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"And they all lived happily ever after..."

 
  

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GogMickGog
13:12 / 30.07.06
I was watching Pete n' Dud's Bedazzled t'other night and it struck me that, for a comedy, it's astoundingly bleak: the resolution's all over the place! Poor Stanley Moon doesn't get the girl and the devil ends with this wee monologue-

"All right, you great git, you've asked for it. I'll cover the world in Tastee-Freez and Wimpy Burgers. I'll fill it with concrete runways, motorways, aircraft, television, automobiles, advertising, plastic flowers, frozen food and supersonic bangs. I'll make it so noisy and disgusting that even you'll be ashamed of yourself! No wonder you've so few friends!"

So, I was thinking, what are the best examples of relatively mainstream flicks with endings that don't fit or, perhaps, subvert the norm with gleefully stupid endings. While by no means subersive, I've always loved that the apparent moral of Grease is that it's better to be a strumpet than to remain chaste, miserable and alone. Wonderful. Any more suggestions?
 
 
Shrug
14:02 / 30.07.06
Bringing up Baby. Howard Hawks, Katherine Hepburn, Cary Grant etc.

And since I'll be discussing specific details SPOILERS, obv.

The end of Bringing up Baby sees the dizzy heiress Susan Vance scramble up a ladder to meet her love David and explain that she will be donating the million dollars, which she recieved from her aunt Elizabeth Carlton Random, to the museum (a prize originally both sought by her and David). In doing so she begins to fall, David saves her, but at the expense of the towering bronntasaurus skeleton which she knocks, destroying a work David has spent years constructing (perhaps even a sizable amount of his lifetime).

While this may work symbolically as David's inculcation into Susan's world (a world far from the staid and scientific) and a disavowal of his own previous one, one really does wonder what kind of relationship they will ever have? David has undoubtably had the best few days of his life, a time far more full of excitement than his previous fiance Miss Swallow could have offered him, however, his body posture slumps in acquiesence to Susan's claims of love rather than in equal agreement and want of it. As if Susan has solely achieved this love by force of her own will?

Certainly Susan and David will never fit comfortably within the realms of traditionally portrayed filmic couples and the movie never sets that up as an expectation. For example, in a much earlier scene, Susan mistakenly steals David's car and we literally fade out to them driving off into the sunset in possible mimicry of a more cliched Hollywood ending only with David standing on the car's door ledge and with he and Susan engaged in the usual high speed verbal argument. Throughout the film Susan fixates on David tricking him, lying to him, making him miss his wedding, introducing him to criminality, skewing his logical world from outside in (all of this in a hurricane of fast talking and screwball antics.) Both Hepburn and Grant remain a likable pair each playing their part wonderfully throughout but the sheer level of Vance's manipulation on the basis of a brief "fixation" is frankly astounding.

The movie, as with the relationship, doesn't seem to fit within conventional Hollywood norms, more a wild frenetic subversion of one which, importantly, lacks complete complicity of both partners. As we leave Susan and David clinging to each other. high atop a podium, over a sea of bones, (the ruination of David's work), I can't quite reconcile in my own mind any possible future for the pair after the camera switches off.


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That type of thing then Mick?
 
 
sleazenation
15:46 / 30.07.06
While by no means subersive, I've always loved that the apparent moral of Grease is that it's better to be a strumpet than to remain chaste, miserable and alone. Wonderful. Any more suggestions?

Strumpet? Surely a confident, self-posessed and pro-active woman...
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:30 / 30.07.06
I really enjoyed the end of The Break Up last week, precisely because it (against my expectations) lived up to its title.

**SPOILERS** the slobby, lazy guy finally realises how lucky he is to have a lovely, caring (kind of ex-)girlfriend, and makes an effort to change himself, with a big, touchingly clumsy gesture one evening ~ slightly rubbishy flowers, salsa on the stereo, an offer to go to the "bal-LAY" if she really wants, because he doesn't like it but she does, cause he loves her.

