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Funerals

 
 
grant
02:35 / 15.07.06
We've had topics on death and on the sermons thereof, but I can't find one on ways of marking death for the living.

Anyone have any experience with memorials they'd care to share?
 
 
Morpheus
07:47 / 15.07.06
Last funeral... Rick "Jimmy" James. Total mayhem...had a blast yet it wasn't that fun. Sang some songs. The after "party" I spent with Val Young, Candy, Rayne, and the rest of the Stone City band...Doug, Brian, and ect. The party was at a certain oscar winning comic actors home and he ran out of drinks early and hit the ugly lights at around 9 thirty. It was not a "Rick James" party...because a Rick James party don't stop. But then again he wasn't there.

Advice...don't cry. It draws the dead back to this plane...causes them pain and doesn't allow them to move on.
 
 
Princess
13:06 / 15.07.06
Crying makes the dead come back? You'd think you'd see it more often what with all that crying at funerals.

My advice, cry all you need. Funerals aren't about the dead, they're about the living. Do what ever you need to do to move on.
 
 
ghadis
15:04 / 15.07.06
Boy, Morpheus, you sure do come out with some utter bollocks sometimes.
 
 
Char Aina
15:27 / 15.07.06
morpheus, are you tom cruise?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:30 / 15.07.06
My favourite memorial (indeed, the only one I ever visit) is the tree I planted in the cemetery where I buried my dog Biscuits' ashes. It's nice- it's a tree amid many other trees, and other than some flowers nobody except me would know it was anything special unless I showed them, but slightly separated so I can find it, and it has a nice flat gravestone next to it where I can sit. It always makes me feel peaceful, but very sad. And strangely, when I go there with more hectic dogs in tow (Biscy was a very placid dog) they seem to chill out straight away. I couldn't think of a better memorial, really.
 
 
*
20:06 / 15.07.06
I have friends I remember by putting out their favorite foods on Samhain. They're never traditional offerings— one deceased friend was from Australia, and when she visited, had never had Oreo sandwich cookies, so they rapidly became her favorite things. I offer some every Samhain, and eat them in remembrance of her.

A recently deceased friend was a big fan of edible insects. I do not know if I can bring myself to make mealworm cookies every Samhain, but if I do it will be a considerable act of devotion.
 
 
Quantum
21:39 / 15.07.06
I recently went to a friend's funeral, and they had lots of tee-lights for people to light as part of the service, which they then gave to us to take away. I took some time out from the wake part to go to the beach and light one facing the sea and pier which she loved. I had to build a little cairn to protect it from the wind but it was well worth it, it was at sunset and seemed like an appropriate memorial, just me and her.
 
 
Morpheus
23:27 / 15.07.06
Tom wasn't there. And in fact I was there because I had been writing music for him for the last year and some months of his life. I miss him more then you could know.
 
 
Ticker
02:10 / 16.07.06
A ritual of mourning is essential in helping the living come to terms with the passing of a loved one.

There are countless ways of creating these rituals some culturally dictated and some improvised by heart felt insights.

The best structures are usually the ones that make allowances for the most common and difficult emotional states experienced by the bereaved. Grief and anger turn quickly to admiration and celebration. A format which allows for the fluid transition and makes allowances for the needful indulgence of shared pain is ideal.

In many cultural studies of grieving the most important aspect seems to be the sharing of stories. The story telling plays an important role in letting people express aspects of their relationship with the deceased that are in resonance with the emotion they are experiencing currently. For example the angry relative may tell a story of when the deceased did something to piss them off but then the tale might turn to the light hearted memory of reconcilation.

I've read a good number of studies which report (I'll go dig some out to post links to if anyone if interested) that this act of story telling aids the bereaved in changing their relationship with the deceased. Instead of being a living current person who is absent with all communication ended the story repostitions the deceased into the realm of the ancestors/memory/past with the act of retelling their stories as an act of communion with the living.

If you want to help someone grieving get them to tell you their favorite stories of the person they miss.

One of the most amazing funerals I've ever been to was for my ex's younger brother who died after a very hard fight with testicular cancer. The large family brought gifts to pack into the casket, toys, music, hand made items, favorite knick knacks, food, almost the kitchen sink. Lot's of pictures. Then the story telling started with even the most shy member getting up and telling their favorite memories of the man. There were tales of every day tensions, goofy stunts, acts of bravery, lost loves, pretty much every aspect of his life was noted. Everyone shared sighs and laughter and a lot of tears.

