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Essay on Reich online

 
  

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illmatic
13:36 / 11.07.06
My Reich essay which I've sent to a few Barbeloids is now online here
Happy to answer any questions or whatever if anyone wants me to.

We can move this thread to Temple or Lab as appropriate, but I wanted it to get a wider audience for now.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:40 / 11.07.06
(Convo mod hat)- I've got no problem with it being here. I look forward to reading it at work tonight.
 
 
Ticker
15:08 / 11.07.06
I'm reading the article with much delight! My dad went to visit Reich's estate last year I believe. I've emailed him for more info to bolster my memory of his experience.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
15:16 / 11.07.06
My only familiarity is, as you say in your introduction, "that loony sex-box guy." So I'm reading with great interest. Fascinating stuff.
 
 
illmatic
16:35 / 11.07.06
xk: Reich's estate is now a museum with all his lab equipment and notes still preserved. It's in Maine, IIRC, and they still host yearly conferences on his work. A friend of mine went recently. Your Dad's not a secret orgonomist, is he?
 
 
grant
16:40 / 11.07.06
My copy-editor hat is on your first sentence with a big circle and a question mark.

Fix it!

I still quite like the whole thing, though. Specially the history.
 
 
Ticker
17:28 / 11.07.06
The Dad is a Fortean which is far stranger. Yes it is in Maine which is where he lives.
Also I think something about orgone energy prompted him to keep his water in cobalt blue glass...

Also have you come across mention of the microscopes?

The Wilhelm Reich Museum

If you ever want to go visit it we've got couches to surf and rides to share. I should go anyhow something like being in the neighborhood...
 
 
illmatic
17:49 / 11.07.06
Also have you come across mention of the microscopes?

Oh yeah, I've looked down the microscopes, and seen stuff squiggling, though I'm not 100% comfortable commenting on what I saw, as I've no training or experience in the field. People do find his experiments repeatable though. My current position is that I can certainly understand why he - and those who've repeated his work - drew the conclusion they did. Whether these are conclusions are totally "true", I don't know. At some stage in my life, I'm going to repeat some of this work, and I imagine it'll end up convincing me as well.
 
 
Ticker
18:50 / 11.07.06
If I may delve into your wonderful article...

A very real urge for aliveness, or frustration with armouring can "flip" into an uncritical acceptance of every kind of cosmic idea, an inflated sense of self-importance because of occult forces ("gods" or "angels") interfering with one's life, an over-reliance on the astral plane, and a contempt for this life and the body. In general, I feel occultists should worry less about Universe B, "alien forces" and New Aeons and get back to our bodies.

..or even just start with our bodies? How can we use intent to create change in the world if we are unknown to ourselves? I know this getting all Temple in the Convo on ya but put up with me for a minute.

To quote: "Mysticism [in Reich's sense].. is a distorted experience of one's own body energy in motion projected outward either onto imaginary figures or abstractions such as "the devil", "god" or "the Jew" or "Asiatic races" or "the angels" or "the age of Aquarius" or some idealised hero or leader. Mysticism is also accompanied by a sense of helplessness in the face of social problems , the abdication of responsibility for solutions and the fantasy that some force, god or leader is going to solve these problems without the individual having to do anything for him or herself to deal with them. The obverse of this stage is that cause of all problems are projected outside oneself as others or external abstractions".

I know there are a lot of occultists (as members of humanity) who do not take responsibility for anything ever, BUT the majority of folks I know who under take this work begin with the initial step of taking responsibility for their own reality. In fact the majority of them have either been lead to a dialogue with their physicality or started there.


The Wilhelm Reich Museum is a part of the The Wilhelm Reich Infant Trust

The Wilhelm Reich Infant Trust was so-named because of Reich’s devotion to infants and children. He wrote eloquently and passionately about the importance of safeguarding the emotional health of infants and children, often referring to their “unspoiled protoplasm” and “unarmored life.” And in his Last Will and Testament he charged the Trust with devoting part of its income to “the care of infants everywhere, toward legal security of infants, children and adolescents in emotional, social, parental, medical, legal, educational, professional or other distress.”

