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I come not to praise Sandi Thom, but possibly to bury her...

 
 
Feverfew
18:13 / 14.06.06
Inspired by the tail-end of the tail-end of the Bad Lyric Planet thread, and to head off such threadrot as was occurring, I thought it might be an idea to open up a debate about Sandi Thom.

I know that there's a great deal of dislike for her. I think I understand why, more than the simple question of "what the hell does she think she's banging on about?"

So, as a preamble, I offer the fact that I get captured by bad songs. Really. They take hold of my brain for whiles at a time; whenever I meet some friends we still reminisce about Middlerow's "Right Proper Charlie", proto-cockney-rap of the worst order, and if we're badly drunk, then the talk may turn to "Me Julie", by Ali G featuring Shaggy. But I shudder to recall that particular effort.

With my background in being captured and captivated by Really Bad Songs, it came as no surprise that Ms Thom's effort occupied my head for about a week before I could shake it off. Still, however, I'm stuck with the problematic statement; "It wasn't that bad, surely?"

To be fair, it's mainly what Legba Rex said at the current end of the thread that intrigued me;

"Songs like this one just occupy negative space. It's not a good song about good things, it's a song about how someone thinks there aren't good things.

And, fortunately or unfortunately depending on your viewpoint, I was then spurred on to contemplating this further. But I didn't want to derail or threadrot the previous Bad Lyrics thread, so, here we are...

On the face of it, Sandi Thom's story does have some mild interest to it. She's a graduate of LIPA, and the story goes that she was signed to "Viking Legacy" by an "Orkney-Based Multi-Millionaire", and also signed up with "Windswept Records", who have some interesting talent on their books.

So far, so Wikipedia. The problem may be that this song stayed in the background from July 2005, when it was apparently played by Johnny Walker and many emailed in to ask for it to be played again. That means that instead of being an interesting new release, it is in fact a fairly normal release/re-release pattern. This in turn throws the entire "Small-time girl makes it big via webcast" relatively into a cocked hat.

See, that's why I wanted to like her. I genuinely love supporting underdogs; for instance, a year ago Tamara Schlesinger self-released an album that was perfectly poppy from her own record label. Since then, not so much going on at Tantrum Records. But with Sandi Thom, there's this element of doubt regarding the veracity of her credentials, and when the boss of RCA steps in you have to wonder about the staged nature of the entire thing. I've been cynical about the Music Industry ever since I stopped reading NME, but there's always a little part of me that wants to believe in the idea of the non-manufactured underdog doing good, and that part might now be irrevocably dashed.

Anyway. Thanks to Legba for the inspiration; I would like to have a go at deconstructing the lyrics, just of the chorus for now, as they stand.

"Oh I wish I was a punk rocker, with flowers in my hair"

Do you really, Sandi? Or is it just a longing to be something different, and this latching onto the idea that punks and hippies and the late sixties/early seventies were somehow cooler than the Noughties?

"In 77 and 69 revolution was in the air"

Well now.

1969; selected events include;

-Open University founded by Jennie Lee
-Maritime Trust "Historic Ship Collection" established on the Thames
-Investiture of Prince Charles as Prince of Wales at Caernarfon Castle
-British troops sent to Northern Ireland to keep the peace
-and London gangsters the Kray twins sentenced to life.
The Who
released Tommy and Led Zeppelin released their self-titled debut album.

Selected news of 1977 includes:
-The Launching of Soyuz 24
-EMI sacking the Sex Pistols
-Hay-on-Wye declaring independence
-The United States Senate hearing on MKULTRA
-Talking Heads release their debut album
-and Nintendo creating Color TV Game 6.


Not greatly or massively revolutionary, even if that's not the greatest sampling of two entire years. But, I'll let you off, Ms Thom, for trying to half-heartedly and ham-fistedly evoke a different, more innocent era, where you could leave your doors unlocked and everyone knew each other.

