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Cure For Aids?

 
 
robot
14:07 / 19.06.06
Hello there Barbeloids! I wanted to ask for your help in doing a little research. A few years ago a friend of mine passed along some information about a possible "suppressed" cure for HIV/AIDS. I didn't really give it much thought until one of my friends had a health scare and I went back to look for the information. I was hoping all you smarties could take a closer look at some of this documentation, especially the patent, and tell me what you think.

The quick version of the story goes as follows:

Two researches in 1990 came up with the idea of applying low electrical currents to blood to kill the HIV virus. The result: wholesale viral death and no harm done to the blood cells. They tried it on people via a pacemaker-like implant. It apparently worked and they got national press about their discovery. They were issued a patent. Nothing is ever heard from them or about their research again. Utilizing the public patent, another doctor invents something that accomplished the same thing but without having to implant the device. He claims the same results occur, namely no more HIV and the elimination of the medically downplayed health hazard of blood parasites. He also claims the true cause of cancers and cysts are viruses as well.

Click here for the whole story and the patent and diagrams and all sorts of things I can't understand.

Dr Bob's device that does not need to be implanted.

The reason I’m even giving this a second look is because when people were first describing how HIV works, my first though, even as a kid, was “why don’t they just heat up the blood and kill the virus?” I was told that the heat would kill all the good blood cells and so that wasn’t a good idea. This sounds like the same idea but it utilized electricity which apparently doesn’t kill healthy blood cells. So yeah… sorry if this has been already posted.

You guys are the coolest!
 
 
quixote
20:01 / 20.06.06
I googled "blood electrification" and the only remotely staid reference I found was here on Wikipedia. There's almost nothing on it except the fatal phrase: "no controlled studies." That means there were never any experiments done where half the patients received the electrical treatment (plus standard treatment, since it would be unethical to deprive them of it) and half received only standard treatment. Furthermore, to be valid, the experimenter has to be unaware of which patients are in which group, i.e. it has to be a "double-blind" experiment. The reason for this is because people's capacity to fool themselves, and that includes scientists doing experiments, is infinite.

The lack of controlled studies is why no "respectable" scientist pays any attention. I find it less than confidence inspiring that lots of people, Dr. Beck included, are selling the equipment to carry out the treatment, but nobody can drum up the several thousand dollars needed for a controlled study. This is not a good sign.

As for the theory behind it, that viruses, bacteria or parasites could be selectively destroyed by given frequencies of sound, light, by voltages, and so on, that's entirely possible. I haven't heard of any work like that, but it doesn't sound impossible. (Lasers are being used experimentally to target tumors to which monoclonal antibodies have ferried specific destructive compounds that the laser then activates.) The biggest problem is that living organisms are similar in so many ways that finding selective killers is very difficult. I would expect an electrical current that could kill viruses would also kill lots of essential blood components. One weak enough to leave the blood undamaged would have no effect on a virus.

I'd love to be proven wrong on that, so I wish Beck and Co. would hurry up and get some actual proof.
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
11:39 / 21.06.06
My suspicion is that even if a method can be found of selectively removing viruses (&c.) from blood, there remain enough traces outside of the blood - in other areas of the body - that the person will remain infected. There might be some 'whole-body' method of attacking a particular molecule or part of molecule by exposing the person to a certain frequency, but I'd be surprised if the energies needed wouldn't fry the recipient, which might be too drastic a cure to be desirable.
 
 
Red Concrete
18:52 / 21.06.06
HIV in particular has a tendency to incorporate its DNA into your own, so the whole virus can be completely eliminated from your body, and still remerge.

In fact, it does this using the reverse transcriptase enzyme, which appears to be downregulated by this electrical treatment. But I'm not sure I'd trust the limited experiments done (there appears to be one peer-reviewed paper published, but I can't even get the abstract... )
 
 
neuepunk
19:19 / 21.06.06
Sounds like a fundamental misunderstanding of what a virus is and how it works. It's not a small parasite that lives in your blood that could be killed by electric shock. It's a symbiotic form of life (or non-life, depending on your definition) that integrates with a host cell's DNA to reproduce and infect other cells. In other words, unless the virus DNA significantly changes the electrical properties of the infected cell to the point where a current would somehow destroy some cells but not others, this theory is complete pseudoscience and snake oil.
 
 
Shrug
23:35 / 21.06.06
I'm really not sure about a supressed cure but there is this.

Emory Vaccine Centre Link here.

The basic facts being that the vaccine prevented AIDS in monkeys and is undergoing clinical trials on humans at the moment.
 
  
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