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SBR: Anal Sex

 
 
Smoothly
10:09 / 01.08.06
Over here, in a hilarious faux misunderstanding, I suggested that Princess Swashbuckling start an SBR thread on anal sex. Then I wondered whether we already had a thread on anal sex, and discovered that we haven't (really).

We've had this, and this, and some other threads where the subject is raised obliquely (here, here and here, for example), but never a thread devoted to it.

Under the banner of the SBR project (ie. that efforts are made to keep it ontopic, low-snark, reasonably serious and not too YKINOK), I thought I'd start one.

In doing this, I'm slightly mindful of something that came up in the SBR policy thread. Namely that people might feel uncomfortable even seeing this title among the 'PG-13 goodness' of the Conversation; that there is something indecent or unseemly about the whole thing.
I think the 'ugliness' of anal sex (touched upon in this thread) could be one of the things we explored here. So, if this is something you do not wish to talk about, or are even a bit nonplussed that I started this, I'd be interested to hear about why.

But I think there's potentially lots of meaty stuff here. I'm interested in whether people like it, for one thing. Ideally, what they like or dislike about it. But then there are other things: How anal sex interacts with sexuality, for example. It seems to me that its association with male homosexuality has declined in recent years (perhaps due to its rise to prominence (dominance even) in mainstream straight porn, but perhaps there's more to it). Or am I mistaken? Is there still a suspicion that a man's interest in anal sex (penetrating or being penetrated) is a manifestation of a suppressed homosexual urge, even if he's fucking a woman? Does it work the other way around? Is there (or has there ever been) an insinuation in gay culture that a lack of interest in it tarnishes one's homo-credentials?

How does it relate to other sexual preference (eg. sub/dom; coprophilia)?
How do attitudes vary from culture to culture?
Is there a political dimension?

So, in the spirit of I'll show you mine if you show me yours, here's some disclosure. The TMI brigade can look away now.

I'm a straight man with a moderate predilection for anal sex, but it's not an essential part of my sex life. What appeals to me about it is (like most sexual preferences) fairly opaque to me and more intuitive than reasoned. I suspect that the transgression of a traditional taboo is part of the appeal; I think it's more psychological and sensational. Rather disappointingly, I don't get much out of being penetrated myself. It's possible that I'm (literally) missing something, but the pleasures of the prostate have eluded me.
I don't thiiink there's a sublimated interest in submission, domination or scat at play here, but maybe I'm not interrogating my dispositions rigorously enough. Perhaps there is an element of one or all of those things.

I can probably say more but I'm out on a limb here, and I'd prefer to wait until other people have opened up a little too (as it were).
 
 
JOY NO WRY
12:04 / 01.08.06
My personal experience of this is (unfortunatly?) limited as the 'We-are-never-going-to-have-anal-sex-and-this-is-not-up-for-discussion' talk has come quite early in all of my relationships. For a time this raised my interest to an almost frenzied level - which I'm quite sure irritated the fuck out of my partner - but when I think about the actual logistics of the act I have to say it looses some of it's appeal. I'm quite certain that if it didn't have such a taboo associated with it then it wouldn't have interested nearly as much in the first place: choosing (in a hetrosexual relationship anyway, which I am in) a painful, easily ripped ring of muscle designed to keep things from entering instead of a self-lubricating and welcoming orifice almost seems a bit silly.





I still really want to, though.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
12:07 / 01.08.06
I was very disturbed when people said they thought the Conversation should be sort of PG-13 rated, and cited this as a possible reason for having a SBR forum. But that's a whole nother thread...

So: yes, I like it. Giving and receiving, for different reasons, obviously. I like doing both for all kinds of reasons, which are not always pertinent to every sexual encounter. Emotionally it requires the bottom to allow hirself to go to a pretty vulnerable place. Which can be rewarding.

I agree that the association between anal sex and homosexuality has declined over the last ten years. But I reckon many heteros feel 'queer' when they do it.... maybe? Perhaps that's part of the appeal. But I'm not defining 'queer' here as related to homosexuality, or same-sex desire; it might also have to do with genderfuck. I don't think that for a straight man to want to be fucked in the arse is still seen to reveal homsexual urges, but it certainly reveals a willingness to venture outside dominant masculine sexual behaviour. What do you mean by asking if there's a political dimension to anal play, Susan?

And in terms of the relationship between anal play and dirt fetishes, scat and so on, I don't think there necessarily is a relationship, for everyone. It's entirely possible to have reasonably 'clean' anal sex, and for there to be fun with cleansing instruments before and after.

At bottom (heh) anal play is just a sexual practice -- it doesn't have to mean anything, if you enjoy it and the people you do it with enjoy it? Right?
 
