BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


Can't Get No

 
 
sn00p
09:51 / 16.06.06
Did anyone pick this up this week?

"Reeling from the financial collapse of his business. Chad Roe descends into a night of debauchery only to wake up a literal marked man. Covered in a ful body permanent marker tattoo. But when his lost weekend blends into the bright tuesday morning of september 11, 2001, his life changes forever. Instead of picking up the pieces. Chad takes to the road desperatly searching for salvation in the shell-shocked heart of amaerica."

It really is amazing. It's this smooth combination of narative artwork and poetry.

It really strikes a cord with me, as i feel like i grew up in the post 9/11 world. It also has a strong reference to Burning man, if anyone is into that...

So has anyone else read it?
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
12:10 / 16.06.06
VERY pleased that someone brought this up. I've long been a fan of his work and even corresponded with Rick a bit (he's very approachable).

There is a very nice cheaper limited edition version for sale , signed by Rick with a nice tipped in color plate.

Just an FYI for ant Veitch fans out there.
 
 
sn00p
15:16 / 16.06.06
So i could have gotten the novel, and signed artwork, for less money? Man that's depressing.

Does anybody know of anything else Rick has done that's good?
 
 
FinderWolf
15:19 / 16.06.06
I saw this in the store, was interested to check it out, and had to leave the comic shop in a hurry as they were closing in 5 minutes. Glad to hear this is good and will check it out soon...
 
 
FinderWolf
15:26 / 16.06.06
Veitch wrote & drew BratPack, a story satirizing superhero sidekicks...it seems fun, I've never read it. He also did a cool-looking series for Epic waaaay back in the 80s called The One, and a miniseries called The MaxiMortal, which I don't know a darn thing about.

He also wrote Swamp Thing right after Alan Moore, putting in a nifty time travel story where Swampy used The Green to travel through time and meet DC's back-then-very-neglected historical figures like The Viking Prince, Shining Knight (pre-7 Soliders of course), and many others...DC drew the line when Veitch wanted to have Swampy go back to Biblical times and not only meet Jesus Christ but *be* the wood in the cross/tree Christ was crucified on. DC said the story was too risky, would offend readers, get them in trouble, etc. and Veitch quit over it.
 
 
Mr Tricks
15:51 / 16.06.06
Was tempted to pick it up but haven't.

So how does this tie into Burningman?

What's the significance of the lead character's appearance?

Now that it's 2006 how does this story relate to the events of some 5 years ago?

I remember THE ONE and another favorate was THE NAZ (i think it was called), however I was rather dissapointed with his Aquaman run. So I'm on the fence with this book.

How about that format. Does it resonate with the story or was it an arbitrary choice?
 
 
electric monk
16:15 / 16.06.06
I think The Naz was Tom Veitch. Maybe.

Is this the place to rattle on about the Maximortal, et al, or should we start a new thread?
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:23 / 16.06.06
new thread? or a Veitch based thread?
 
 
Jack Fear
16:47 / 16.06.06
I think The Naz was Tom Veitch.

Correct. Written by Tom Veitch with art by Bryan (LUTHER ARKWRIGHT, TALE OF ONE BAD RAT) Talbot.

Also: NAZZ, with two z's.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
17:14 / 16.06.06
monk: I say go for it, but I'm just one man... one man with a dream.

Just to get it started, if I may...

Heartburst is his first Marvel work and one of the most 'Heavy Metal'-esque comics they've ever done. Worth a look and easy to find cheap. Fantastic colors.

I vaguely remember reading some of his Abraxas and the Earthman as a teenager. It's a sci-fi epic with lots of disturbing visuals and brilliant colors. Veitch is collecting it soon with a rumored new set of chapters.

Maximortal is very good. It's a meta text about the creation of the Superman comic and the creation of a real Superman. Very sick sense of humor, incredibly worth the ride.

Bratpack is after Maximortal and part of the King Hell line. It's exactly what it says on the packet. The precursor of self-aware and darkly poignant takes on superheoes that we take for granted now... also the best take on that idea.

The One is my least favorite but still quite good. Veitch writes very rich characters and very horrifying situations. One of the most important aspects of the One is the design aspect of the covers which mimic consumer products.

His run of Swamp Thing is absolutely amazing... rumors abounded the last few years that DC is considering printing his controversial last issue that featured Swamp Thing as the cross Christ is nailed into.

I really enjoyed his run on Aquaman which attempted to inject some new kind of mythology and meaning into the character... which did not take and was rejected more or less.

His Rare Bit Fiends comic should sit on everyone's shelf. It's a series collecting comics based on dreams.

Greyshirt is for me the best of Alan Moore's ABC series. It mimics Will Eisner's Spirit with unique storytellinmg techniques, statements on existence and warped narratives that step in and out of the comic panel (much like what Grant did in Animal Man).

