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astrojax69
05:42 / 12.07.07
sort of 'on thread'...

went to adelaide festival of ideas last weekend where i heard many intriguing minds disgorge their worth, including dr miriam baltuck, who is the director of the deep space tracking station at tidbinbilla, near canberra. she gave a very lucid account of why liquid water is the best indicator of the potential for life (citing several case of life on earth that thrives without the other usual contenders; oxygen, light, etc) as it has a wide temperature range, expands on freezeing rather than contracting (so allowing water below to renmain liquid, which it wouldn't if ice were heavier), etc.

then today found this article. fascinating to imagine that biology may be universally pervasive...


btw, the festival of ideas has podcasts available for all the sessions - worth a squiz... speakers include james lovelock (gaia dude), francis wheen, jay griffiths, peter cullen (aussie environmentalist), ramachandran guha and the delightfully named cherokee chief wilma mankiller, who was there with her husband charlie soap.
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:32 / 04.10.07
Cold virus may be used in fight against cancer.

I've heard of this sort of thing before and find the whole concept of using modified viruses to treat diseases to be fascinating. It's been an area of medical research that I've tried to keep track of ever since I saw a documentary on phage therapy.

Some more detailed info can be found on the University of Birmingham website here.

An advantageous part of using viruses to target tumours is that side-effects would, in theory, be minimal compared to those produced by chemotherapy. The virus would not provoke an immune response and would, in theory, solely target the tumour cells. Although I'm sure there are a lot of people who'd be uncomfortable at the thought of having a genetically-engineered immune-system stealthed virus injected into them.
 
 
grant
14:01 / 04.10.07
I wish I had a better picture of what a virus *is* - as it is, the more I learn about them, the more they simply become defined by negative space. Not alive. Not dead. Not big. Not cells. Not parasites.

The idea of people building them is slightly terrifying, since I don't think we fully understand how genes work.
 
 
jentacular dreams
08:06 / 05.10.07
Whilst I'd agree with you to an extent, I think it largely depends on what's being attempted with a virus. Packaging cell lines for example are I think well understood these days. Sadly I can't find a decent link explaining it all but they're basically types of cell lines used as modified virus factories, so as to produce viruses which infect their targets with a gene of interest rather than a replicating genome.

They have the genes for the virus protein coat and the trafficking of DNA/RNA into the coat as nuclear DNA, and have been transfected with a gene that the researchers want inserted into the virus, this gene has a sequence tagged on that tells the viral genes that this is the gene to insert into the protein coat (rather than the genes the virus needs to replicate). The end result is viruses that can transfect a target with the gene for e.g. a new receptor, but each virus molecule produced is incapable of self replication.

I agree though that in the cases of live viruses, such things still operate under natural selection. Whilst bacteriophages are much less risky to a host (with the worst case scenario probably being the accidental destruction of some gut flora), targetting eukaryotic cells is quite abit riskier. Both the virus, the tumour and the immune system can adapt to a changing environment and there is always a small risk that some of the virus' progeny could turn from binding CD40 to say some forms of myosin, which shares a reasonable amount of sequence homology. Obviously though the trials for such a procedure would surely be much more stringent than for a bacteriophage.

I can't help but wonder if there's any way to induce the same reproductive limit in viruses that non-pluripotent eukaryotic cells are though to have. I suspect probably not, though it would be nice.
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:16 / 05.10.07
It's not so much building as stripping out the dangerous genes and "re-directing" the virus to target tumour cells. But I have to say even Mr Posthumanity-Wargh!Let'sallbecomecyborgs-Evil Scientist here is a little concerned about the idea of stealth-plating an adenovirus against the human immune system.

Viruses are, biologically speaking, much much simpler than even bacterial micro-organisms. In the "wild" they are effectively genetic material with a protein coat (although that's also what my Mother calls me so...).

I tend to consider viruses as replicators rather than actual organisms.

I like the idea of treatments that specifically target the tumour cells rather than battering the whole system. The advantage of a viral therapy as oppose to (for instance) using chemical treatments that target the site specifically (whether via capsulated drugs that are "broken" open at the tumour site using sonics, etc) is that there is a better chance of the virus hunting down all of the tumour cells present and not leaving any to grow back.

In theory of course.
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:18 / 05.10.07
targetting eukaryotic cells is quite abit riskier.

Absolutely. Viruses mutate, and a theraputic GM-virus would have to be limited in some way to prevent that. An extremely challenging task.
 
 
jentacular dreams
10:21 / 05.10.07
there is a better chance of the virus hunting down all of the tumour cells present and not leaving any to grow back.

