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The Seven Spiritual Laws of Super-Heroes

 
  

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Eskay Uno
02:09 / 12.07.06
Please, somebody be there and transcribe the event...

At the SDCC Thursday; From 3:00 - 4:30, Deepak Chopra (!) and Grant Morrison (!!) talk about the "Seven Spiritual Laws of Super-Heroes." Moderated by supermodel Saira Mohan.
 
 
LDones
02:22 / 12.07.06
I'm there. Amusement shall be had.
 
 
Mug Chum
03:22 / 12.07.06
maann... how come baldie never do any interviews any more? I want to see him elaborate on his writing on All Star...

I can't go to San Diego!
 
 
Eskay Uno
04:30 / 12.07.06
Moderated by a supermodel! This is just awesome. It's a silver-age comics story come to life. And Chopra is now involved with comics via the new Virgin imprint, right? Is there anyone out there who would willingly record and transcribe this for the benefit of us Barbelithers too far away to go?
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
10:57 / 12.07.06
I'll third this request. Or fourth. Please!
 
 
Quantum
12:57 / 12.07.06
Supermoderated! You think they'll plug this?
 
 
Mug Chum
13:25 / 12.07.06
Oh please a good soul tape all and transcribe.
(Oh God! Please!)
 
 
Tim Tempest
20:42 / 12.07.06
Wow.

That is all.
 
 
_Boboss
12:36 / 13.07.06
oh god. just when we hadn't heard any spiralmeme bollocks for a few weeks.
 
 
Aertho
13:13 / 13.07.06
F off, you A. ;-P / ;-)

Anyone looked at those Indian comics? Devi (whose origin sounds too much like Durga's) is a seductress-protector? Not only seems mythologically inaccurate, but a seductress?
 
 
_Boboss
15:36 / 13.07.06
eat it.

and cass, sounds lke you really need a copy of rogan gosh - beg borrow steal sunshine.
 
 
Aertho
15:39 / 13.07.06
I'd love a full course meal of Rogan, thank you very much. Someone somewhere somewhen suggested I could torrent the whole thing, but I'm on a Mac. Anyone have a good link, and/or another way of getting their hands on the danged thing?
 
 
Ticker
15:58 / 13.07.06
This Rogan Gosh?
 
 
The Falcon
16:27 / 13.07.06
That'd be the one. Get right in, Cass.

I'd humbly suggest.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:42 / 13.07.06
I been picking up the new Virgin line of comics. Indeed the Devi comic is prettymuch a retelling of the Durga story. Rather than riding a lion she's got a flaming version of image's Witchblade. Most of the first issue is just the retelling of that myth and ends with a "modern" incarnation of the same villian and an introduction of Devi's opposite number.

No indication of the seductress aspect at the moment.

Also picked up Snake-Woman who's art has an Alex Maleeve feel to it. Sort of a mystery with the main character seemingly shedding lives like a snake sheds skins. She apparently forgets that she's a snake woman (a Naga perhaps) once her new life has taken hold. Of course there seems to be a race of Mongoose people that are her natural enemy/prey?
 
 
Aertho
17:21 / 13.07.06
I'll have to wait to make any purchases. I was sure the prevailing myth was that Rogan was one of the most difficult comics to get, so I never ventured to Amazon.

As I understand it, Devi is a female "power", like the Holy Spirit with a woman's name, or the Phoenix Consiousness or Godwave or whatever - just that Hindi belief percieved that fundamental "life-force" as female. Devi isn't even necessarily a persona so much as a drive. Now if they're screwing up the names and calling a Durga avatar Devi, that's only sin number one.

Durga herself isn't even sexualized as a seductress. Sure, she's beautiful like a goddess of power ought to be, but I'd guess she's more Conan-esque in her sexual behaviour (see Barda, both mine and Chabon's). To make her a sexy sexy seductress is too sly and not aggressive enough to be Durga. It's too cerebral and beating-around-the-bush. But to make a female heroine "powerful" and "beautiful", she's played as a seductress? That opens a can of worms about sexual desire, power/domination, and expectations of the female. That's sin number two.

But adding the two up is even worse. Devi, the female life-force and source of all power is a sexualized being that "seduces"? I accept that any primordial source of power could bee played up as sexual and fleshy and exhilarating, but I'm getting tired of sex being a game of cat and mouse that every heroine has to have in her utility belt. But to ascribe that trick to a fundamental female source of strength, life and power? To assume that all of womanhood is at its most powerful when it is coy... is reductive and untrue - two things opposite to what a goddess really ought to be.