She lays a hand on her chest and tells him, surprisingly, that she just doesn't have it in her anymore. Her love ran out.

"I cooked," he says, leaving her alone in their once-shared condo. "I don't know if it's any good, but you're welcome to have it."

The last scene is a really bright, bland chance meeting on the street, 6 months later, where they both tell each other they look great, then say, oh, well, hey! I'll... I'll see you around then! and... they walk away from each other.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
18:57 / 30.07.06
While by no means subersive, I've always loved that the apparent moral of Grease is that it's better to be a strumpet than to remain chaste, miserable and alone. Wonderful. Any more suggestions?

Strumpet? Surely a confident, self-posessed and pro-active woman...


I'm not sure about either of these, really, even if we rewrite the word "strumpet". It's been a while since I've watched the film through, but is Sandy unhappy for most of it? I thought she was quite happy with her more chaste morality; I also got the impression that her makeover is a fairly superficial, cynical (clever, confident, pro-active... pragmatic is perhaps better than "cynical") means to get Danny's attention and affection. It doesn't perhaps signal any change in her sexual behaviour, apart from dressing differently and being more overtly teasing. She's doing it to get Danny, on a romantic level, into a committed relationship, isn't she? Not just because she's got an urge for any fit fella, and Danny will do for tonight (that's what "strumpet" suggests, isn't it?... that, for good or bad, she's not planning to settle down right away with one sexual partner). Let's look at her own words!

You better shape up, cause I need a man,
and my heart is set on you
You better shape up, you better understand,
to my heart I must be true


It's certainly pro-active, but I think that despite her sexy outfit and actions during this scene, she's talking about romance rather than just jumping his bones. So, it's actually the same old Sandra Dee in a new suit.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
22:36 / 30.07.06
Also: Empire Strikes Back. Does the 2nd-episode blues in a way that, I'd suggest, introduced the concept of tragedy to a lot of kids in 1980 (I'm afraid I don't mean the classical concept of tragedy... maybe more like melancholy, the real-world realisation that things don't always go right, that heroes are lost, that lovers are separated, friends betray, good people die, happy endings sometimes have to wait and be fought for.) Those were hard, powerful lessons for anyone who'd idolised Han Solo for three long years.
 
 
Jackie Susann
22:42 / 30.07.06
Surely Godfather II owns this thread? That has the bleakest fucking ending I've ever seen. The way the last two scenes are juxtaposed, to drive home the point that all Michael's material success has destroyed him as a human being, destroyed his family, everything that mattered to him. Shit, I get chills just thinking about it.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
23:00 / 30.07.06
Pretty In Pink pwns the previous choice, and if I must explain why, then I will.
 
 
Jackie Susann
01:17 / 31.07.06
No, you are 100% correct.

I dunno if it's really relevant, but Bring it on does something pretty unexpected with its ending - it's definitely not unhappy, but it kind of subverts expectations about what makes for a happy ending.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
01:19 / 31.07.06
White Men Can't Jump.

Sometimes, despite all the rom-com cliches, you just don't patch it up with her. And that's just how it is.
 
 
Seth
06:51 / 31.07.06
SPOILERS!!!11!!!!One-hundred and eleven!!1!!!!

King Kong: the ape dies HORRIBLY! So sad...

Monkeys and tears forever joined. Planet of the Apes: the maniacs blew it up! Some social commentary, by an ape.

LET US DISCUSS THESE ENDINGS
 
 
miss wonderstarr
07:18 / 31.07.06
Bring it on does something pretty unexpected with its ending - it's definitely not unhappy, but it kind of subverts expectations about what makes for a happy ending.

Yeah, kind of... in that they "lose"? Torrance Shipman(grrreat name!) gets her man, her sidekick Missy is happy for Torrance and her brother; the gay cheerleader Les gets his man ~ the Toros retain their integrity and know they've come 2nd for the right reasons. Everything comes 80% happy. True, they lose. But it would be a funny kind of taste if they won, considering that the Clovers have a lot more riding on it.
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:14 / 31.07.06
Fight Club

Pretty obvious one here. The Narrator finally breaks Tyler Durden's hold on him and patches things up with his (actually more together than you might have thought on first viewing) girlfriend.