Indeed, though I've always been of the opinion that you really need to get the immune system to target the cells in question. I mean, targetting a surface receptor is all well and good, but it's only present in a subset of cancers, suggesting it's not required for oncogenesis and thus could be dropped in existing tumours (which, lest it be forgot, tend to be quite genetically heterogeneous even at the best of times) if there was a selection pressure to do so. That said, such viruses might be able to adapt as the cancer did (to an extent) making them almost an analogue to some aspects of the specific immune system.
 
 
jentacular dreams
14:48 / 22.10.07
Wasn't sure if this one deserved it's own thread, but I recently attended a very interesting talk on variation in copy number within the human genome. This was the first time I was exposed to something like this, and I'm having trouble finding a single link that explains it well, so bear with me.

As per GCSE biology, you have 2 copies of the vast majority of your genes, one from each parent, each on their own copy of a particular chromosome. But it seems there are hundreds, if not thousands of sites within the genome where this is not neccessarily true. Within these sites, you may get copies ranging from a single exon to multiple copies of the whole gene (which may differ allelically from each other). And of course there is no reason to expect the same copy variation to exist on both chromosomes. So for example you may have a gene with three copies of exon 5 on one chromosome, and a 'normal' counterpart, or eight copies of a gene on one chromosome (with different alleles), with no counterpart gene on the other. These variations are reasonably common, are thought to occur during meiosis (therefore hereditary) and may cover around 12% of the human genome (though they are present in animals, plants and fungi).

Obviously this has kicked off a lot of research into it's implications for disease. One of the early papers on copy number variation (Sebat et al., 2004) indicates that over 300 disease-related genes contain potential CNV sites, and a later report expanded that to nearly 1/6th of disease-related genes. Since these publications a number conflicting reports have started emerging on various conditions - e.g. whether variation within the gene CCL3L1 is thought to impact on HIV succeptibility or not (latest paper says not). Copy variation is also thought to impact on both the risk of cancer, and play a role in its progression (oncogene amplification is now thought to be extremely common in human tumours at least).

But what drives them? Obviously the majority of these variations can't have a huge impact on the risk of most diseases, or they would be selected against. But it is also possible that, as with e.g. sickle cell anaemia or CF, there may be conflicting selection pressures at work. Furthermore, many of these variations occur in introns and other non-genomic regions, the implications of which are anyone's guess. What is clear though is that this further undermines the Celera version of the human genome, increasing the potential variation between individuals massively, and showing that our genome is a lot more elastic than previously thought.

Thoughts?
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:41 / 24.10.07
I can see how evolutionary pressures would select for more than two copies of a gene. Like the theory that a lot of junk DNA is there simply to protect the useful stuff from events which could cause mutation, perhaps these aren't removed because the benefits of having multiply redundant copies outweighs the risk of the occasional "rogue" one expressing and causing disease.

Of course that would mean there is a system for selection of a "clean" copy over a "damaged" one. I can't find any on-line investigation into that mechanism, so that is pure speculation.
 
 
jentacular dreams
08:19 / 24.10.07
Quick post, because I have work to do, but I have a hard time agreeing with the Junk DNA as a 'damage buffer' theory, as to my mind the likelihood of an error/damage occurring surely increases as the DNA gets longer? (that said though I can see that the increase in probability need not be proportional to the increase in DNA length, though whether it would be >/< I have no idea).

All the evidence at the moment suggests that all the copies of a gene could be expressed (though I'm not sure how recessives work in this scenario) assuming they have the appropriate promoter regions. So if one copy of the gene was nonfunctional (but assuming nonharmful), I guess feedback mechanisms would probably upregulate them all, which might get the job done.
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:32 / 25.10.07
Quick post, because I have work to do, but I have a hard time agreeing with the Junk DNA as a 'damage buffer' theory, as to my mind the likelihood of an error/damage occurring surely increases as the DNA gets longer

As I understand it, the thinking is that the useful introns are spaced out rather than all together and so less likely to be damaged by free radicals, UV and other forms of radiation, etc.
 
 
Quantum
10:53 / 07.11.07
Upon further experimentation, Dr. Minteer and her colleagues created batteries that have a lifetime of two years, and can be run on various types of alcohol, including vodka, gin, white wine, and flat beer.

http://itotd.com/articles/611/ethanol-batteries/
 
 
grant
17:43 / 07.11.07
That is an interesting thing.