For myself when my companion cat of twenty years died I needed to mark the occassion by allowing myself to cease functioning normally. I needed to spend a few days being an official wreck and letting other people take care of me. I fasted the day she was cremated while I waited to pick up her ashes. I spent the day telling her stories. The next year on Samhain (she died on Samhain we suspect the old kitty was escorted by the High Hunt as she deserved)I had a tattoo of a big ol' anime lion done on my back ith her ashes added to the ink.

For the week of Samhain I make ancestoral offerings of homemade ox tail soup, booze, chocolate, and tuna fish.
 
 
ghadis
02:14 / 16.07.06
Just to clarify...

This...

Advice...don't cry. It draws the dead back to this plane...causes them pain and doesn't allow them to move on.

..is was what i think to be bollox.
 
 
Quantum
12:24 / 16.07.06
(moderator hat off, in the box in the cupboard under the stairs.)
ghadis, you're right, that is complete bollocks. Morpheus, what the fuck are you on about? Never mind that, we don't know any of these people you're talking about and while I'm sure your grief is personally moving it's not contributing much to a fairly serious discussion on mourning. Have a bit more respect, nobody's going to want to talk about potentially upsetting and difficult issues and their magical significance when you're blogging incoherently.

this act of story telling aids the bereaved in changing their relationship with the deceased.

xk, I couldn't agree more. Everybody was telling stories and laughing about how fantastic my friend was, her drumming circle came and performed, everybody met her friends they didn't know and got on really well, the celebration not only eases the tragedy but is a marker to show someone's passing.
She once crashed the Israeli security website as part of an Amnesty protest, she was a live model and mental health activist, painter, cat lover and mother. At the last Labour conference in Brighton she was protesting over-medication in front of the Brighton centre, with rows of snipers on the rooves and men in black patrolling barriers etc. with about ten people, she was rock and fucking roll. She was about sixty by the way, mother of my best friend. She had better stories than most.
 
 
Ticker
13:58 / 16.07.06
May I suggest the Temple start a thread specificly for people to share these stories of tales of the Beloved Dead/Ancestors for the whole of Barbelith?
(Unless we have one I can't find?)
 
 
grant
14:34 / 16.07.06
Go and do.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:51 / 16.07.06
Oops, sorry... although this one did ask for "experience".
 
 
illmatic
16:47 / 16.07.06
May I suggest the Temple start a thread specificly for people to share these stories of tales of the Beloved Dead/Ancestors for the whole of Barbelith?

You could go for it but I'm not sure how it'll go - it feels to me like these are often best shared with people who knew that person. I feel quite private about these things. But, hey, why not go for it and see?

One funeral that went as well as these things can possibly go was my Dad's. It was a humanist funeral, as he was a devout aetheist, A guy from the Humanist society came round a couple of days before the event and chatted to me, my mum and my sister about him and then wrote this up into a speech. At the funeral he read this out, interspersed with readings from me and my brother. It was a brief life history with some representative anecdotes. As he didn't know him, he didn't completely get the tone right but it didn't matter. My brother read out a letter from his oldest surviving friend, and I read out a poem that had come up the last time we talked. All the family felt really happy with it, as it was free from any religious bullshit that would have been completely alienated from him as a person.

I've been to four humanist funerals now and they've all had the same feeling to them, an opportunity for celebration and rememberance without anything metaphysical involved.

The telling of stories is really important - a good mate of mine died a couple of years back and a year on, me and some friends gathered to perform a little celebration for him. We told stories about him, and an extract was read from a book he'd given a friend as a gift. At the time, writing his obituary was very cathartic for me.

I think the saddest thing about the storytelling is that as one tells them, you're conscious that the stories are now all you have left and the opportunity for new tales and surprises - life's spontaneity - from this person is gone. "Nothing here now but the recordings". This person has passed into legend and is no longer real and warm and alive to you in the same way. But at the same time, their telling and sharing helps us cope and remember.
 
 
illmatic
18:53 / 16.07.06
Appropriate timing for me - found out earlier today a friends Dad has just died. Sad times all round.
 
 
Quantum
22:59 / 16.07.06
Stoat- I was firing warning shots off Morph's bow, experience is welcomed of course.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:16 / 16.07.06
'scool.
 
 
Ticker
23:28 / 16.07.06
I started the grief/memory thread. Now I'm wondering if it might not be better in Convo though....
 
 
grant
13:36 / 18.07.06
It's peculiar -- I have two kind of fundamental things I think about funerals that aren't really compatible (which is part of the reason I wanted this thread to exist).

