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An Underworld Reading List

 
 
Sax
11:59 / 21.06.06
*Cross posted with Temple*

Gimme all you know on books and/or internet sites about hell, be it the Christian hell but also hells of other religions and mythologies, guides to demons, academic sources. Don't be afraid to be obvious (Dante etc), esp if you provide links or suggestions for good editions.
 
 
GogMickGog
17:47 / 21.06.06
Paradise Lost would seem a safe bet with the added bonus that Hellenic, pagan and christian demons are intertwined- the roll call near the start would be particularly effective in establishibg a cast list.
 
 
GogMickGog
17:50 / 21.06.06
oop, a develish Freudian slip there- Helenic, I mean.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
12:23 / 22.06.06
I wrote an essay on this, sorta.

Learn medieval Italian so you can appreciate the true beauty of Dante's Inferno. Failing that, get the new, orange, Oxford edition. The illustrations by...was it Gustave Dore?- are worth tracking down as well.

Oddyseus, top Greek hard man, in the Oddysey, by Homer,and Aeneas, top Trojan hard man and supposedly founder of Rome, in the Aeneid, by Virgil, both make trips to the underworld.

Conrad's Heart of Darkness is meant to echo with epic themes, and indeed hellish ones.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:00 / 22.06.06
James Morrow's Only Begotten Daughter, about Christ's half-sister, has a fairly lengthy section taking place in Hell, and is well worth the read. The interpretation of who goes to hell and who goes to heaven is particularly noteworthy, but I won't spoil it.
 
 
<O>
21:36 / 22.06.06
For a class I took in non-western mythology a few years ago, I read a Sumerian myth called "The Descent of Inanna", about the goddess Inanna and her visit to the underworld. If you've read the Epic of Gilgamesh, you'll know Inanna as Ishtar, whose anger at Gilgamesh's rejection of her sexual advances eventually leads to Enkidu's death.

Here's one translation of it, and another one worked into prose. This page is a paper with some interesting thoughts on the myth's interpretation.

Enjoy!
 
 
Alex's Grandma
01:28 / 23.06.06
If, Mr S, you're talking about Hell as a specific place of punishment, Dante and Milton would seem the best way to start. The thing is, though, that there's so little about it in classical lit - I stand to be corrected, but even in the Greek/Roman myths, the after-life seems to be more of a set of satirical devices than anything else.

But, your friend and mine, George M, wrote 'Kid Eternity,' in which the map of hell is constantly changing, so I'd go that way - Hell's watever you want it to be, the train fron London up North.

Read Morrison!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:00 / 24.06.06
Gramsy: the after-life seems to be more of a set of satirical devices than anything else.

I often worry that that's what the real after-life will be as well.

Might want to check out the Ambrose Bierce definition according to the Devil's Dictionary as well, especially in relation to the ones for Heaven and Elysium. In the vein of satire.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
21:23 / 24.06.06
Might be handy to see this thread of Kit-Cat Club's on The Great Hereafter again, Sax.
 
 
babazuf
16:30 / 26.06.06
The Hero with a Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell delves quite deeply into the Jungian psychology of the Underworld. Also, though I have not read it, I have heard that Frazer's The Golden Bough is invaluable as a study in comparative mythology (I know Campbell refers to him extensively).

For more literary fare, novels dealing with themes of dystopia (including the usual suspects: A Clockwork Orange, Nineteen Eighty-Four, Atlas Shrugged, Fahrenheit 451, Planet of the Apes, The Stand, Player Piano, I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, whatever) fulfill the same function as Underworld mythology within a more contemporary context.
 
 
Elettaria
13:36 / 27.06.06
Jewish concepts of hell and the occult

(In case anyone is wondering where I sprang from, Blake Head dragged me along. Greetings, everyone. *waves*)

Jews don't tend to go on about hell much, but there have been a few Jewish writers exploring Jewish ideas of the occult. The most obvious one is Isaac Bachevis Singer, who once said that he wrote in Yiddish because he liked to write ghost stories, and what more suitable language for a ghost story than a dead one? He also remarked that he believed in the resurrection of the dead, and at the end of time all the Yiddish-speaking dead souls would arise and enquire whether there were any new books for them to read.

