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A Coming Out Thread (?)

 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
21:23 / 18.07.06
This is a sort of experimental thing, but I reckon it might be worthwhile. Basically, my situation at the moment requires my living with my parents, both of whom are "not homophobes but..." and are completely unaware of my bisexuality. And I'm in a bit of a bind, because even admitting to have queer friends is a talking point here. So I'm sort of unable to deal with repetitive, ignorant and stereotyping comments, and any assertions that, for example, not all gay men are in fact "effeminate" and camp are met with "Well, my interior design team at work are gays, and they all are, so I have more experience and am right". The gist of it is I'm basically very tempted to just out myself and have it over with, and was wondering if anyone else would like to share those sorts of experiences.
 
 
Shrug
21:32 / 18.07.06
If I ever want to tell my family something I just tell my middle sister, which is what I did to come out, she has mad networking skllz as within three days I was barraged with numerous calls from family members saying stuff like "Congratulations on yr News!". My parents specifically didn't seem to care despite the odd (reallyquiteannoying) "Are you sure that's the way you are?" comment from my mother.
It was really non-eventful and sweet really. No angst here, luckily.
 
 
Shrug
21:41 / 18.07.06
I don't have to live with my parents and amn't financially dependent upon them so that might be a leetle problem for you Withiel. Not that they'd cut you off and force their son to live on the street, I'm sure, but wouldn't it all be very door slammy storm-off tiresome if it all went a bit wrong? Wouldn't it all make you a bit tired? Maybe? Why do you want to tell them?
 
 
stabbystabby
22:13 / 18.07.06
are you planning on staying there for a while? can you wait? cause doing it while you live there will make it much more intense....
 
 
Twice
22:17 / 18.07.06
Not really the same, but I was allways terrified of my father. I'd gone through my teens asking for help from my mother and doctors and stuff and got nowhere. I always begged my Mum not to tell Dad. He was too, errr, military.

So I sat him down and started my big prepared speech. I got about 30 seconds through it and he interrupted me...

"So. Are you saying that you're a transsexual and you're going to have a sex change?"
"Erm. Yes."
"Well. If it's good enough for Jan Morris then it's good enough for you".

Parents can be very surprising.
 
 
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03:56 / 19.07.06
Shrug's question is a good one— there's a lot of really valid reasons to want to tell your folks, and a lot of really valid ones not to. You're not under any obligation to disclose to them. There may be pragmatic reasons to tell them— i.e. you may want to bring a same-gender romantic interest home, and it would be good to get the disclosing out of the way first. Or you may just want a more honest relationship with them, or feel that in the context of your current relationship, keeping this from them doesn't make sense. Also, maybe it is more tiring for you to keep this a secret— or simply avoid talking about it— than it would be to disclose. Everyone has to make this assessment for hirself, I think, because everyone's situation is different.

It's good to get clear why you want to tell them, if in fact you do, before you talk to them, so you can keep clear sight of your goals. If your goal is to get them to shut up about effeminate queers, then getting shouty, should you feel like doing that in the middle of the discussion, might not be a hindrance; if it is to improve your relationship and develop a greater trust and familial bond, maybe you should avoid that tactic. Not that those two goals are mutually exclusive of course.
 
 
Ex
07:16 / 19.07.06
Whatever you decide, good luck. Coming out can have weird effects over a long period of time, both good and bad.

I'd second id, and also add that if you do come out:

Probably best not to do it as the final word in the middle of an actual dispute. It may seem like a helpful lead-in but the emotional temperature will already be raised.

Make it clear why you're telling them - my father when I came out said 'Why are you telling us?' which felt like a poke in the eye but he was genuinely confused as to what he was meant to take away from it. I wish I'd had a smoother response ('Because I want to be able to relax around you and talk about my life and because it makes me happy and I wanted to share it with you blah blah'). (Actual reason for coming out to parents: 'I'm on the welfare team and I'm going to be talking to people about whether they should come out to their parents, so I thought I'd better do it myself. Also, you've just agreed to fund my MA, and I know that even if I now become subtly less reliable in your eyes, you're still going to have to hand over the cash.' Reason given to father: 'Um, I might bring a girlfriend home. Or something. Dunno.')

