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Lilly Allen

 
  

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All Acting Regiment
10:32 / 25.07.06
Some pertinent facts, courtesy of Flyboy, who I hope will be able as usual to say better stuff about a given act than myself:

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Her myspace

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"To me Kylie playing Glastonbury would be the ultimate insult to it. It should be about new, interesting music, not mainstream pop."


But see also, from the same article-

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In the last couple of months Lily’s acid tongue has stung other big names including CARL BARAT, who she describes as “a bit of a weirdo”, and THE KOOKS.

Which seems to me to make things a bit more complex. Flyboy rightly said that Setting up a dichotomy between "new, interesting music" and "mainstream pop" is tired, reactionary bullshit, and I'm sure anyone with any sense agrees- but see, she's doing what a lot of the, for want of a better word, "indie crowd" won't dream of doing: slagging off Carl Barat. The NME certainly don't seem to let a word be said against the Libertines/Babyshambles bricollage, and as has been pointed out on the lith, mainstream guitar music = Vernon Kay from big brother, so maybe LA, young female, slagging off Carl Barat, godfather of current bullshit, and Kooks, they of incredibly annoying vocal chords ("Aiiiyyyy know"), is a good thing?

The way I'm looking at this could mean that she's generally spiky and opinionated, a la Pink/Christina Aguillera, and that though what she said about Kylie was bullshit (like a lot of people she needs to listen to Kylie's records) it is, perhaps, forgivable as she also calls bullshit on two terrible boring lad's bands.

But then, perhaps, not.

What do you think?
 
 
kidninjah
13:57 / 25.07.06
Kylie playing the main stage at Glasto is almost exactly what Glasto is about... Sure, you've got the tiny tents with the "who the hell are they" acts, you've got the utterly uber-cool underground-overground cross-over heroes and you've got stages full of posing twats playing their version of sound that the last 40 years of pop rock has successfully peddled.. i mean put out there for the delectation of the people.

Glasto _wants_ big, big, cheesey acts. So that the "mainstream" can sing along with their favorite stars. So that there's some big print to put on the posters. So that the outsiders can laugh at them, or join in the monster crowds at the Pyramid Stage, begrudgingly admitting they secretly think the b-side from the failed single from 7 years ago was actually pretty cool (especially the remix)... and drunkenly chanting along to the choruses from all the big hits hoping none of their mates see them.

Glasto wouldn't be Glasto without the big names, just as much as it wouldn't be the mighty powerhouse of the festival it is without the hippies, naked flame jugglers, "underground" trance legends & Celtic goth dervish dancers. If I understand my history properly, it's _always_ been as much a "pop" festival as it has been a folk and obscurities festival.

Blatantly, Lily's wrong on this issue.

Her music & song rocks, however, and she's deserving of the attention she's getting regardless of what she says about who to a reporter.

It's time someone challenged the general viewpoint of NME et al. For too long they've had us beleive that four guys with guitars is the be-all and end-all of pop music, simply by not paying attention to anything else.

(Yes, i'm sure i'm exaggerating slightly here, but I never got into the NME because all I ever saw on its cover were flooby hair'd lads in leather jackets - a million miles from the Addidas Shell-toes or crusty charity shop jumpers of the people i usually listen to).
 
 
Char Aina
16:07 / 25.07.06
i think lilly allen believes what she says in the sun article.

Her music & song rocks, however, and she's deserving of the attention she's getting regardless of what she says about who to a reporter.

i disagree.
i think her song sounds pretty tired and uninspiring.

i also think that what she says is a big factor in the attention she is getting, and therefore agree that yes, she is deserving of it.

whether she is doing it intentionally or not(i think probably not), lilly has found a seam of fans to mine who like to feel that they like 'real' music made by 'real' people.*
this idea is, as noted in that other thread, absolute bollocks.

clearly it's bollocks that she believes, though,
and it's bollocks that some other people seem to be lapping up: Some of Lily’s outspoken remarks have made her a breath of fresh air in the stale pop scene this summer, says the sun.

they continue to quote her saying “I get hate mail all the time but I like it and “People are constantly being rude about me, especially after The Kooks and Carl Barat thing”
as they say, Lily clearly has no intention of curbing her outspoken nature.
why would she? she's only speaking her mind, addled as it may be and, as she told NME: [she's] a very honest person, [she] can’t stop [...] slagging people off.”
as long as folks continue to describe her diatribe as fresh air and her career stays strong, i dont see any reason for her to change her attitude.



*
clearly some people also like her music.
the two groups are not mutually exclusive, nor are they necessarily entirely different.
 
 
Quantum
17:09 / 25.07.06
I like her catchy music (well, 'Smile' is OK but the B-sides are great IMHO, I have 'Cheryl Tweedy' stuck in my head right now), but know nothing about her media persona. Seems like she might take after her dad a bit.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
08:32 / 26.07.06
Isn't dissing the less irritating guy out of the Libertines a bit like kicking a puppy?
 