But utterly fails to stop the bombs going off.

Of course, you can argue that it doesn't matter at that point. He has taken control of his own life again, and that's the victory that matters. Project Mayhem ensured that the buildings and surronding area were clear of innocents. Nothing's been harmed except for corporate property.

It's actually, IMO, a far better ending than that of the book, and also an entertaining break from the cliche that the bombs are always stopped in the final seconds.
 
 
Triplets
08:36 / 31.07.06
Terminator 2

With the molten metal and and and the thumbs up. It fit the mythos I suppose; the terminator always dies at the end, innit.

But that was pretty shit for him, and for the Connors, and for us the audience.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
10:09 / 31.07.06
I think the mother of all "tacked on, horrible endings" is the theatrical release of Brazil. The ENTIRE MOVIE shows how a normal man is ground up by the system, yet in the end, the main character and female lead escape to go live happily ever after in the countryside.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
10:19 / 31.07.06
I think the daddy of tacked-on endings has to be Blade Runner in that case.

Fatal Attraction is another interesting example ~ the original cut, supposedly booed by test audiences, has a really eerie, haunting shot of Alex sitting in the bathroom alone, slicing the knife across her neck, and just tumbling sideways out of the frame. The final cut, as we know, involved the "kill the witch" sequence of the whole family uniting to drown the evil single pregnant woman. The 1980s, eh?
 
 
Jackie Susann
10:44 / 31.07.06
No wait! The absolute pwning winner of this thread is every Freddy/Jason/Michael/etc. movie where right when you think the killer is vanished the last shot suggests... actually, he is still out there!
 
 
miss wonderstarr
10:45 / 31.07.06
Was Carrie the originator of that particular, now v stale, device?
 
 
Jack Fear
10:51 / 31.07.06
Not sure if CARRIE counts, cos it was a dream sequence. I do know it was already considered a cliche by the time MANHUNTER came out in 1983 (?), because Michael Mann changed the ending from the book (RED DRAGON) to avoid the trope.
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:18 / 31.07.06
I think the mother of all "tacked on, horrible endings" is the theatrical release of Brazil. The ENTIRE MOVIE shows how a normal man is ground up by the system, yet in the end, the main character and female lead escape to go live happily ever after in the countryside.

But they don't do they? It's been a while since I've seen Brazil I admit but isn't all of that happy ending stuff simply that he's in a catatonic state mindlessly smiling after being tortured? That's how I remember it anyway.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:26 / 31.07.06
How BRAZIL ends depends on which cut you've seen, which country you saw it in, and possibly the position of the planet Mercury at the time of viewing. The story behind the movie and the final cut is so complex, it oughtta be a book.
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:35 / 31.07.06
Now you'd have thought I would know about this. They Bladerunnered it!
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
11:52 / 31.07.06
Was Carrie the originator of that particular, now v stale, device?

Oh no...it was a staple of 50's monster movies where you would get "The End" followed either by a question mark or the monster being seen in shadow. Ah, Roger Corman, how much we miss you.
 
 
Future Perfect
13:02 / 31.07.06
As far as cop-out endings go, I've always thought The Breakfast Club was really disappointing. You have this great little story about how we're all different and that's cool and that we shouldn't make assumptions about one another because the shit we're all going through is similar, and it's a high school movie that no-one can fail to like whether you're jock, geek, weirdo, rebel or prom queen. Then, having done all of this, the weirdo gets made over as a princess and nabs the jock?!?! All in horrendously cheesorama.

(May be that I'm bitter only because through the whole thing I thought a bit of romance might fly with the weirdo and the geek.)
 
 
gridley
13:37 / 31.07.06
"Bell, Book and Candle" is one of my favorite flicks, but the "happy" ending makes me so sad. The sexy, hipster witch dressed all in black giving up everything that makes her unique, turning into a swooning, cardboard normal woman dressed all in white just so that she can be in love is too tragic to accept as the Hollywood happy ending it's dressed up to be. Especially if you read the pretty obvious gay subtext in the film (i.e. Gillian can only be happy once she becomes straight). Although, I am impressed with the way the ending can be read so very differently depending on the prejudices of the audience.
 