Make it clear you're happy about it. Otherwise, because there's so much negative stuff floating about that 'coming out' can be read as 'confessing' or 'seeking help'. Also, because your parents may well worry and it's good for them to know it makes you happy (I'm rather assuming it does).

All the best in your ongoing situation.
 
 
Princess
08:11 / 19.07.06
My mother is a ++ angry Christian. Her first hint was when she found an erotic fantasy I had written as part of a lust spell. There was anger.

The final realisation came when my Dad walked in on e and my boyfriend knecking. We ran away and planned too go homeless in the city. Luckily the police found us. As I was only 15 my parents had plans of putting him on the sex-offenders register (he was 16) but they got over it. Lots of rage floating areound after that.

Now it's all fine and they like my boyfriend more than they like me because he is neat and tidy and lovely.
 
 
Jub
08:52 / 19.07.06
PS - how did this acceptance happen then? Over what time period? Was it a gradual thing, or was it a more sudden thing for them?
 
 
elene
10:44 / 19.07.06
I came out twice, sort of. My mum always knew how I felt but my dad did not, not so that we could talk about it anyway. When I was fifteen though I wound up yelling at him during a row that I had indeed a boyfriend and I was gay just like those fags he was going on about. So he threw me out and told me I was no son of his (OK), I'd never see a penny from him and not to come back. He didn't really mean that about not coming back.

Many years later I told them that I'd decided to transition. They couldn't understand it (which was fair enough), they thought I'd grown out of that nonsense. My dad told me I couldn't. And that he was dying (he was, of prostate cancer and this is how I found out). And that I couldn't do that to the family, what if my niece or nephew ever wanted to go to university and this came out about me being a ... a ...?

It can be unpleasant all round, and if you don't have to, I'd say don't. But don't listen to me, Withiel's, as you can see I'm plainly no good at it.
 
 
Spaniel
10:51 / 19.07.06
I say assess your own situation and act accordingly.

Were I gay, I would very likely, for all sorts of reasons, want to come out to my mother, although it's unlikely that I'd ever have to.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:49 / 19.07.06
What id and Ex say, basically.

There are many good reasons to come out, and many equally good reasons not to.

I came out to my dad and step-mum in probably one of the worst ways possible. I was having a breakdown, pretty much and turned up on their doorstep seeking refuge and told them in the middle of that.

Basically, I think I was so scared that I had to really not care if they kicked me out. But what also did was extremely efficiently emotionally blackmail them into dealing. I'm not proud of that and have apologised for it.

They were basically ok, much more so than I thought, but the situation now is of them being ok but not wanting to know much, rather than jolly families. Still, they are very cool.

This is big stuff, I'd say, try not to make a decision quickly on it.

Also are there other people around who'd be easier to come out to? Siblings, friends? There's no need to make things tougher on yourself than neccessary, and coming out to someone you think might be chilled about it can be a good way of preparing self.

Finally, I'd suggest peer support. If there are any bi groups or lgbt centres near you, these can be helpful as you'll meet people in similar positions. Am happy to talk more about this on PM if you'd like to so feel free to drop me a line.
 
 
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17:22 / 19.07.06
Erm, well, I'm pretty lucky. My folks are not well-informed, but they are supportive, and that's a pretty big deal. I came out as bi to them after ending two long-term relationships in the space of a month and feeling generally like I needed to go away and "find myself." My dad basically already knew; I hadn't particularly tried to hide anything. A few years later I sat them down to tell them I was going to a gender therapist, and my dad thought I was still "confused" about my "sexuality." I took them to a few support group meetings. My mother was the one I was really worried about; my dad is fairly educated about sexuality issues but my mom is kind of not well-read. Well, the fact that dad thinks he knows it all is often an obstacle ("The thing I don't get is, you're not masculine enough to be a man...") but mom has always taken the stance that she doesn't understand this, but she doesn't have to; she understands that she loves me and wants me to be happy. ("...but no surgery!" but that was just a reflex from her deep and abiding fear of doctors.) I'm glad I told them, because I was getting ready to transition and the alternative was to lose all touch with them, and I just couldn't do that.
 