Reich was deeply invested in caring for the ill and the young in very tangible and very practical ways. The less understood/more occult aspects of his techniques may in time (if the research as you say doesn't result in the Catch 22 of being written off) be only a form of medical science currently obscured.

We know from the history of germs and Dr. Semmelweis that someone maybe on the right track but slightly off just enough to sound like a crack pot.
 
 
Saturn's nod
19:52 / 11.07.06
Yeah, but when it comes to spontaneous generation, the way I make up my mind is, do I beleive in tin cans or not?

If spontaneous generation is useful, then we can expect canning to be a waste of time - food would last no longer than if exposed to air. If however, we can truly sterilize - eliminate growing things - with heat, then thank goodness, canned food will last longer than food exposed to air.
 
 
Ticker
20:11 / 11.07.06
Not all of Reich's work is based on the very problematic area of SG.
Though if I remember correctly it wasn't expected to occur under sterilized conditions?

The reason I brought up Dr. Semmelweis is that while we can certainly look askance at Reich's total package there maybe some really important babies floating in his bathwater. (Second time today I've used that phrase on here...weird)
 
 
illmatic
20:15 / 11.07.06
Xk: Glad you liked the essay. Cheers for your comments. I've met a fair few occultists who were very out of touch with themselves, too many in fact. With Reich's work, if it ever does get reappraised, I suspect it'll be on the back of his attitudes towards childrearing. His scientific work is too far out the ballpark for now (or ever, maybe).

Saturns Nod: I can't answer that one. Not qualified at all - if I can, I'll come back with a response from someone who knows better than me. Sorry for replying to our previous correspondence, BTW.

Also, please note that none of this is me being a "true believer" and refusing to accept scientific facts that are in front of my face. It's just that (a) I'm genuinely ignorant scientically,I don't have the language and knowledge to assess his claims and (b) I've been shown evidence that apparently verifies them (but see (a) ) - ie. motile forms alive in solutions after autoclaving. At some stage in my life, I'd like to square this circle to my satisfaction.
 
 
grant
20:22 / 11.07.06
Mod hat: getting itchy to move this to the Lab as this conversation develops.

Not yet, though.
 
 
illmatic
21:53 / 11.07.06
It's one of the interesting things about Reich's work to me, Grant, the way it touches on so many bases - psychology, occultism, childrearing and birth, microbiology, physics. Those who agree with this conclusions see this as a sign that he was onto something quite profound i.e. his work is yields results in so many fields, while his critics see this as a signs of lunacy.
 
 
Quantum
22:04 / 11.07.06
motile forms alive in solutions after autoclaving.

That was one bit of the lecture that fascinated me too, your description of Reich's response to seeing these weird things., his close observation and desire to remain objective.
 
 
illmatic
22:18 / 11.07.06
I should probably mention that Reich was very down on occultism (but had some profoundly relevant things to say, IMO) etc before someone's offers up their kerrrazy 5 minute fusion of The Matrix, sigils, The Function of the Orgasm and Discordianism.

OMG!! I've Cuuu!!M! All over RRReeality!!23!!
 
 
Saturn's nod
08:01 / 12.07.06
xk Not all of Reich's work is based on the very problematic area of SG.
Indeed. I'm a member of SGM and I teach microbiology to undergraduates, as a consequence of which I have fairly strong opinions on spontaneous generation.

xk The reason I brought up Dr. Semmelweis is that while we can certainly look askance at Reich's total package there maybe some really important babies floating in his bathwater.
Yes, I totally agree. Some of what Reich has to say is really interesting: I use a body armouring concept in my own thinking about my body.