The first is that I tend to think of funerals as only being "real" when they're very high church -- like, the mental picture is of organ music and gothic architecture. This is odd because, well, a. I'm a mail-order minister who's done weddings and baptisms in backyards and not seen anything wrong with that, and b. I don't think I've ever been to a funeral that involved both gothic architecture and organ music. Some have come close, though. I want them, more than any other observance, to be sort of formal and heavy.

The second thing is a memory from a memorial service I attended. It wasn't the first one I'd been to, but it was the first one that had nothing to do with my parents. A friend of mine at college chose a particularly dramatic way to die, and we had a school-wide memorial on the bayside. This was... 1988, I think. He was very into the whole Sub-Genius/Illuminatus! thing, and I remember that he'd told his parents some scholarship had fallen through then used the money they sent to buy a top-of-the-line Amiga computer. They'd sent him to Bible school for high school, and I don't think he'd ever forgiven them.

So anyway, we're sitting on folding chairs by the shores of Sarasota Bay, and they're THERE, you know, sitting in front in dark suits looking just as shocked as we were. And people read poems and sang songs and all that stuff, then Dan took the mike.

Dan was a dedicated prankster and class clown -- brilliant guy, wordy, funny as hell -- and he said something that I've never been able to forget.

"This isn't what he would've wanted," he said. "He would have wanted us to all be wearing Nixon masks and singing 'We'll all go together when we go,' or something. Not this...."

There was an involuntary, nervous giggle that crossed the crowd. And then, for what I think was the only time in my college career, Dan looked awkward, sort of shrugged, and his voice trailed off. He put the mic down. And I remember the guy's parents nodding and smiling, and I remember thinking, "Dan is right. He's speaking the truth. And they recognize he's speaking the truth." And I remember being very glad he'd done that.


So those are the conflicting thoughts I have about funerals -- formal observance, and speaking the truth. (And also that the best eulogies are ones where the speaker gets the mourners to laugh -- because people are there because they remember joy.)
 
 
Ticker
17:50 / 18.07.06
A lot of people I know have gotten ordained in various ways to perform marriages. I've often considered getting trained in funerary customs so I could help people construct more meaningful death rites. I've thought about getting grief training as well.

It seems to me that there are a metric fuck ton of Weddings For Dummies and bridal mags but almost nothing for people wanting to construct meaningful rites of farewell. You go to the local funeral director of the local funeral home....

It would be useful to have something that broke down the local laws so families knew what their options were before hitting the money side of things. I know there are advocacy groups that help as well and of course the interweb.
 
 
Quantum
10:40 / 19.07.06
I met my estranged father after fifteen years and (among other things) asked him what he did for fun, y'know, hobbies. 'Oh, I arrange atheist funerals!' he said, and I thought that was pretty cool.
I think all the funerals I've been to have been pretty secular, but still incredibly moving. I think people really make an effort, take it seriously and care in a way you don't see in many other circumstances. In a strange way funerals really bring a community together.
 
 
EmberLeo
21:46 / 31.07.06
The last year has been strangely full of deaths near me, which is very new. What I noticed at my Uncle's wake was that I kept feeling as though it wasn't working for us to be so quiet. Folks told stories, some cried openly, but I kept feeling like we should all raise our glasses (sitting at his favorite brewery) and YELL a tribute to him. I think the exhuberance and ... I don't know how to put it... the breach of social protocol?

It's a kind of release at a time when everybody is straining to be contained. I think it's essential to have that opportunity for release.

In terms of binding the dead to us with our cries (bollacks or not, meh) I don't much worry about it. Within the time period that funerals and wakes are generally held, I believe the dead haven't gone very far away yet anyway, so there's no damage there.

--Ember--
 
 
Jackie Susann
01:26 / 04.08.06
The best memorial I know of was for an acquaintance of mine, named Pred. I wasn't close to him, but a lot of my friends were. They were all really angry and depressed after his official funeral; Pred has been an intransigent atheist, a determined anti-authoritarian. The funeral made him out to be a good Catholic boy.

Luckily, Pred has also been active with the Cave Clan, a group the explores drains and sewers around Sydney. They organised their own memorial, underground. To get in you climbed down a long ladder, with candles mounted all the way down. When you got to the bottom you followed tunnels, again lined with candles, until you eventually came out in a huge chamber. A giant black and white image of Pred was pasted up on the wall ahead of you, candlelit, with lots of markers for people to write memories and farewell messages over it. The atmosphere was amazing, and it was just such a perfectly fitting tribute to who he'd been.
 
  
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