comparing Barbelith's several sub-fora and high population to smaller sites where after four years or so, almost everyone has met and knows each other in real life. This does have severe disadvantages ~ gossip-mongering, real-life loyalties and feuds informing every thread, snide reference to people's personal lives where it isn't really relevant, and on the other hand, an unwillingness to speak your mind because you've met the other person and s/he seems nice enough, and you don't want to hurt their feelings.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
16:38 / 05.08.06
after four years or so, almost everyone has met and knows each other in real life.

Really!? That's a normal thing?

I always thought an unusual number of people here had met each other in real life as compared to your typical message board. That being said, the lot of you are the only message boarders I would ever invite over for cocktails and a futon to sleep them off on. You're welcome anytime, Barbelith. Love ya.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
16:43 / 05.08.06
It is (I believe) true of the board I mentioned above. On another board I frequent, I'd imagine half to two-thirds of the people have now met, after 18 months. It's a consequence of a smaller community, I think.
 
 
ibis the being
17:11 / 05.08.06
The only other board I spend a lot of time on is a dog-related board. Avatars, sigs, and fluffy posts galore. But I think that it's inaccurate to assume that kind of board (with the bells & whistles and occasional txtish) does not get into in-depth, intellectually challenging discussions. For me one of the negative qualities of Barbelith is that self-censorship, while it sometimes elevates the level of conversation, at other times can be stultifying. Often, on the dog board, some of the most interesting discussions arise out of the most innocuous beginnings, because there is a kind of collective stream of consciousness that happens when people aren't trying so hard to not seem stupid or not post something boring or trite.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:29 / 05.08.06
See that Digimon forum? I stumble across magic fora with posts like that all the time. "Well there's an infinine number of different universes okay so I WAS Aerie off Balder's Gate in a past life I was and I've got wings!"

Meanwhile, we have the Temple.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:43 / 05.08.06
Other than TMO, which I read sometimes and post to whenever I remember my password, and the Digital Spy Big Brother forum (which I shall, fo obvious reasons, only be involved with for a few more weeks), the only other boards I frequent (by frequent, I mean "read"- one I'd be banned from within seconds and the other is invitation-only) are John Byrne and Jim Goad's boards. One is filled with erudite, clever, witty people who I would never want to hang out with, and the other is John Byrne's forum (and no, that's not a joke. That's literally the right way round). This is usually just to pass the time at work, however.

BUT- and here comes the point- every time I read any of those, I realise exactly why I love Barbelith. Byrne's? WAY too censorious. Goad's? WAY too full of hatespeech. TMO? Everyone's mates, and I don't know any of them. DS? Don't get me started. Somewhere between these would be great.

Oh, hang on.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
15:02 / 07.08.06
Outside of Barbelith I don't have much experience of other boards, so my following comments are based on my imaginings of an ideal board, and not comparing Barbelith to anywhere else. Please note, I do really like Barbelith, on the whole, and my comments are meant in good faith.


One problem I have with Barbelith is that it doesn't always appear transparent and accountable with its moderation. e.g. if you have a moderation request denied, you're not given a reason for this.

Similarly, it is notable, for example, that often thread summary's are provided or changed by members who didn't start the thread (for whatever reason), but there is little if no indication to (e.g) non-moderators and the rest of the interweb that this has happened (i.e. one has to rely on one's memory).

Now, I know often there will be a post in the "moderators request thread" discussing such a summary change, but sometimes there isn't even that and (to be honest) I don't think such brief discussions equate to proper transparency, as someone coming to a thread with fresh eyes and with no knowledge of the moderation request thread is therefore not likely to know that a summary has been changed.

For example, regarding Dragon's "illegal immigration" thread summary, in the "moderation request thread" I asked for this to be changed. Haus then tried to put a change through, but (for no apparent reason) the change was vetoed. Why? I still have no idea, although it has since gone through, mainly due to the perseverance of Flyboy.

However, more importantly for me, during this "can we change the thread summary" discussion I posted the following:

In regards to changing the Dragon's intent, could we put "(moderated)" after the new summary, and maybe even insert a similar tag along with the original summary in Dragon's first post? This way, there are at least clues that this summary has been changed and that there was a reason for it (maybe even put a link to my initial post in this thread for further explanation?)

Indeed, although there was some concern over the potential ugliness of such markers, I still think Barbelith would benefit from having some kind of visual indication that posts and thread summaries have been changed; perhaps (for posts) in the left hand margin just below the original time and date of the original post? We could also employ a symbol for thread summaries that have been edited (e.g. [M] ) and add a note in the wiki to explain what this symbol means.

I also think that if one's request is vetoed one should be informed of who vetoed it and why they vetoed it, especially seeing as we (rightly) have to provide a reason for why we are requesting moderation in the first place.

Hope all that makes sense.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:20 / 07.08.06
Perfect sense - we actually used to have such a thing on the old board, at least for posts, where it would get a little thing marked "edited by (name) at (time)". I think one of the reasons this wasn't carried forwards was that it was felt that distributed modding should make who proposed the change irrelevant, and also because there was a fear at the time that moderators who proposed certain actions would then be pursued and harrassed. I don't think it would kill us to note when titles or abstracts are changed, personally - although it would threaten the pimpernellesque beauty of the sudden transition to a perfect rhyming summary.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
15:28 / 07.08.06
I think one of the reasons this wasn't carried forwards was that it was felt that distributed modding should make who proposed the change irrelevant, and also because there was a fear at the time that moderators who proposed certain actions would then be pursued and harrassed.

Ah..good point: "harassment". Mind you, maybe could we still provide a reason without saying who that reason is coming from?

I'm aware that this might take ages in some circumstances (I'm guilty of requesting too many changes sometimes), but there are occassions when I'm absolutely baffled as to why a request I've put through has been denied. However, in the past I've also received a PM from a mod, explaining why they vetoed a request and this has always made me feel at ease. It's the not knowing that's the problem.
 
  
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