I rate his wilder stuff as famous-scientist-syndrome: once you have been right whilst everyone else is wrong a few times, your reality checking mechanisms can get a bit lazy. See Brian Josephson for illustration of this point.
 
 
grant
14:05 / 13.07.06
Any objections to me moving this to the Lab now?
 
 
illmatic
14:11 / 13.07.06
No, go ahead.
 
 
grant
17:10 / 13.07.06
Cool.

Now, for slow readers like me, can you explain in slightly more detail how this spontaneous generation is supposed to work?

I mean, was Reich talking about actual living organisms, or just some life-like or life-giving particles?
 
 
Ticker
17:54 / 13.07.06
Well I found this and I'm tempted to say you should bring a big bag of salt with you to this site but besides the annoying web page color scheme so far it reads like Reich.

An Investigation into the Origin of Life by Wilhelm Reich, M.D

From the site :

"The Journal is proud to present the first English translation of Die Bione, a landmark monograph first published in Oslo in 1938 and still, today, decades ahead of its time."
 
 
Ticker
18:13 / 13.07.06
I also thought it might be helpdful to review this page which outlines where Reich was in terms of context of scientific theory at the time.

The Historic Context of Reich’s Laboratory Work

It's pretty brief.
 
 
Ticker
19:13 / 13.07.06
...and I really liked this guy's articles on Reich's bions as being well, let's say problematic...

A Skeptical Scrutiny of the Works and Theories of WILHELM REICH: bions

SAPA bions
 
 
illmatic
05:00 / 14.07.06
I mean, was Reich talking about actual living organisms, or just some life-like or life-giving particles?

He was talking about yer actual living organisms, Grant. I'm looking through his books for some quotes which I'll post in a sec. I don't know if there's a link but Nanobes are quite interesting on this score - they appear to occupy the transitional ground between life and "not life".

Roger Wilcox's site is interesting - it's one of the first hits you get if you Google Reich so I've come across it before. I wondered why on Earth someone would devote so much energy to attacking the works someone they so strongly disliked then I found this article. A very sad story, and a good account of what can happen if you apply therapeutic princples inappropriately, with no feeling or sensitivity.
 
 
Ticker
18:16 / 14.07.06
the links above I posted are by Roger Wilcox.
 
 
Ticker
19:02 / 14.07.06
A very sad story, and a good account of what can happen if you apply therapeutic princples inappropriately, with no feeling or sensitivity.

That was a fairly heinous account.
 
 
illmatic
20:36 / 14.07.06
the links above I posted are by Roger Wilcox.

Yup, I know - you come to his stuff pretty much straight away if you're looking up Reich on the net, which is largely for the good as I'm concerned. Makes one think a little bit. Having said that I don't agree wtih all - if indeed any - of his conclusions.
 
 
Ticker
14:23 / 16.07.06
Can we find other modern scientific examinations of Reich's work ob bions?
 
 
gyrus
15:24 / 16.07.06
Away from the bions side of things, I read an interesting book recently called Jung & Reich: The Body As Shadow by J.P. Conger. It basically fantasizes about what Jung and Reich might have learned from each other if they'd met and talked (and not ended up arguing or having a scrap).

They both diverged from Freud in seeing non-verbal methods as crucial (though one went for symbols, one went for body energy). The both thought that mind and body were aspects of the same thing (though of course we see them as emphasizing one over the other). Jung was obsessed with alchemy, and Reich's approach to experimental scientist had more than a touch of alchemy about it. They both had a UFO thing. And they're both generally seen as nutty these days. Conger thinks Jung's subtle approach to the psyche would have helped Reich with his sometimes rigid and literalist models. And Reich's direct approach to the body would have helped Jung's tendency to float off into symbolic abstractions.

It's the best sensitive critique of Reich I've read. In the occult world, though, when people are wont to get carried away by symbolic abstractions, people often need a pure shot of Reich.
 
 
illmatic
19:26 / 16.07.06
xk: Well, this seminar appears to be doing some work in this area. I'll try and post some other links as I find them but it's not a field about which I know a great deal.