I wonder how close they are to prototypes. I have no idea if this would happen, but I love the idea of people with low batteries shaking their cellphones like martinis to make them last longer.
 
 
Evil Scientist
12:23 / 21.11.07
Human skin cells have been reprogrammed to form stem cells.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have just turned the corner!

Viable stem cells produced without the ethical headache of harvesting from embryonic tissue. This is sensational news, although it is tempered by the fact that any tissues developed as a result of this method would not be usable inside a human body just yet.

For these cells to be as useful as embryonic stem cells, "we have to find a way to avoid retroviruses before application in cell therapy", Yamanaka says, as they could result in tumours.

But great news for all those cute little lab bunnies. Modelling drugs and diseases on human tissue rather than animals would be a much more accurate way of performing some types of research.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
12:40 / 21.11.07
[...]great news for all those cute little lab bunnies[.]

Is it though? Can you give a crude estimate of the likely reduction in use of animal models as a result of this? And how much time would a turnaround take?
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:31 / 22.11.07
No, not really. I was just specu-ma-lating.
 
 
Querelle
17:28 / 23.11.07
I'm interesting in reading the paper on this.. I just graduated from university majoring in Genetics, and I remember in my upper-level classes that epigenetic reprogramming was the main barrier in making somatic cells totipotent. I still don't see how it would be possible to correctly reprogram cells that are already differentiated, not only methylation of DNA/genes, but X-chromosome inactivation, etc. I think it's been possible to make pluripotent cells, and cloning has been done via SCNT, but mammals that were fertilized with these oocytes were not OK developmentally, because of epigenetic effects. If they somehow have found a way around this barrier, then this is huge.
 
 
jentacular dreams
12:22 / 28.12.07
So, this article is interesting. Looks like personalised sequencing using DNA microarrays - which are capable of detecting SNPs and copy number variation (as discussed above) - are on the market from a number of companies, with costs starting around $1000 (i.e. equivalent to a top of the range computer, D-SLR camera, or a pretty cheap car).

At the time of the HGP this kind of cost/availability was unthinkable, and given how microarray technology has dropped in price and increased in capacity over the last 5 years, I think we can expect it to become reasonably widespread in western medicine over the next decade or so*. Of course treatment is always costlier than diagnosis, and these gene microarrays give you little idea of what's happening on the protein level, so it might be quite a while longer before personalised medicine becomes much more personalised, but coupled with emergent technologies such as gene knockdown, I think it's pretty damned exciting.

* Using a microarray you can see 'global' gene expression from a single patient, but if you know you only want to look at a certain set of genes - say major oncogenes - you can use a single array to examine tens if not hundreds of patient samples.
 
 
grant
14:32 / 28.12.07
"oncogenes" being - genes that are damaged and become cancer? Or genes that predict a proclivity toward getting a kind of cancer?
 
 
jentacular dreams
14:49 / 28.12.07
Theoretically, both. There are proto-oncogenes (which when mutated OR deregulated may become oncogenes, especially certain alleles), and there are things like fusion genes (bcr:abl being the classic example).

Of course for something like bcr:abl it is usually the initial mutation (in this case a chromosomal fracture and recombination) which drives the cancer, but most original oncogenic events also massively undermine genetic stability, meaning that the cancer rapidly rack up additional mutations which can affect both prognosis and treatment, and become relatively heterogenous as different cells mutate in different ways - so some cells within a tumour may well no longer need the original mutation to remain cancerous. This is why its relatively easy to get a cancer to go into remission, but much harder to prevent relapse (though this varies between tumour-types obviously).

There's also the whole field of cancer stem cells, which may exist within a tumour, but might exhibit a remarkably different genetic profile to the surrounding tumour - though isolating and sequencing these without contamination from surrounding differentiated tumour cells would be a huge challenge.
 
 
grant
18:56 / 10.01.08
Take an existing arthritis & psoriasis drug, Enbrel. Inject it into the spine of an Alzheimer's sufferer. Within minutes, the Alzheimer's symptoms begin to disappear.

“It is unprecedented that we can see cognitive and behavioral improvement in a patient with established dementia within minutes of therapeutic intervention,” said Griffin. “It is imperative that the medical and scientific communities immediately undertake to further investigate and characterize the physiologic mechanisms involved. This gives all of us in Alzheimer’s research a tremendous new clue about new avenues of research, which is so exciting and so needed in the field of Alzheimer’s. Even though this report predominantly discusses a single patient, it is of significant scientific interest because of the potential insight it may give into the processes involved in the brain dysfunction of Alzheimer’s.”
 