"I was born too late into a world that doesn't care"

Now, this is the even more half-hearted invocation. It's not that the world doesn't care any more. The eighties, for all the cocaine-and-braces, didn't suddenly make people's hearts hard. The nineties didn't turn us all into automatons, unfeeling and uncaring toiling machines in the state's cogs. People are still people the world over; some are full of love and the desire to help, and some are not. It's not that they don't care, it's just that... Lord, stop me before I descend any further.

"Oh, I wish I was a punk rocker with flowers in my hair"

Be fair now. This is the line that people hate the most, in my experience. Some say, very simply, that Punk Rockers didn't wear flowers in their hair, and this is a very valid criticism. Or maybe a slapdash attempt at a koan. Again, with the half-hearted invocation; if you'd just written a song called "I wish it was twenty years ago / before music became boring like it is now / and the world was different somehow / but I'm too young to know about this romanticised age" then it might not have sold, but at least it would have been more true.

I'm not sure I've articulated quite why Sandi Thom has the potential to annoy me so greatly. I think this might have come off more as a Reader's Submission to Melody Maker, but my question is; without going too far into expletives, and with a little more definition than "well, she's just ballacks, isn't she?", what is it precisely that people find so, so, truly irritating about "Oh, I wish I was a punk rocker..."?

In closing - if this was a genuine 'underdog makes good with a little bit of ingenuity and pluck' story, then I personally would have a bit more sympathy. But it's not - or if it is, the record company have seriously ballsed the PR. So I don't hate the song, or the artist, for the lyrics; I just don't like the falseness of it, the disingenuity behind persuading the entire listening public that if you hold concerts in your cellar, then people will come to listen... Anyone else have any thoughts?
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
20:43 / 14.06.06
The only sane explanation for Sandi Thom is that she comes from a timeline that went backwards. Hence "77 and 69" (which she probably experienced in that order), and her contention that she was "born too late", rather than, as any wannabe-cultural-revolutionary would usually attest, "too early"...

Either that, or she's making (or is being used as) a really crap attempt at satire of both the punk and hippy movements. But frankly, i prefer the former explanation...
 
 
All Acting Regiment
08:01 / 15.06.06
The first and foremost problem is that, regardless of the details, she's harking back to some form of "the good old days". Not the personal good old days- we all remember a good relationship etc that we wish we could go back to- but society and culture's good old days. Which, trust me, never existed. We've lost some good things that we used to have but that doesn't mean the past was all good.

So it's reactionary, first of all. Daily Mail. Also mythical, because she wasn't around then. This shows up in the fact that she's not recalling one specific era with specific reference points (cf Iggy's Dum Dum boys, Reed's Berlin)- she's mixing and matching two very different ones into a biege goodwill paste.

The second problem is that she's playing along with a myth about the music scene of those days that is, mostly, bollox. Pop music seems to be good when creating a myth (e.g. Ziggy Stardust/Punk) or destroying one (e.g. Punk/Ziggy Stardust)- not when reinforcing a boring, after-the-event concept.

It's weird- she's simultaneously removing any element of challenge or danger or excitement there might have been in the music of the 60s and 70s through extreme twee, whilst also venerating them as "the real thing"- pure rockism, setting them as a gold standard form which we have fallen.
 
 
illmatic
09:29 / 15.06.06
So it's reactionary, first of all. Daily Mail

I don't agree with that. For the Mail, it all started going wrong with the 60s. From then, the inevitable decline into the asylum seeking, benefit sponging single parent hellhole we live in today. Tebbit made a really choice quote about the "third rate" decade which I can't quite recall.

This shouldn't be taken as a defence of Sandi, btw. Still not heard the record, but doubt I'll like it.
 
 
ostranenie
10:40 / 15.06.06
I think she is describing a Daily-Mailish golden age, though. The fact that she thinks it was at its height in the 60s is just more evidence of how clueless she is.

I'm probably taking this too seriously, but gah, the assumption that there was a lovely time in the recent past when everything was fluffy and children respected their elders, and complete ignorance of history, are two of my least favourite things in the whole world. I recently had a student who had never heard of nuclear bombs or Hiroshima. Gaaaaah.