 
Supersister
13:05 / 26.07.06
I like the Lilly Allen thing. Smile is a great anti-love anthem and a scream for women's lib. It encapsulates ASBO chic. Of course it's pop what else do you expect on the radio? I'm happy for this to be the sound of the summer in Britain. It's cool to be cruel.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:17 / 26.07.06
What is this "ASBO chic" of which you speak? Also, I'd be interested to hear how exactly 'Smile' is "a scream for women's lib" - I think I know what you might be saying, but it would be handy if you spelt it out.
 
 
Supersister
13:48 / 26.07.06
I'm not sure I have a handle on the lingo of social theory, popular culture etc to explain any better. Supersoundbitesister sorry.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:16 / 26.07.06
Might it be something like "Lily Allen has taken the aesthetic of a group of people who generally exhibit characteristics we are encouraged by the media to look down on - hoodies, unruliness, loud public utterances, aggressive young women - as terrifying signs of youth gone wild - and is using these to identify herself with these much-reviled tabloid fodder, even if as Keith Allen's daughter she isn't short of a few bob in real life"?

GL: He may look harmless, but with clean living he might be around for aaaages.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:35 / 26.07.06
Also Pete Doherty has apologised for everything:



...And to my knowledge Carl Barat has not yet apologised for the work of The Libertines, or the Dirty Pretty Things, or his dalliance with Sadie Frost, or inspiring Russell Brand to write that he, Barat, had saved England from the "chavs" and made it Blake's Albion again. This in a very real sense makes him "worse" than Doherty, and being rude about him and The "Kooks" is the best thing Lily Allen has done to date.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:37 / 26.07.06
I'm gutted about this, to be honest. I've been a staunch supporter of Pete through thick and thin, I even paid out the requisite tenner so I could be officially disappointed by his last album, and now, this.

My patience is done.

Pete, reform The Libertines if you like (run away back to the arms of that man who never really understood you, not like I did,) and see where it gets you. A long way, possibly, but you have ripped out an old woman's heart, Pete, and used it as some sort of public convenience.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:54 / 26.07.06
Ah, Fly, so easily taken in. Smackheads apologise ALL THE TIME and it means NOTHING!!! NOTHING!!! at all.

Although yes, Barat should say sorry too, really.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:04 / 26.07.06
Do you think Pete hasn't stopped 'using' then, Stoat?

Call me a romantic old fool, but this time, I believe him.

i believe in Pete, in spite of all the terrible things he's done.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:10 / 26.07.06
Oh Granny, had they not heard of "enablers" back in your day? Your kind heart will get you in trouble...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:18 / 27.07.06
It does set a good example, though, for all those other bands who've been on the cover of the NME in the last few years, who should appear on it again, this time apologising for everything:

RAZORLIGHT: "We're sorry, we're really fucking sorry, please forgive us!"

KEANE: "In retrospect there was no excuse."

THE KOOKS: "We should be taken out and shot."
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
08:56 / 27.07.06
I tried to start a fight with the lead singer of the kooks. In retrospect, I should have punched him in the face. With a bottle.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
09:42 / 27.07.06
Is it wrong of me to want to torture indie-pop stars with a blowtorch?
 
 
Supersister
11:25 / 27.07.06
Not if it's done sensitively.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:07 / 27.07.06
Give Lily Allen a break. Is it not enough that she managed to survive being Keith's daughter and indeed twist it to her advantage (not a mean feat considering the utter moronisity of the man)? Think of the number of parties on a school night that girl had to live through. It's not like she had time to do her homework. Who can resent her only option other than working in retail?

Keith Allen may have money but lets face it, it probably goes on a season ticket and other... stuff.
 
 
Char Aina
15:24 / 27.07.06
i think lilly's already had her break.
that was when she got all famous and shit and when people started taking her line of bollocks seriously.
now the break she needs is more of a snap; she needs to realise she's given to talking gargantuasaurus rex bollocks, and then she will grow immeasurably as a person and, if we're lucky, as an artist.
i like to think i form part of the axis of self-awareess in that regard.

you buy her stuff, i'll slag her stuff, soon enough she'll be buddha.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:08 / 27.07.06
Having just read that interview, I'm not entirely sure why Pete isn't back in Pentonville at the moment. Apparently he's discreet enough about his use of teh crack these days to turn his back on the NME while inhaling, but nevertheless still sufficiently obvious about it for this to warrant a mention in an interview conducted the day before he was due for a drugs test imposed by the courts. Which according to the NME he somewhow passed. Kirsty Wark, Jonathan Ross and so on make a certain amount of sense, but surely the judiciary isn't buying into the idea of Pete as a poet? Surely I'm the only person in the country over the age of seventy who believes that?

However, more alarming than all this for people who've heard the Babyshambles album is the news that The General has now joined the band on a permanent basis, and is helping to write and produce their new ska-influenced music - until he straightens himself out a bit, jail does seem like best place for Pete at the moment.
 