 
Triplets
13:49 / 31.07.06
This is getting to be a pattern and, you know, feel free to tell me to shut up and eBay off the tape but... John Carpenter's Prince of Darkness. Is this thread basically a given for spoilers? Well, by the end, the protagonist/protagonist's girlfriend (Carpenter has a bit of trouble differentiating the two sometimes) sacrifices herself to save world, trapping her with a hellish outer god forever in what may be the single best horror shot I've seen.

Then, if that weren't chilling enough, in the closing minutes of the film, as the protagonists dreams (through the film we've been told that dreams might a way for post-apoc future humans to send a warning message back to us), we learn it might have all been in vain.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:53 / 31.07.06
I think we should bring up Prince Of Darkness in every thread.

That last shot of the "not-dream" sequence always freezes my spine.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
14:10 / 31.07.06
Has anyone seen a film called something like The Man With X-Ray Eyes? I read about it once, and even the sketchy description I remember makes me suspect it might be one of the most haunting endings EVA.


In brief, his X-Ray vision becomes a curse, and he tries all manner of ways to stop it... blocking his eyes with various types of blindfold, attempting different cures.

In the final scene, driven to the edge of his reason, the protagonist blinds himself.

The screen goes black, and after a pause, a voice cries in agony: "I can still SEE!"
 
 
Jack Fear
16:45 / 31.07.06
That would be X, the Man With X-Ray Eyes. Sadly, that "alternate ending" is just an urband legend.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
17:01 / 31.07.06
I like this thread. But strangely the only film that came to mind was 'The Deer Hunter'. i.e/ (SPOLIERS!) Michael doesn't save Nick, and even though after the funeral at the end they're starting to cope with the affects of Vietnam (i.e. Stevie is out of the hospital), when they sing The Star Spangled Banner, it's not in a "isn't America great" way, and more of a "what happened to our country, and what does it mean to be patriotic?" kind of way.

Indeed, it's an amazing film all round, and I only realised about a year ago how for about the first 45 minutes or so there's barely a total of five minutes of dialogue; amazing. One of the best war films evah!
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:27 / 31.07.06
Oh well! Thanks, Jack. The idea of it is still kind of chilling.
 
 
Shrug
18:05 / 31.07.06
It being perhaps one of the main prototypes for film noir it's not unexpectedly dark but it really is just so bloody grim from start to finish.... Fritz Lang's Scarlet Street anyone?

It's obvious but, Hitchcock is one of the main proponents of the not so sunny ending also; Psycho, Vertigo, Shadow of a Doubt, Marnie etc.
 
 
Jackie Susann
21:39 / 31.07.06
I'm pretty sure Carrie was the direct inspiration for subsequent stalk-n-slash endings.

Add to thread: Bonnie and Clyde (duh), Chinatown. Almost every gangster movie ends with the lead being killed, arrested, or losing everything one way or another.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
21:46 / 31.07.06
Just to open this up a little bit, though, the "unhappy end" for the gangster is meant to be a "happy" end in mainstream terms, as the original idea (in the 1930s) was to escape censorship by celebrating the rise of the gangster, then showing him fall into the gutter and usually perish. The audience's sympathies and admiration are supposedly lost at the point where he starts to fall. So it's kind of an obligatory ending in genre terms ~ or it was anyway ~ it's as true in the case of the De Palma Scarface as H. Hawks I think ~ but also it's meant to feel satisfying, rather than bleak.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
01:15 / 01.08.06
The ending of 'Pretty Woman' has always seemed fairly bleak.

All Richard Gere's character would have to do, let's face it, if the relationship ever ran into trouble, is phone up the agency and get somebody else sent along instead.
 
  

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