(And then I was talking about the Cold War and how the US and the USSR had arsenals of nuclear warheads pointed at each other, and she looked at me dreamily and said "So, did they go off?" Argh stabbity killy rage.)
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
11:19 / 15.06.06
I recently had a student who had never heard of nuclear bombs or Hiroshima. Gaaaaah.
I wonder how many people realise the true scale of the potential Apocalypse? There are twenty thousand (at least) nuclear weapons in the world (the overwhelming majority being in the stockpiles of the USA and Russia; other nuclear nations pale by comparison), and about two thousand have been used over the years. Still, it'd be a lovely world if no-one had heard of nuclear weapons...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:43 / 15.06.06
"Daily Mail" is probably not quite right here, it's true. The nostalgic reactionaries who burble on about the permissive society that started in the 1960s are by and large a different group of nostalgic reactionaries to the ones who burble on about how proper music is dead these days because everyone is shallow and too busy downloading manufactured reality pop onto their iPods... Although there can be some overlap.

ostranenie is right to make a connection, I think - my own take on this is that there is a continually ongoing process whereby successive generations adopt the same nostalgic reactionary mindset, and only the dates and details change. So, y'know, at one time there was no such myth as the Golden Age of Hip Hop because hip hop was so new and scary that it had to be universally decried. By the early-to-mid 1990s, the Golden Age of Hip Hop myth had been developed, because hip hop had been around long enough for it to happen - I Wish I Was An Old Skool Breakdancer With Real Beats In My Hair, let's take it back to those concrete streets, or something. Now it's 2006, and enough time has passed the hip hop of the early-to-mid 1990s has become mythologised for some people, when compared with the hip hop of today. I go on about this quite a lot but only because it's demonstrated to me that this process can still happen in my lifetime, even though I never quite thought I'd see it happen back in 1996 given how it was the new rap music of the time that was being demonised by the people who only listened to Jurassic 5 and OLD SKOOL FUNKY BREAKS. Oh, and equally, various well-respected music bloggers and former ravers have managed to turn the exciting, establishment-scaring dance music of the late-80s/very-early-90s into just another fusty old canon which has to be revered and to which new music just doesn't compare because it doesn't have the soul, zzzzz...

Where was I?

The important thing to realise about Sandi Thom, aside from the fact that her music is 100% pernicious, is that the ghastly lyrics to 'I Wish I Was An Old Codger With Very Little Hair' and the image/backstory that goes with her (not to mention that fucking album title*) are all part of the same package. As you say, Feverfew, the idea of her as "Small-time girl makes it big via webcast" is a big pile of powdered monkey cock, snorted up the nose of the more credulous elements of the British media and public. That "little part of [you] that wants to believe in the idea of the non-manufactured underdog doing good" is as easy to sell to as, say, the little part of you that wants to see very pretty boys and/or girls in flattering outfits dancing well - I'd say it was even easier, since people tend to be less aware or suspicious right now regarding whether they're being sold to on the basis of 'authenticity'. In fact currently they're lapping it up, with decidedly mixed results: the Arctic Monkeys aren't bad but have been laden with a heavy albatross, and as for James fucking Blunt - he is the Antichrist. Hopefully the extent of this latest obsession will pass as just another phase in a cycle that is probably influenced by sunspots, or something. I don't mind pop stars who peddle myths about themselves as long as they're interesting ones...

But, I'll let you off, Ms Thom, for trying to half-heartedly and ham-fistedly evoke a different, more innocent era, where you could leave your doors unlocked and everyone knew each other.

I really do feel very strongly that this is the last thing we should let her or anyone else off for! Nostalgia of this kind generally needs to be actively ahistorical in order to exist. What Sandi Thom stands for is, above all else, ignorance.