I'm not sure I'm headed anywhere with this, except that it offends me slightly. Why can't Buffy be squat and brunette, and just plain horny?

I know I'm screaming at the ocean, but I'm hoping those who have read the issues, and/or know more about the Indian pantheon to help me better understand the appropriateness, or inappropriateness of the portrayal.

Ramayana Reborn looks good. That poster is kind of what I wished would have spilled out of Ali in Vimanarama 3.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:51 / 13.07.06
While I didn't really get any sort of seductress vibe from that first issue of Devi (aside from her outfit) a quick look at her Wiki Entry indeed places her as almost an alternative to Durga. Seems as though she'd be a much more sexual version considering her association with Shakti as well.

The comic itself was only okay. There's certainly something to be said about the sexualized image of the character in relation to more traditional appearances.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
05:39 / 15.07.06
this is bound to be very cool. and I found it odd that Morrison's still not to appear in any other panel, namely DC's Who's Who. that'll be packed with people involved in 52.

Virgin Comics, in regards to themes ad genre choices, so far look to me dangerously like... Crossgen. there, I said it. sorry.
 
 
Aertho
13:20 / 15.07.06
Crossgen is right.

So I guess I did misunderstand, thanks for the correct, Tricks. If Devi is the original goddess from whom all others are avatars, then I suppose it's okay for her to be Durgalike and Kalilike and all other goddessy types things. I was putting Devi in for where Shakti should have gone.
 
 
Mario
17:48 / 15.07.06
Grant's actually on 5 different panels:

Thursday, July 20
3:00-4:30 Deepak Chopra and Grant Morrison: The Seven Spiritual Laws of Super-heroes

Friday, July 21
3:30-4:30 WildStorm: Crossroads
6:00-7:00 DC: 52: A Year in the Life of the DCU

Saturday, July 22
1:00-2:30 DCU: One Year Greater

Sunday, July 23
10:30-11:30 DC: The Big Three
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
03:26 / 16.07.06
duh, places i usually check had not mentioned this. thanks
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
10:16 / 21.07.06


seen here




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Malio
11:54 / 21.07.06
Here's the IGN report on the panel.
 
 
Mug Chum
11:59 / 21.07.06
Thank you, kind people!

(if there's anymore, keep 'em coming. I never know where to find these things)
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
12:22 / 21.07.06
hopefully he'll talk about same stuff today at the sepentine pavilion - if he turns up!
 
 
Malio
14:17 / 21.07.06
CBR and Newsarama.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
17:22 / 21.07.06
The Beat's report



the guy at Deepak's right is his son and Virgin Comics Editor, Gotham.
 
 
The Falcon
17:49 / 21.07.06
Re: the CBR report, I think more people should punctuate between paragraphs with the word 'Batman'.

Also, he's all seven chakras? I knew he was the best.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
01:39 / 22.07.06
The Morrisons descend at Joe Casey's Man of Action group blog, posting live from the con's floor. almost like being there.
 
 
superdonkey
01:48 / 25.07.06
Some kind soul has posted a video of the whole thing!
 
 
Eskay Uno
05:51 / 25.07.06
Well that was all kinds of fun. Thanks Zak (and Malio & Hector)!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:49 / 25.07.06
So, help me out here. If you want to interface more closely with Eastern thought, or indeed "thought" more generally, why exactly would you associate with Deepak Chopra? The word "myth" is related to the word "mother"? DA FUG?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:12 / 25.07.06
Oh, Christ. I'm sorry, I tried, but I really can't take any more of this. Comics affect the left and right sides of the brain simultaneously? That's great! So does this shovel.

Still, on the plus side, Mr. M. is wearing a lovely suit, and seems to be talking a lot of sense, although this may be relative. I liked the idea that superheroes had an instinctively holistic view of the universe, since to be a superhero is to have one's own perspectives - be that carpet fibres like trees or tiny, tiny humans - but also to be aware that all these other ways of seeing the world - X-Ray, heat vision, Martian vision - exist. I'm not sure, though, that I can think offhand of a comic in which that multiplicity of perspectives is really reflected - possibly, in a way, Flex Mentallo...
 
 
Robert B
12:53 / 25.07.06
The word "myth" is related to the word "mother"? DA FUG?

Is he, perhaps, referring to the Hindi word for myth being derived from the hindi word for mother?
 
 
Robert B
13:00 / 25.07.06
Yeah, just listened to the first part and no... he says that the english word myth is related to mother (mater)... I got nothing...
 
  

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