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Et tu, Fables?

 
 
wicker woman
08:23 / 27.07.06
I've been a fan of Fables since the beginning. It's not my favorite by any stretch, but it's been an entertaining enough book.

But issue #50... yeesh. I know the good majority of you don't like this series, but I'll still spoiler this just in case.

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Alright. In this issue, Bigby (the big bad wolf) has returned to Fabletown after a self-imposed exile to go on a secret mission for his former bosses. They want him to sneak into the Homelands (where all the Fables come from and where The Adversary, grand high mucky-muck of the bad guys resides) in order to pass along a message and deliver a blow to Gepetto / the Adversary's ability to carve wooden soldiers out of the magical wood that surrounds Gepetto's hut. Just before leaving, Bigby confronts Gepetto and delivers his message.
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SPOILER END

Bigby's rant in this issue is an ill-informed spiel about the virtues of Israel and how much Fabletown is like them. It's completely out of place, not really applicable to the situation, and more than a little tiresome. It's pretty obviously influenced by a pro-Western, GO ISRAEL position, portraying Israel (and Fabletown by extension) as The Little Country That Could. Oy.

So far, over the course of 50 issues, I've been able to overlook the occasionally extreme hardliner positons of Fabletown and events in the comic that actually made me vaguely uneasy. The tossing of Trusty John into the Magical Well as punishment for something he couldn't really help doing, the execution of nearly every animal Fable involved in the mostly bloodless revolt at the Farm (the area reserved for Fables that can't pass as human, for those who don't read the series), and so on.

It occurs to me also that the only sorta-feminist in the entire series, Goldilocks, was portrayed as a batshit insane bestialist. So.

No more Fables. Ye are off my pull list.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
08:43 / 27.07.06
Well that moment was a bit of a stopper for me too. It oculd be maybe written off as Bigbys opinion and not necesarily the other characters or the writers opinions, but that seems a bit of a reach. I'm sticking around for the time being but slightly less enamoured of the book as I was before I read that issue.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:20 / 27.07.06
I'm amazed that anyone could read 50 issues of this bafflingly popular bilge!
 
 
Grady Hendrix
11:54 / 27.07.06
I love FABLES and one of the things I like is its bloody-mindedness. The fairy tales that these characters come from were nasty, might makes right stories where people often came to a bad end for doing nothing more than what came naturally. I've always thought it was smart of Willingham to keep that flavor and have his characters show a willingness to do nasty things because they think they're right. That's a big part of real life and something that's too often absent from comics which want to make their characters likeable franchises. It's one of the things that makes BATTLESTAR GALACTICA so good: people you like doing things that you don't approve of but you have to see how it turns out.

I like a lot of what Willingham's written over the years, but he's always had a hard edge. It was difficult to find anyone to like in THE ELEMENTALS, which is one of the reasons I liked it - it felt real and surprising. These were characters I didn't agree with all the time, but what they did was at least interesting. Willingham has put his foot in it from time to time (in particular his notorious "I am not your nigger," comment in the letter column of an early issue of THE ELEMENTALS) but ultimately I think he brings a much-needed adult sensibility to comics. And I don't just mean sex and violence, but a willingness to embrace the ugly, practical side of superheroics and also to allow his characters real relationships that feel more mature than a lot of what's out there.

As for dismissing FABLES as "bilge", you know, to each their own. But I've really enjoyed it and I don't like the taste of bilge. Sludge is okay if it's cooked right, but bilge is right out.
 
 
Grady Hendrix
11:56 / 27.07.06
I just wanted to say: I haven't read Fables #50, but it sounds like the "Go go Israel" thing is a bit thick and interrupts the story. That's always a drag, but I have to say that a lot of people I'm friends with feel the same way about Israel, especially in the States. It's just a fact of life: they don't think like me. My only choice is to not talk to them anymore or assume that not everyone shares my politics and that their politics can occasionally deeply offend me but to accept it as one of those things.
 
 
Andrew Hickey
16:32 / 27.07.06
Fables has always been a venue for Willingham's moronic politics though - see also the Fabletown administration not changing the animals into humanoids because government can't be there to solve people's problems. (Ignoring of course the fact that if they changed the animals into people that would be a one-off cost, and then they'd be able to earn money and bring money *into* the government...)
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:54 / 27.07.06
Which would also *open story possibilities* by having people like Goldilocks and the Three Bears pointing out that not all animals want to be as people, and that's no excuse for keeping them holed up on the farm, either. Would the government of Fabletown change everyone or would there be free choice ... could have been interesting.
 
 
Grady Hendrix
11:53 / 28.07.06
But you're assuming that the politics of Fabletown are Willingham's politics. I haven't seen anything to indicate this, but I'm willing(ham) to stand corrected if you have.
 
 
X-Himy
16:22 / 28.07.06
I enjoy Fables, I enjoy it a lot. I know it is not the most popular of books on the board, but it is one of my favorite pulls, and the lending of the Fables books to my friends have hooked at least three or four people and dragged them further into comics. I'm at work, but I will try to reconstruct from memory some scenes as best I can.

The individual Fables express politics that are contrary to my own. When the good Doc suggests that Snow White abort her children, she reacts with complete revulsion. She follows this with something to the effect of, "I am not one of those weak mundy women who will toss away any problem." I find this view completely bonkers personally.

The Fables, even the ones who look human, are not human. The best way to think of them is as Kirby's Inhumans. A cloistered secret society, obsessed with their own protection and secrecy, obsessed with eugenics, and highly militaristic. And they have been here since before the creation of the United States.