Most of Singer's works that I have read are set in eighteenth-century shtetls [Jewish villages] in Poland, and a large proportion of those deal with demons (occasionally fake, sometimes as narrators), dybbuks (demons who possess people), people set on a path that takes them straight to hell (e.g. an unusual combination of adultery and ritual animal slaughter), hauntings, and random mystical occurrences. Try his volumes of short stories, such as A Crown of Feathers, Short Friday, The Spinoza of Market Street. There's also a short novel which may be relevant, Satan in Goray, but it's years since I borrowed it off my best friend and I can't remember it. I think it's about Satan gradually taking over a village.

For a more modern, snarkier twist, see if you can hunt down Ellen Galford's novel The Dyke and the Dybbuk. The starting scenario might be typical of I.B. Singer, with a dybbuk called up to possess someone's ex-girlfriend and her descendents to the thirty-third generation, but it then jumps a couple of centuries to give you the possession of a lesbian taxi-driving film critic in north London, or should I say the attempted possession, since it doesn't go quite as planned. Hell is a company, Mephistco plc., there's a trade fair, a takeover by the Japanese, and the whole thing is hilarious, though well-rooted in Jewish literary tradition.

I've no idea whether it's still in print, but Picador do an largeish anthology entitled Great Works of Jewish Fantasy, ed. Neugroschel, which is not about the genre we currently call "fantasy" but rather about folklore, the occult and so forth. Again, it's a while since I ploughed through it, but there are demons galore and probably quite a few stories set in hell.

For a completely non-Jewish slant, there's the existentialist play by Jean-Paul Sartre which is set in hell, Huis Clos (usually translated as No Exit). It contains three incompatible people locked in a room for all eternity, and is the origin of the famous phrase, "Hell is other people."
 
 
Whisky Priestess
13:20 / 10.07.06
A bit like Big Brother, I've always thought ...
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
19:00 / 10.07.06
The Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu is set in hell, as the title suggests, and is particularly significant as it was the book plaigarised to form large portions of 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion', still accepted as fact in many parts of the world.
 
 
Princess
08:19 / 11.07.06
I always liked Marlowe's "Doctor Faustus".

Mephostophilis- So now Faustus, ask me what thou wilt.

Faustus- First I will question with thee about hell.
Tell me, where is the place that men call hell?

Mephostophilis- Under the heavens.

Faustus- Ay, so are all things else, but whereabouts?

Mephostophilis- Within the bowels of these elements
Where we are tortured and remain forever.
Hell hath no limits nor is circumscribed
In one self place, but where we are is hell,
And where hell is there must we ever be.
And to be short, when all the world dissolves
And every creature shall be purified
All places shall be hell that is not heaven!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:58 / 13.07.06
Sax -- mind if I ask what the reason behind the "sojourn into hell" is?
 
 
Sax
07:37 / 14.07.06
Cheap, lazy research for my next novel. And thanks to everyone for all their suggestions - lots of good reading there for me to go at.
 
 
Gendudehashadenough
05:17 / 25.07.06
Check out The Encyclopedia of Hell by Miriam Van Scott. It contains entries from just about everything mentioned in this thread so far. Also, No Exit by Sartre. Hell is really a reality show with no eliminations! Now, where are my actors?

Anyone ever seen this performed, btw?
 
 
Sax
11:54 / 26.07.06
Cheers, chuck.
 
 
illmatic
13:16 / 02.08.06
Sax, I've just finished Beyond Black, by Hilary Mantel. It's a phenomenal book, one of the best novels I've read for a long time. It isn't directly about Hell, but she touches on it in two ways:

Firstly, she describes those who may or may not be Hell's inhabitants. I don't want to say anymore as I don't want to spoil the plot for anyone who might read it. And secondly, she paints the life of developed suburban Britain as a kind of hell... the sprawl of motorways, Beefeaters, mortages, Sainsbury's ready meals. Not in a sneering way either, I think there's something very convincing in her descriptions.

An extract from the opening:

Travelling: the dank oily days after Christmas. The motorway, its wastes looping London: the margin's scrub grass flaring orange in the lights, and the leaves of the poisoned shrubs striped yellow-green like a cantaloupe melon. Four o'clock: light sinking over the orbital road. Teatime in Enfield, night falling on Potters Bar.

The images perhaps resonant more if you live in or around London, but it's great writing nonetheless.
 
 
ephemera
13:35 / 03.08.06
(Woo, first post!)

You might try Season of Mists by Neil Gaiman, a graphic novel set in and around Hell, in which Lucifer looks endearingly like David Bowie.
 
  
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