 
Smoothly
12:21 / 01.08.06
What do you mean by asking if there's a political dimension to anal play, Susan?

I was thinking primarily about its relation to power structures.

For example, from Wikipedia:

Some have purported that the appeal of anal sex, to heterosexuals, is the concept of degradation: the woman is being used for the man's pleasure, without, arguably, receiving any on her own. Feminists also argue that a male heterosexual attraction to the practice has a basis in patriarchal mythologies surrounding a fear of the vagina and suspicion of women's sexual enjoyment and appetites (see succubus). Additionally, they argue that the appeal of anal sex to many male heterosexuals is a fetish of the taboo associated with feces and human waste, as well as of violence and domination, as anal sex practices can result in the bruising and tearing of tissue.
 
 
Princess
16:11 / 01.08.06
While my enjoyment of anal-sex isn't entirely dependant on it's scat undertones, it does play a small part. One of the most embarrasing events of my life was being fucked in my boyf's car and finding his dick covered in my feces. I was mortified. I have a definite anal retentive streak.

Allowing someone to do, what is almost always a clean practice, but contains the risk of dirt etc, is a way of saying "even this, even at my most ashamed, you can see me".

As a guy, it's one of only two penetrable orifices, and it happens to be full of wonderful nerve endings. Being penetrated feels nice, and intimate, and generally lovely. I think the general loveliness is probably the reason we are so into it.

Question: If both partners are HIV negative, in a medically certified way, is their any medical reason why they should wear condoms?
 
 
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18:21 / 01.08.06
Hepatitis; any number of other potential STIs which you may or may not know your partner's status on. Also, I'm under the impression that it generally helps certain lubes, but maybe I'm making that up. I'm a big fan of condoms in general, though, so you can take that with salt. Preferably from reputable sex-ed resources.

I'm 26, gay, and bottom-leaning, and I haven't been fucked in the ass yet— I suspect that makes me something of a rarity in San Francisco. I haven't exactly been saving it up for marriage, but I have been waiting for someone I really trust. Hopefully I've found that person now (and that's a topic for the age-difference thread, when I feel comfortable enough with it), but we've not gotten there yet. But I have done some assplay alone, with toys and fingers, and I quite like it.

Anal sex and submissiveness are related to one another for me, in the sense that I eroticize receptiveness, openness, and vulnerability in myself. I enjoy performing oral, but that's more active on my part and doesn't have the same sense of "letting happen" which feels good. And as orally fixated as I am, that's definitely more a psychological turn-on and less of a physical turn-on than being fucked.

Anal sex is good for you, you know. Helps prevent prostate cancer. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.
 
 
Ganesh
19:00 / 01.08.06
Question: If both partners are HIV negative, in a medically certified way, is their any medical reason why they should wear condoms?

As well as the above, there are different strains of HIV, and it's possible to become 'reinfected' with someone else's more powerful, more medication-resistant strain. It's also been theorised that cross-infection facilitates mutation of the virus into scarier forms. So yes, wear condoms whatever.

Y'know, I was sure there were more threads on anal sex. Maybe on previous boards...
 
 
Jesse
19:13 / 01.08.06
I was in a rather interesting relationship a while back with a young woman that had some fairly strong religious ties prior to our dating. These experiences presumably put some sort of taboo on pre-marital vaginal sex, but did not condemn any other sort of sexual activity (yes, it was incredibly weird).

Inevitably, anal penetration came up and was attempted, with varying degrees of success, over the course of the relationship. She did find it pleasurable (to the point of wanting to be stimulated with my finger during our less involved encounters). She didn't mind condoms, but hated the idea of using lube. It was thoroughly confusing and, coming out of the relationship and back into the realm of "normalcy", I can say that I'm relieved.

After getting back into the game, I realized how much better vaginal penetration was for me. Perhaps during my past relationship the taboo factor was exhausted or something, but from a purely physical standpoint, I enjoy vaginal sex a lot more than anal sex. And I don't really find myself missing it, now that I've gotten into a new relationship.
 
 
Ticker
14:33 / 02.08.06
It is certainly a very charged topic for most people I know. It seems much more an issue with predominately hetero people who often haven't been pushed to have dialogue around sexual practices.

I have known a few hetero males that approach anal penetration of their female partners as an erotic trespass while refusing any reciprocal penetration. This attitude has always bothered me as it reveals a power dynamic embedded in the sexual exchange 'I can use you this way but you may not use me this way' and I won't play with those people. A lot of the dialogue I've had with partners about it (of many genders) is personal comfort regarding their experiences and the power dynamics they've experienced with it.

I've had partners that preferred it and those that had no interest in it. One of my first partners was very much into being penetrated anally and so early on in my sexual exploration I became aware of pegging, the practice of the female partner anally penetrating the male partner via a strap on.