I never did get to read all of his Question series but the first two issues seemed great.

Missed many details buit I'm at work and just trying to get the ball rolling here on discussing Veitch...
 
 
FinderWolf
17:29 / 16.06.06
How about just re-titling this thread "Can't Get No...and other works of Rick Veitch" now for organizational purposes?
 
 
sn00p
19:56 / 16.06.06
We'll the guy ends up in an art festival very similar to burning man, and a burning man kind of ritual takes place in this theme park, and also i think it was comparing the burning man ritual to the two towers.

I think it works better that it happened five years ago, the 9/11 thing is kind of in the background, but the influence is still there, kind of how it is now.

The format works very well, it works out that each page is a specific moment and a "verse" of poetry.
 
 
electric monk
20:48 / 16.06.06
Awesome. Thanks for starting it up, Six. I'll have something to add soon. I need to sit and ponder a bit.

Jack Fear! Thankzz.
 
 
Mark Parsons
22:52 / 16.06.06
Rick's company KING HELL is reprinting ABRAXAS & THE EARTHMAN soon, followed by much of his other Heavy Metal & Epic work.

I love THE ONE, which was published in color by Marvel Epic (can you believe how rad that was) then in b/w by KING HELL.

I'd rate his non-DC work as by far his best stuff and I'd second the rave recommendation for RAREBIT FIENDS, which is available in two tpb's (not the full run alas). CAN'T GET NO seems somewhat in the Rarebit vein (bough it, haven't yet read it).

Over on Comicon, Veitch indicated that it is POSSIBLE that DC might reprint his infamous "SWAMP THING meets Jesus" story, which was intended to conclude his long time ravel story sequence of issues. DC got cold feet due in part to the impending release of Burton's BATMAN movie and they yanked the issue after script approved & pencil art finished. Even more tragically, Neil Gaiman and Jamie Delano were all set to follow Veitch's run, but they both begged off in support of RV's creative vision. Gaiman did a great SWAMP THING short story that was to lead into his run: it’s a magical & frustrating taste of what might have been (in the Midnight Whatsimahoosis tpb miscellany of gaiman's DC work) as the character soon went down the toilet until Millar concluded the series second run in (some) style.

Anyway, Veitch is awesome. Maybe he'll get to complete the King Hell Heroica Story Cycle one day...
 
 
electric monk
23:59 / 18.06.06
His run of Swamp Thing is absolutely amazing... rumors abounded the last few years that DC is considering printing his controversial last issue that featured Swamp Thing as the cross Christ is nailed into.

If this happens, I hope Veitch get scads and scads of money for it.

On Bratpack: I pulled the TPB off my shelf for the first time in a long time this weekend. Reading it, I was astounded to find that I had either forgotten its raw, hammer-punch of a delivery or had never really taken it all in before now. It's the blackest of black comedies and the book declares itself so in the first pages. Even the first cover, featuring Chippy shaving his legs and opening a waterfall of a gash in his calf, stood out on those long ago comic shop shelves of 1992. It declared proudly, "You don't come in here to fuck around You come in here to get fucked with." Thus began the Bratpack.

It's important to remember, when approaching Bratpack, just what was going on in comics at the time. Robin had just died at the hands of the Joker with Batman's readership egging him on, and Veitch had walked away from DC in protest over the Swamp Thing #88 fiasco. You can see in these pages the anger Veitch felt at the whole damn industry. And when he unleashes it, he uses both barrels. And he keeps on firing.

One cannot just waltz into Bratpack. Defenses must be readied, stomachs strengthened. Rick Veitch was, at this time, the epitome of the Angry Young Man. Within these pages are all manner of atrocity and they are never flinched from. Nothing in the book is implied or hidden from view. When acid-carved undead corpses enter the frame, they ENTER THE FRAME and present themselves in their dribbly glory. When a character coughs up blood, it is a torrent of gore, an ill tide glimmering on the lips of a madman. And make no mistake. Every character you meet in Bratpack is a damaged, twisted thing. There's not a hero or role model among them. Even the pure, innocent Cody, choir boy and two-time winner of the Zero Tolerance Award, is corrupted in the end. The adult heroes are played at full-tilt as well. Some of the characterization is patently offensive, and yet can't quite be taken seriously. The Midnight Mink, to take the obvious example, flouches about the pages of this book flaunting every gay stereotype known to man. It's awful. It's wrong. It should not be. But, when surrounded by such lunacy, one merely gives up. Midnight Mink is no more horrible a character than Moon Mistress. Or Judge Jury. Or King Rad. They are everything and nothing. The pessimistic extension of all that went before. Fredric Wertham was fucking right!