 
*
19:35 / 10.01.08
Part of me feels guarded, intrigued by the credentials, and wants to reserve judgment on the results of a study that seems very preliminary, especially since even if the results mean what they seem to mean, it will be a long time before the findings are implemented clinically.

But it's a relatively small part. The rest of me is going HOLEEE SHIT.
 
 
grant
20:26 / 10.01.08
Well, one of the two study authors invests in the company that makes Enbrel, so definitely wait and see. But wow, that's quite a claim.
 
 
grant
18:51 / 21.01.08
For those interested in compressed evolution (the idea that natural selection can, in times of high environmental stress, take place in a handful of generations rather than over millennia of mutations), there's a new study out about elephants developing smaller tusks as a response to pressure from poaching.

I *think* this is the only known (possible) example of compressed evolution in a mammal population, but could be wrong.
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:46 / 22.01.08
Interesting, although I have a feeling that it's not due to a preference for small-tusked breeding partners rather that the population of small-tusked elephants has increased because of the decrease in large-tusked elephants as a result of hunting. So the small-tusks are more likely to breed.

I think that there must be other examples of compressed evolution in mammalian populations (generally due to evolutionary pressures which result in a large-scale decrease in a certain part of a species population, the survivors are the ones that get to breed).
 
 
Closed for Business Time
10:24 / 22.01.08
Lactose tolerance in H. sapiens?
 
 
*
18:15 / 22.01.08
I think this might be an acceleration of an ongoing trend, though, as elephant populations of today have smaller tusks than their predecessors millions of years ago as well. Or am I fundamentally misunderstanding something about evolution again?
 
 
Saturn's nod
18:28 / 22.01.08
I don't think 'compressed evolution' is a meaningful thing: if I understand what you're describing, it's just a period of intense selective pressure. Could be seen as 'purifying selection' = removing less favourable phenotypes from the population. Evolution acts by generating random variation; natural selection favours certain offspring who thus constitute a greater proportion of the next generation's gene pool.

As for examples in mammals, isn't the genetic variation in cheetahs extremely low? Can't cite it but it could probably be looked up. That suggests that the population has been through a bottleneck = time of intense selection: it's the fastest way for a trait in the population to get fixed (=become present in all members).
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:07 / 09.01.09
As discord and "satire-suits" rock the rest of Barbelith I find myself crawling back into Lab. It's quiet in here, and I can't hear the shouting and broken crockery over the whirr of the gene sequencers.

So the news broke today that a new technique has been discovered by a team led by Doctor Sara Rankin at the Oxford Stem Cell Institute which may well allow serious damage to heart tissue and bones to be healed rapidly by stimulating the body to release large quantities of stem cells. Using a drug/growth factor combo the therapy would, in theory, amp up the numbers of stem cells which are sent to the site of an injury in order to effect repairs.

It's in the early stages right now, they'll begin animals trials next year apparently and it'll probably be quite some time before the treatment can be applied to humans (assuming it works that is). But still, encouraging news.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
11:11 / 09.01.09
So, does this mean my heart can now have 5 valves? A spare one, like?
 
 
Evil Scientist
12:37 / 09.01.09
Fortunately not. These stem cells are very specific apparently so, unlike embryonic stems, it is unlikely they'll turn rogue.

That said you can't grow new organs for implantation with this method, as I understand it.
 
 
grant
14:01 / 09.01.09
Yeah, I'm about to go here, but the first thing that makes me think is of a circumcised man having an aortic rupture, getting the therapy, then rising from his sickbed to realize he has a new foreskin (or tonsils, or spleen, or appendix, or all of the above).

In other words, how are these little guys targeted within the body?
 
 
Evil Scientist
16:49 / 09.01.09
It's all to do with the specific growth factor used as far as I can see.

From New Scientist:

However, the real breakthrough of the work at Imperial was to show that by giving a different combination - Mozobil preceded by vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF) - they could boost levels of two other types of stem cell.

Mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs) promote regeneration of bone and tissue, and so could be used for bone repair. They also damp down inflammation, and could be used to treat conditions such as rheumatoid arthritis.

Epithelial progenitor cells (EPCs), meanwhile, stimulate the growth and repair of blood vessels, and could prove useful in restoring blood flow to the heart or brain following heart attacks or strokes.


So the treatment appears to be quite specific in the type of stem cell it activates.
 
  

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