In this interview, orgonomist James De Meo cites a bibliography he has which contains 400 papers that he has which reproduce Reich's experiments. This is spread out over a long time period but might carry some weight? De Meo is very well qualified, but regardless, his Reichian pursuits got him into a lot of trouble. In the interview, he goes into some (very bitter) detail about the obstacles he's run into when trying to take this findings "into the academy".

I have mixed feelings about this - I don't necessairly think that pathologising people who disagree with you is the way forward - I'd rather characterise them as people who sincerely believe that you are wrong, and try and understand and work with their position. I guess in the end he found this too frustrating.

Reichian workers always urge people to try the experiments for themselves - such as those with orgone acculmulators etc - to verify them, and feel a lot of frustration with critics who know that they are wrong and therefore won't follow this advice. I haven't done this myself, I might add, so I can't speak with any real authority here, but I hope to do so at some stage.
 
 
illmatic
06:58 / 17.07.06
An updated version of the biblography De Meo speaks of can be found here
and there seems to be some repetition of Reich's bion experiments mentioned in De Meo's journal Pulse of the Planet 5. However, googling around, I found Pulse of the Planet taken to task (PDF file), which is an incredibly bitter and nasty series of attacks on De Meo from some other Reichians, but illustrated with some natty collages! This does much to make me think the field is full of nutters!
 
 
Ticker
14:23 / 17.07.06
I know it. However I've spent enough time in the company of 'regular' scientists to know they can all sound a bit whacked out no matter how respected by the mainstream they are...not to mention the catty in fighting shite.

I have some basic questions about Reich's lab methods and would like to see his experiments with bions conducted by a neutral modern team. I find his work on psychology more compelling than his work on biology.


Have you worked with other people or mostly on your own with his methods?
 
 
illmatic
15:06 / 17.07.06
I have some basic questions about Reich's lab methods and would like to see his experiments with bions conducted by a neutral modern team. I find his work on psychology more compelling than his work on biology.

Ditto on both counts. And, if they found him wrong, I'd be prepared to accept it. On a related note, his biography "Fury On Earth" is interesting in this regard. The chapter on the bias in operation in the tests on his acculmulators is unbelievable.

Have you worked with other people or mostly on your own with his methods?

Largely on my own, though I've shared the techniques with other people on a few occasions, normally with pretty good results. It's interesting seeing how other people react to the techniques. I think this is only the starting point though and you have to be quite self-directed if you want to get somewhere.
 
 
illmatic
15:19 / 17.07.06
The Breathwork and Birth thread is related - why do you ask, BTW?

One interesting thing that comes out of doing this work is verifcation of what Reich calls "the orgasm reflex". It's a basic movement of the body which takes place in orgasm, and also tends to emerge when you play with breathwork (without the orgasm, in case that wasn't obvious!) It's his ability to catch unobserved physiological process like this that make me appreciate him, and think there's a lot in his work. Bit more about the orgasm reflex here (PDF link).

Oh, I should probably mention I've had a lot of feedback and discussion with a friend who's a former therapist. I've never done therapy with him but he's helped me a lot - probably one of the most instructive bits of input I've had is the importance of gentleness with this stuff rather than trying to slam your way through it.
 
 
Ticker
15:40 / 17.07.06
I was asking about group or solo work in relation to my curiousity about Reichan groups. I only know people who use his work in solo self therapy not with a trained therapist or a group.

I'm going to read the PDF you kindly posted in a moment. Thank you.

One of the things the topic has reminded me of is the use of orgasm body posture in some BDSM work. By watching the body movements of the person experiencing orgasm you can learn how to postion their body at other times for different emotional states. I've discussed observed toe curling (flexing down, flexing up, curling in etc) with other people for inspiring emotional states and excitement.
 
  

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