These characters, every one of them, are Rick Veitch. They are Rick Veitch cut loose from all constraint, all consideration for taste and decorum. This is every bad dream he's had about superheros. This is his chance to wipe them all out. And in the last pages, he does via the deus ex machina reappearance of the Maximortal. Using this superman, Veitch crushes the monstrosities he let loose, and makes room for his next target: Wesley Winston.

The black and whitie inkwash employed by Veitch on the mini-series (if inkwash it truly be) is brilliantly used. I have to wonder about the proces used, as I feel that I can see traces of Photoshop work here and there. Matteing, subtle lens flares, these types of things. In any case, it was a good choice of Veitch's part, as it gives the entirety of Slumburg and all her inhabitants a fine layer of grime. Heroic as they may endeavor to appear, it's never quite convincing what with all the dirt.
 
 
FinderWolf
00:32 / 19.06.06
>> Rick's company KING HELL is reprinting ABRAXAS & THE EARTHMAN soon, followed by much of his other Heavy Metal & Epic work.

Is Bratpack to be reprinted, I wonder...? Or is it still in print?
 
 
Mark Parsons
03:04 / 19.06.06
Bratpack is available on Amazon.com (US), so that's probably a good sign it's till in print.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
04:14 / 19.06.06
Comic shops can still get Bratpack through Diamond.

Abraxas and the Earthmen ran in the old "Epic Magazine", which was Marvel's attempt to do a Heavy Metal type mag, and since it had Archie Goodwin as editor, there was always something good in it. I remember reading Abraxas as a teen and just being blown away by all of the strangeness in the story. If the whole thing came to him in a dream, I wouldn't be a surprised in the least.

I find myself hot and cold with hsi work, though. I didn't care for his Swamp Thing, and soon discovered that I didn't care for the character unless Alan Moore was working on it, but Bratpack is one of best comics I read during the early 90's. I'm tempted to get "Can't Get No", but flipping through it, I wasn't impressed enough to spend the $20. Is it more than another of the "9/11 messed me up" books that are flooding the non-fiction market?

Sell me on this one!
 
 
Janean Patience
20:53 / 26.06.06
I loved Veitch's Swamp Thing back in the day and have even been prepared to argue it was better than Moore's in the past. (Not sure I'm prepared to argue that now, though.)

Approaching the end of Can't Get No and it's really something, extremely weird, very experimental in its own one-track way and kind of a Spirit tribute spliced with the drifting narratives of Rare Bit Fiends, Rick's dream comics. The images are incredible - a September 11 shot from across the water stops the pages turning for minutes - and the narrative even manages to pull the same trick everyone else writing 9/11 fiction has attempted without it being at all predictable. It may well add up to nothing at all, I've still to finish it, but it's an interesting journey.
 
 
Janean Patience
21:26 / 27.06.06
Finished this now, and it's extraordinary. On the face of it, the story's nothing we've not seen before - executive going into meltdown's personal crisis coincides with 9/11, he has a debauched lost weekend (more like three weeks) and comes into contact with all kinds of counterculture people, ending up at a desert festival not unlike Burning Man.

What makes it different is that the story's told entirely visually, in Rick's kinda 1960s style, and the accompanying narrative in captions is both linked and separate from that. It coincides in places, the written and visual narratives synching for a couple of panels, then both veer off in their own directions. The captions have been described as a kind of poetry, but it's not quite like that. Here's an example, chosen at random:

"Behold the sagging sky... How it collapses along a perfect curve... of rising uncertainty.
"Subatomic yeast is fermenting... Possibility is kneaded like ropy dough. Baked into spongy molecular meringue.
"Coughed up like single-celled jellies... twisted and stretched by the rigours of transmigration. Slates wiped clean... of the great salt sac from which they have been expelled.
"Castaways facing our cunning forgery of a world... In which Pandora's Box has been defiled. Her secrets spilled like lamb's pudding on the altar.
"Something Lovecraftian is moving across the sky... Reaching down into our brooding, sleepless lives. Peeling back the scales that cloud every vision."

It's not exactly poetry because it's not exactly poetic. It's very visual writing, switching between allusion, allegory, metaphor, and simile, while bearing little relation to the ongoing visual narrative. The above covers five pages, which go from waves on the Jersey shore to the flotsam of stock certificates washed up. Every couple of pages the captions chase off after a new image, so while each page makes some sense on its own a run of pages has no overall coherence.

That's in captions. Visually, the narrative isn't hard to follow at all. I'd say it's strongly influenced by The Spirit, though obviously on a much larger scale, and the art's lucid, striking and extremely accomplished. There's a sequence where a car passes a tanker, all seen in reflections on the tanker's skin, that's an incredible piece of storytelling. All the while accompanied by these weird, student-poem captions. It's the kind of thing Rick Veitch should have been doing for years, comparable only to his past work, and it's well worth reading.

According to the back page, he's writing and pencilling a new Vertigo ongoing. Have I missed announcements about this?
 
  
Add Your Reply