Before I move on, Goldilocks is portrayed as batshit, but that is separate from her bestiality. I think few if any of the Fables actually care that she is sleeping with Boo Bear, and Papa Bear seems proud. And it should be noted that Snow White is a beastialist. After all, Bigby is not the least bit human, as he points out in Fables 50. He is half wolf and half magical creature on par with djinns. There is no human ancestry in him, and the closest he gets to being human is that he can assume the form of one through shapeshifting. After all, Reynard thinks he has a chance with Snow after hearing rumors of her and Bigby, with no thought of any cross-species taboos. Snow does rebuff his advances, but that has more to do with Reynard being a self-absorbed twit (albeit a funny one).

But back to the Farm and the revolt. A great deal of Fables cannot pass as human. And a society as obsessed with secrecy as the Fables created rules that would prevent their discovery, the Fabletown Compact. All the Fables agreed to it, and must abide by it. Also part of the compact is that Bigby cannot step foot on the Farm, which is why he could not see his cubs. I must stress that I am not defending these beliefs, merely trying to explain them in the context of the series.

As for forcing the non-human Fables into a ghetto, that is part of the discussion of Animal Farm which continues into the story. It is generally presented as an unfortunate circumstance, but necessary to keep the secrecy and ensure the survival of all the Fables. Transforming the non-human Fables or providing them with glamours so that they could leave the farm was actually one of the planks that Prince Charming ran on, and the one which netted him the win as mayor. What he didn't realize is that it was not possible to create that many spells to perform the deed. Something about the spell-load or something. So these Fables are stuck on the Farm. Again, I point to the Inhumans, and the differences between the royal family and the rest of Atillan. Or more importantly, the Alpha Primitives. The difference is that the Farm Fables are not forced into labor, they work in a form of capitalistic society to provide for themselves (as far as I understand it).

One must also realize that outside of the Fabletown society, these are separate characters who hail from a proto-medieval society, full of many prejudices. Plus, there might be some of the residual character-archetype magic that forces its way into their personalities (though if so, that would be a stupid idea). When the Arabian Fables showed up, they came from a medieval Baghdad, and many of their actions, thoughts, and personalities are shaped by this. There is change, witness Sinbad's actions. But even so, the Fables are Inhumans engaged in an eternal war. It doesn't make their actions right, but it might explain it.

As for the "Go go Israel" stuff, I dunno. I would expect Bigby to express views related to that. For one, he fought in both World Wars and presumedly witnessed first-hand some Holocaust stuff, probably making him more pro-Zionist. And while you can debate whether or not there are parallels between Fabletown and Israel, that is how Bigby wants to argue it.
 
 
Mark Parsons
03:02 / 03.08.06
I read this thread prior to reading the issue and was expecting the worst, but did not take offense at Bigby's metaphor. Israel IS surrounded by enemies and it does f*cking freak out when hit.

***Please note that I am aware of the history of the conflicts and do NOT support Israel’s aggression & policies!***

But I did not see Bigby's metaphor as an endorsement of Israel’s policies, just a comparison about ways to wage war. Willingham does seem set to use Arab fables as major fodder for future storylines. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Maybe Bigby’s metaphor may develop further…

I have to admit that I hated the first issue of this title and dismissed it as a crap SANDMAN knock off. But I kept hearing great things about it and started in with the trades. Like SANDMAN, they quickly become more complex and clever. It’s a notable series…
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
13:23 / 03.08.06
I think it's fascinating the reactions this book gets. There seem to be very few people who've read it who are "eh, I could take it or leave it". Most people seem to either hate it or love it. Me, personally? I hate it. I think it's the worst example of NuVertigo and I really can't imagine what people see in it. And this coming from someone who loves urban fantasy and whose partner is a Folklorist.

Its treatment of women is iffy at best, it tends to take a conservative stance on things, all of the characters are completely unlikeable and the world... filled with fables in the guises of men that it is... doesn't really seem too enchanted.
 
 
X-Himy
00:23 / 04.08.06
I forgot to mention Trusty John and the Wishing Well. The Fable government liked Trusty John, heck the entire Fables community liked Trusty John. But he has been passing vital information to the Adversary, and led to greater casualties during the March of the Wooden Soldiers.

Sure, he was under a magical geas and compelled to give such information. But that just means that there is no way to keep him from passing information on again. Life imprisonment would have brought about mass chaos, as would any trial resulting in execution. Disappearing him means a little more stability. It ain't pretty, but neither was mind wiping the White Martians. Or turning the Skrulls into cows.
 
 
Grady Hendrix
10:30 / 15.08.06
Did anyone notice the title of issue #52, the start of the "Sons of the Empire" story arc:

"Some Ideas Toward the Prospect of a Final Solution For Fabletown"

I tend to think that Willingham probably chose it for its resonance, not because the entire FABLES project is his metaphor for Israel, but he's working this angle hard. And why shouldn't he? Israel is in the news and FABLES is a neat metaphor for it.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:34 / 15.08.06
In that it gets a lot more support than it deserves?
 
 
Grady Hendrix
20:34 / 15.08.06
No, in that all its men are good looking. Every moving company in Manhattan is staffed entirely by young, Israeli guys just out of the army. I just moved again and - WOOF! It's like having Semitic Chippendales dancers in my living room.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
20:52 / 15.08.06
Without getting into the politics of the book I enjoyed 52 more than I have for a while. Really feels like it's back in business.

Anyone read Jack of Fables yet? It fell open for me and spoiled the cliffhanger but a neat one. A bit of a 'Fable readers only' thing but still...
 
  
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