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Mumbai train bombings

 
 
grant
15:34 / 13.07.06
Can anyone tell me more about what happened here?

Trains are looking like favored targets now.

They're linking this to Kashmir, and to the G8 summit in St. Petersburg.
 
 
grant
20:23 / 13.07.06
One person's opinion on why the internet silence on this topic is significant.

India and Pakistan are now nuclear armed states. This sort of attack, if it ends up being traced to Pakistan could have very serious consequences. Couple that with the recent resurgence of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and British frustrations there, and an argument might be made that Pakistan is engaging in serious destabalization of its neighbors.
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2 On the other hand, if the bombings were actually committed by a new group connected to Al-Qaeda, this marks the opening of a significant new front in the “Global War on Terror”. Al-Qaeda activities are of clear importance to America.

3 These events are pertinent domestic fight on anti-terrorism funding. Another mass transit bombing gives credence to Schumer’s argument that DHS is giving too little money to New York. In other words, recent events in India undermine the argument for protecting targets in Indiana.

Recent events are rich in implications for American foreign and domestic policy. I don’t find it too hard to connect the dots, and I don’t think it’s just because I’m brown.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:27 / 15.07.06
I've not got much to say, other than that it's a terrible thing to happen, because until we know who did it, it's kind of hard to draw conclusions, but very easy to leap to them. Given that there are two very high-profile suspects, it's all a bit tricky.
 
 
sleazenation
11:35 / 16.07.06
I don't want these bombings to go unremarked, but I have a feeling that they have become overshadowed by an escalating conflict in Israel and The Lebanon...
 
 
illmatic
19:01 / 16.07.06
I wonder if the silence isn't simply because it's in a country that doesn't frequently make it into the eye of the Western media and because no Westerners were killed.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:02 / 16.07.06
I'm afraid I think that may well be the case. Given that India is now pointing the finger at Pakistani citizens, which will then lead to further sabre-rattling and demands that Pakistan take basically impossible measures to control terrorism... and meanwhile I imagine that Hindu Nationalists are going to make hay out of this... bad scene. Possibly it's a question of which of the two theatres - the Middle East or the Indian subcontinent - seems most apocalyptic.
 
 
Francine I
04:59 / 17.07.06
"Possibly it's a question of which of the two theatres - the Middle East or the Indian subcontinent - seems most apocalyptic."

Indeed.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
10:12 / 17.07.06
In other words, recent events in India undermine the argument for protecting targets in Indiana.

This is a good point- if it became big news that, actually, terrorism affects other people than Americans, it might do something to diffuse the "we are teh wounded victim, thus we need a strong crusading leader" mentality that Bush relies upon to stay in power.
 
 
Quantum
16:50 / 17.07.06
terrorism affects other people than Americans

Well, the London and Madrid events just seemed to add fuel to his fire, wouldn't it go the other way? 'Terror is engulfing the entire world! America has a responsibility to go anywhere and kick anyone's ass to keep the world safe!'. Team America, World Police.
 
 
Slate
02:31 / 18.07.06
I fell in love with Mumbai when I lived and worked there 2004/05 for 6 months and this news has really pissed me off. Mumbai did not deserve this really. Not the poor bloody Mumbaikers just trying to turn a quid. The civilians that died going home from work, they had no sane logical reason to die, except of course to make headlines for someone...

I would not necessarily write the Mumbai train blasts off as Kashmiri seperatists though.

There are many rebel groups that operate within India.

There are the different Kashmiri rebels who are being fingered for this henious act. There are the Maoists who attack Indian military installations around East India towards the Myanmar and Bhutan border. Also in this region are the Naxalites who have been stepping up their own 'terror' campaign in Northern states. ULFA is another group that has made headlines recently in the Assam regoion for acts of terrorism against the Indian government.

I was working in a city called Jorhat for 3 weeks which is east of Bhutan and north of Myanmar which was a hot spot for rebel activity. We got pulled up by the cops and were told to leave town because they could not guarentee our saftey, I am a 187cm blond with a big red beard so it wasn't like I could act inconspicuous and I was staying in a military guarded compound with armed guards with flak jackets every 50 meters. So we caught a flight to Kolkata (Calcutta) and stayed for 4 days. We got back to Jorhat and there had been a blast that took out a gas pipeline feeding a fertilizer plant, a bomb that split a main gas feeder(but was under half pressure thankfully) and a couple of tiffin bombs in the next town south of us. No one was injured but the thing is not one word of the attacks made it to mainstream media. It made the regional news and probably made it to a few lines in the Delhi media but other than that, nothing.

The reason all these groups have room to move is another story altogether. With a huge population the Indian government can't really make sure there is 'law & order' in all corners of their country. The rebel groups that operate in the rural areas give assistance to the remote villages in the form of cash, vehicles and animals so this is how they grow and prosper. I have heard a rumour that in Jorhat, the civilians there pay 2 lots of taxes, one to the state and the other to the Naxals as a pay off for peace.

After spending 9 months in the country India for me now is not one country. It is a collection of regions I think, states with their own 'Ball Game' and all try to get ahead of one and another. Foreign companies are investing huge amounts of money into the country and it does have it's problems.

There are tensions between Muslim and Hindi groups that don't add to the solutions. So many people pulling in different directions. Here is an interesting fact, there are more Muslims in India than in Pakistan. There are Muslim and Hindi groups that live side by side and have been doing so for hundreds of years, but there is one group, the RSS, that wants to see a purley Hindi India, and work closely with the BJP government party, but the RSS claim to be apolitical.

In relation to the US, the Indian population like GWB more than the American population does even after horrific events like Bhopal and the Enron White Elephant. I don't think America has an immediate problem right now but if the violence escalates either India or Pakistan will want America to get off the fence and stand with them. America has just sealed major arms deals with both countries and for a while there is looked as though India and Pakistan had gone into a full blown arms race.
 
 
Slate
11:57 / 02.10.06
Just an update, Mumbai police have agreed to share evidence with the Pakistani Government linking the Pakistani Secret Service with the crime. It will be a wild ride in the coming months. What I really don't want to see is more revenge attacks. Or Pogroms, which might escalte the nastiness between the two countries somewhat.
 
  
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