 
Ticker
17:26 / 19.07.06
In terms of coming out with your sexuality I had and have various degrees of it with my family and friends. I often use bisexual as the term is more common but in truth I identify as pansexual and a very large piece of that is BDSM oriented and conducted along polyamorous ethical lines. It is easy to confuse people.

On a trip to London with my dad we got in a semi drunken after dinner discussion about one of my friend's relationships. My dad made some comment about kink and I tested the waters about what he had figured about my lifestyle. (Later regaling my friend with the story it was pointed out to me that my Dad's self proclaimed sexual hay day happened when white knee high leather boots were in fashion and Kirk was a sex god).

One of my sisters had been in an openly gay relationship so my dad was comfortable with the idea of lesbians ('so long as they shave' bleargh). My habit of wearing all black and leather had been written off as goth/punk but it was clear that the idea of S/M had been introduced to my dad via [cringe] Gor novels. I'm fairly certain the interpretation he has of my life style is a cross between Elvira and David Bowie, something a little wickedly sexy ('n'cheesy) and androgenously glamorous.

My Mother on the other hand is a different story. She has a very hard time with my body modifications especially my scarification and she reacted quite oddly to my sister's relationship. I made the decision that as there was no pressing reason for her to know about my sexual practices I didn't need to go into detail with her. If she asked I'd be honest.

With my friends those that are reasonable close have heard the term BDSM in my company though many of them get that polite wide eyed look and say little.Obviously for other friends they have it as an active aspect of their own lives.

My sisters, both of whom have had lesbian relationships, have a polite but distant attitiude towards my sexuality. It's that cautious "don't want to say the wrong thing but I don't get it" vibe.

Sometimes I have difficulty with the reality of my sexuality and some of my socially derived values of them. When this happens ( if I'm feeling uncomfortable with myself) I sometimes project it onto other people. "So-n-So won't understand" etc. It usual turns out that I'm having a much harder time accepting myself than the other person is.
 
 
alas
18:20 / 19.07.06
I think it's probably safe to say that I'm the only one active on barbelith who has had kids come out to hir?

It seems to me that I am also hearing STRONG TRUTH in what id, ex, xk, and GGM are saying. If you can think carefully and deliberately about how and why you might want to come out, it's probably going to be better for all of you. At least you increase the odds in your favor.

My child came out to me twice, as did elene to her parents. For me, it was not hard to hear about sexual orientation--I was honored that ze felt ze could trust me at a pretty young age and I was basically happy for hir. A little melancholy, perhaps, at the passing of childhood, and always that prick of awareness that the child is moving into a pretty messed up world and just hoping that they'll be ok. In that case, I was told in a carefully constructed letter from summer camp, and I responded with my own loving, carefully constructed reply.

My child's gender identity issues have been much harder, for me. And the mode of telling played a little into that, I think. There wasn't much that was "carefully constructed" about either of our words this time around. In our case, I think we're working through it, but still, it might have been better in the second instance if we had both been in a better place/time/frame of mind to discuss it. Well, you live and you learn. I don't blame my child for this, nor do I blame myself, really--although both of us, in hindsight, could have done things differently. But, that's the thing, sometimes all you have is hindsight.

And it's also true that sometimes there is no "good" way to tell some information, to some people, in certain circumstances. But if it has to be told, it has to be told. And sometimes we all say things at the wrong place and time. It's good to be gentle with each other, if we can.

My very small piece of hard-earned wisdom, from a parents' point of view: If it's possible, at all, try to think of your parents at their best and appeal to the "better" parts of their characters, if you possibly can, as you figure out how to talk to them. Try, also, if you can, to remember that they are vulnerable people with their own histories and issues and pains, as well as being powerful in your own eyes.