One relationship focused fairly heavily on anal sex and unfortunately the negative aspects of that overall interaction imprinted on me for that activity. I was very happy to have a relationship a few years later that repositioned the exchange as once again pleasurable.

The issue of encountering feces is particularly interesting especially when talking to women who (regardless of the gender of their partner) seem to still have a general fear of their bodies as being viewed as unclean. There is also the concern of contamination between the anal and vaginal areas.

I can only look to my own reaction when engaged in an activity that obviously might lead to this 'encounter'. I'm never surprised to find feces in the part of the body responsible for the elimination of it. However that said I do also understand that some folk prefer the use of enemas beforehand. While daily use of enemas (like douches) can be destructive to the body's natural ecology there are moments when it maybe an option.
In conversations I've had this is paralleled to cleaning the house throughly before important guests arrive.

I do strongly advocate people wishing to engage in any of these activities to take the time to read a good book on the subject to familiarize themselves with the safety issues involved. The membranes of the anus are very delicate and tearing can occur with improper use. Healing such an injury can take a while and people should not be afraid to seek supportive medical help.
 
 
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18:58 / 02.08.06
Sounds like a good time to ask... is it a good idea to take special care with one's diet for a day or two before one gets fucked? I've heard the "no tiny seeds" advice before; anything else? I'm not a vegetarian— can't be for health reasons— but I thiiiink I can avoid meat for a couple of days without harm.
 
 
Ganesh
19:06 / 02.08.06
Mmm... spontaneity...
 
 
Triplets
19:14 / 02.08.06
but I thiiiink I can avoid meat for a couple of days without harm.

In a very heterocentrist way that's hilarious turn of phrase.

But no, your diet shouldn't r-e-e-ally affect anal intercourse or play. I've never had any trouble with my diet before or after. Never heard any anecdote relating to same, either. I'd be intrigued if you could share.
 
 
Ticker
19:16 / 02.08.06
A good diet improves the overall state of the body and when you feel good you can enjoy fucking in any style a bit more.


As with any penetrative act, having a non bloaty gut is a good thing. Some folk like having a full bladder for the pressure, it's really a personal choice. I would recommend not eating things that tend to burn on the way out like atomic hot wings as the less aggrivated the mucus membranes are the better. In general unless you are interested in scat play the most important thing is to give yourself time to have a relaxed bowel movement in advance.

also it is good to know if you have any sensitivities to lubes, best to field test products in small quantities in private. What works for one person doesn't always agree with another...and that sucks to discover when you are having a good time and have to call a halt to the festivities.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
13:09 / 03.08.06
No tiny seeds

I think it's more about taking the opportunity to have what xk so quaintly callled a 'relaxed bowel movement' before you fuck. If there's nothing in your rear end but those odd lubricating mucuses, you don't have to worry so much about tiny seeds. Or other potentially chafing textures.

And xk, I never heard the expression 'pegging' before. Do you know anythinhg about its history, where it origintated? For myself, I wouldn't draw a distinction between penetration with a silicon or 'real' penis: both count as fucking, and I guess it's also important to me that silicon isn't devalued as not a proper dick. But it also makes me wonder whether people can or do have preferences for one or the other...
 
 
Disco is My Class War
13:11 / 03.08.06
That's independently of gender, I mean.

(Lest people think I'm asking a really stupid question...)
 
 
Ticker
14:14 / 03.08.06
behold truth from the wiki: Pegging

One of my wonderful female friends and I have often critiqued each other's new male love interests based on their response to the idea of pegging. Though honestly it isn't an activity I crave, but rather the dialogue around it is revealing of another person's sexual openness. I like having the option but my other sexual interests hold a stronger fascination for me.
 
 
Princess
11:26 / 17.02.07
Time for some technical questions re: the anus.
I've recently bought this amazing vibrator and I like it a lot. However, it is fairly massive. Not quite coke-can wide, but approaching it in places. I should like to know what are the risks of using massive toys? Should I be preparing against prolapse? I know that the toy is ever so slightly too big for me physically (not that I mind) because after use there does tend to be an amount of blood on it. This sounds sorta worrying, but I'm fairly rough and so is my partner, so are used to it. But now I'm thinking about the health implications and realising I know next to fuck all.
 
 
Triplets
00:25 / 18.02.07
Should I be preparing against prolapse?

Princess, if you're leaving an amount of blood on the toy itself that would suggest you're using it a bit too roughly. Stretching the ass beyond its usual limits will leave a little blood but, in my experience, this should only be in the wiping/clean-up phase. As for prolapse, the sphincter is like any muscle and, like any muscle, needs to be given a few days rest after a vigorous work-out.

This should keep your arsehole nice and springy with a zest of lemon.
 
  
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