 
Char Aina
18:28 / 27.07.06
couldnt you at least mention lilly alen in your post, dude?
even if it is to say "i cant be arsed to talk about lilly allen, but here's some other stuff i want to say to you all"?

i mean, go for your life, obviously.
just tap the topic on the shoulder as you run by, maybe?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:43 / 28.07.06
she needs to realise she's given to talking gargantuasaurus rex bollocks

Hmm- like what exactly, apart from the Kylie thing? I've not been able to find any more quotes from her. Like I said at the start, this seems to be about weighing "slagging off Kylie/'mainstream pop'" against "slagging off Barat + Kooks/actually saying something in interviews unlike Barat + Kooks et al".

I guess we could look more closely at how exactly she chose to slag Barat. She said he was "creepy". Maybe we'd all prefer it if she said that he represented a fundamentally reactionary anti-creative ideology of "real music" and "indie lads" vs, well, anything remotely worthwhile, but then, is it realistic to expect her to say that? Is calling someone creepy just as good?

The video for smile: I'm typing this in the library and a sensitive young man has just asked me how anyone can listen to Lily when the video "promotes mugging". I've not seen said video, can anyone tell me what he might be talking about?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:50 / 28.07.06
In the video for 'Smile', Lily Allen (or the character she plays) pays some fellows to rough up and rob her boyfriend. I don't have any objection to it other than it is unlikely to be castigated in the same way as that terrible violent gangsta rap etc. etc.
 
 
Char Aina
11:52 / 28.07.06
well, she says so herself.
she characterised her talking squack about kylie and the rest as honesty without end, saying “I’m a very honest person, I can’t stop myself from slagging people off.”
that suggests to me someone who is given to talking what she calls honesty, and what i call bollocks.

perhaps an 'on occcasion' after the word 'bollocks' would have softened my intial comments enough to be acceptable?
it would be unfair of me to suggest she does it all the time, and i didnt mean to do so.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
12:04 / 28.07.06
See Toksik, I think that "I'm talking honestly, whatcha gonna do about it?" is only pure bullshit when someone's being racist, sexist, etc and in a position of power. So yeah, because slagging off Kylie in that way = promoting reactionary bollocks, the slagging off of Kylie = bollocks.

But, everything else she says that I'm aware of so far seems to be piss-takes of genuine craphounds a la Barat, and I don't think that doing that counts as reactionary and thus not bollocks. Unless of course slagging one good Kylie once outweighs slagging several bad prats a few times.

There is always the chance, I suppose, that the interview stuff is co-ordinated and planned to get attention.

Flyboy: hmm, that's interesting. What's the boyfriend character done to deserve it? If he's done something laddish and nasty, perhaps the guys who beat him up could be read as aspects of his own prig-male behaviour coming back to bite him on the arse?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:19 / 28.07.06
Fair point, Fly, although in this case Legba's only actually aware of the video BECAUSE someone was castigating it, so somebody's clearly taken offence.

However, I've not seen it, nor read any of her press, so I'm not sure if that's a common reaction.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:20 / 28.07.06
You're also right in that it seems unlikely that anyone would use it to start going on about the pernicious influence of pop music with girls in in the same way they might with black males.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:06 / 01.08.06
bump
 
 
Jub
06:44 / 20.12.06
Can anyone please tell me what Lilly's latest single: "Littlest Things" sounds like. I swear to god the melody is lifted straight form another source. Sounds like Cocteau Twins or similar.
 
 
illmatic
06:58 / 20.12.06
I think she's kind of a female Mike Skinner.
 
 
Jub
07:05 / 20.12.06
Yeah, really? Thanks for that Eggs. Very insightful.

So you don't know what the tune is reminiscent of?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
07:43 / 20.12.06
Not really sure, Mr J. But somebody, in something I read recently (it was either the Evening Standard, The Observer or the NME) was on about the 'genius' of Lilly's look - the ball gown says she's posh, but the trainers say she's street, apparently.

In 2007, I'm picturing a stretch in The Priory for Lilly. There'll be a lot of interviews to do with how hard it was for her growing up (she's already routinely on about how terrible the music biz is, and there must be a mountain of so far undisclosed material to do with her relationship with her father that she'll presumably be happy enough to wheel out for the red-tops once her pop career goes arse-up, at this rate by March 2007,) and then she'll back on the scene as a plucky new character in Eastenders, with Keith playing her father.

Really, I'd be amazed if there's a record company anywhere that's going to seriously stump up the cash for Lilly's sophomore effort, however 'indie' it might ostensibly be.

It's been, what, six months, and already it seems as if Lilly's number one single was a bit of a 'Chesney.' Or a 'Chumbawamba.' Or a 'Fat Les.'

But she's a great character. She'll be all right, I'm sure.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
11:04 / 20.12.06
Distressingly, I've literally only just got the, what would you call it, 'joke,' I suppose, about 'Fat Les', and how amusing it must have been for Damien, Alex (my grandson) and Keith to get that to the top of the charts.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:58 / 20.12.06
The Mike Skinner comparisons are interesting. How posh is he in real life? Not that that's going to affect what I think of his music, it would just bei nteresting...
 
  

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