I think it's obvious to you all that it can be very hard for a parent (or sibling) to know where you're coming from--that they are sometimes either completely clueless, or, like id's description of his dad, they may have a kind of certainty about their knowledge about gender or sexuality that may actually be interfering with their ability to really hear where you're coming from.

It may be that their understanding of themselves is very tied up in being "in the know" and just the bare fact of your revelation may make them feel stupid. I don't know anyone who likes to feel stupid, but for people who identities are shaped around seeing themselves as "smart," it can an especially hard thing.

The second thing I would say, is that it is probably just as hard for anyone who hasn't parented a child through adolescence or beyond, to fully know what it is like. There's often mutual misunderstanding and ungrounded assumptions. For me, the experience of parenting was fired by a kind of fierce passion that does not always reveal itself as simple love and affection and unconditional support.

I said to my kid, recently, that it's hard to put your kid on a bicycle, teach them to ride, and then let them go off and not simply see trucks ramming into them as they speed through a stop sign. (In part because, of course, we all sped through stop signs on our own bikes when our parents weren't around.)

Responses like "Are you sure?" might be a kind of legacy of this role of sometimes needing to protect your child from hirself. It might be a skewed kind of love. Letting go of that role can be hard and is not always pretty.

Sometimes even smart, loving people can say stupid things. I don't think it's anyone's job to pretend that those things don't hurt us, and often, usually in fact, it's important to let our loved ones know that they've hurt us. But it can be helpful if we can summon the strength and peace of mind to frame our responses to those stupid things in such a way that we leave some room for the other person's dignity, too--particularly if you are really interested in a long term, honest relationship with them.

(Of course in an ideal world, parents would always be able to be the more mature one in a relationship. But, not only is this quite obviouly not an ideal world and some kids are way more mature than their parents, even very mature parents can get tired, go into a kind of shock, and even feel a need to grieve for a child they thought they knew, but didn't really.)

Take care. Be brave, all.
 
 
Princess
08:54 / 20.07.06
Acceptance happened because it had too. They realised I was gay (although I don't identify as gay) and that if they wanted a part in my life they had to deal with it. Also, Andy tidies their house better than I do, so my gayness is practical for them.
 
 
Shrug
16:07 / 20.07.06
It just occurred to me that my parents probably knew that I was, at least, bi since I was about 16 and began bringing people home and that my sexuality was common knowledge amongst my family although we had never discussed it. Which probably filtered greatly into the lack of suprise and upset when I finally did officially come out.
I've been convalescing at home for a few days and the memory of some "Just a phase" comments, coupled with "We really don't like you having friends over so much", has been returning.
They regarded it as being completely my own business, I think.
My mother recently told me that despite all this she always expected me to settle down with a nice young lady who would put me to rights until we discussed it outright a couple of months ago. Still 'twas all good on the tolerance front.

Any decisions made yet, Withiel?
 
 
Teppichkind
14:53 / 13.03.08
well, it can also go a little wrong. when i told my father that i am a bisexual, he asked me, whether i have sex with little boys.

cheez, they can be freeks, parents...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:59 / 13.03.08
Ouch.

My current problem is more that my parents don't believe I can be happy on my own (confused with minor mental health issues which, when it comes to relationships, they don't know about) so they're more of the "We don't care if it's a girl, a boy or a goat but surely you're going to introduce us to someone?" If it gets too Bridget Jones I may have to buy a Real Doll just for some peace and quiet.

For those in the situation of coming out these days or supporting those coming out, is there a change in the literature? Back in those tender Britpop years of the early nineties, what little advice I could get was mainly based around "you've got to do it, because if you don't you're living a lie! Eleventy-one!" whereas when I was working as a school librarian and trying to stock material without falling foul of Clause 28 there was a dawning awareness of the "be prepared for the fact this may well freak even the most grounded sensible parents out for a bit. Be ready to support THEM" vibe. I'm just wondering what advice there is these days, seeing as kids and teens are coming out into a culture with a very visible heritage behind it and where not everyone is going to be met with the 'gays live much shorter lives' bullshit.
 
  
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