*Smile... It Confuses People - because in today's modern world people are too busy frowning and you will MESS with their alienated conformist MINDS if you smile at them, DO YOU SEE?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
12:07 / 15.06.06
The title of her album is essentially a great potential internet username (and possibly has been in the past, I just know I've seen something almost precisely the same) for young impressionable girls who have just got their first piercing and are considering dying their hair black or something, and decrying those *mainstream* movies and going on about Requiem for a Dream. Y'know, because they're different.

This is why she will be richer than you or I.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:10 / 15.06.06
Nah, I don't think they'd dye their hair black and be into drug-porn, dude. That's so negative! And they wouldn't necessarily be girls, either.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
12:17 / 15.06.06
I knew you'd say that.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
12:44 / 15.06.06
While I think you're right that most Daily Mail nostalgia demonises the 60s where Thom is largely doing the opposite, I used the phrase because if you look at some of the things she actually says, the same things could be said by Daily Mail about the 50s, such as:

We now live in a world that doesn’t care

Care about what, exactly? Thom may be saying we don't care about revolution, but that isn't made clear- the "care" in this case is so abstract that it might as well be the "care" that the Daily Mail thinks has stopped being paid to morals and started being spent on Asylum seekers.

and the super info highway was still drifting out in space

The internet is evil!

kids were wearing hand me downs

They were happy to be poor! They didn't go and steal or demand the taxpayer's money!

and playing games meant kick arounds

Back before bloody health and safety spoilt our games of "beat the pooftah"!/Men are now weak because they aren't allowed to be violent by the Nanny State.

Of course there are other lines, like the one about anarchy, that are very much not DM fodder.
 
 
ostranenie
13:45 / 15.06.06
Hmm, I thought the 'playing games' line meant that in the past, playing games meant playing sport / good wholesome fun, rather than manipulating people and messing with their heads, as everyone does in the Evil Noughties.
 
 
Feverfew
19:17 / 15.06.06
I thought "playing games..." referred to going out and playing in the fields as opposed to consoles and computers, because, y'know, sunlight's healthy and all that.

I don't like the term "Daily Mail" because it is a horrendously efficient catchall - it's descriptive of a lot of derogatory things, but some are fairer than others. "...Punk Rocker" isn't entirely "Daily Mail" over and above the sense of "Wasn't the past better?", as has been said above.

The question for me is why, exactly, my dislike for this song is slowly growing. I admit it; on first few listens, I actually liked the simplicity, and the lyrics washed over me for a while. However, on analysis they don't stand up, even remotely. The line "When computers were still scary" is silly for a musician that made her fame from webcasts, as is the aforementioned "and the super info highway was still drifting out in space".

I want to do a line-by-line breakdown of the entire song, but it's just, somehow, not worth the stress. I do agree with Suedey's thoughts, however, about the concepts behind the name of the album.

To turn it around; what exactly should music be nostalgic for currently, if anything? What parts of the past are worth invoking? Where did Ms Thom go so horribly wrong, and is anything salvageable from all this?

Or am I just gesticulating into space?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
19:58 / 15.06.06
What parts of the past are worth invoking?

The cool parts!
 
 
Alex's Grandma
00:27 / 16.06.06
Well, all right, the dates are perhaps a bit off - it should arguably be '76 and 67,' or whichever way round it is, but maybe that didn't scan, and I can see what Thom's trying to do here.

He's trying to tell us that he wishes he was happy, and that he wishes it was the Sixties, and that he wishes, he wishes, he wishes that something would HAPPEN!

That's not a bad thing to write a song about, is it?

Or have I overdone the red/blue (I can never remember) pills again?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:15 / 16.06.06
To turn it around; what exactly should music be nostalgic for currently, if anything? What parts of the past are worth invoking?

Music should never be nostalgic: it can invoke the past, learn from the past, be inspired by the past, rip off the past even, just as long as it never does so with reverence.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
09:30 / 16.06.06
Sandi Thom's a lass, Alex's Grandma.

I can see what Thom's trying to do here.

He's trying to tell us that he wishes he was happy, and that he wishes it was the Sixties, and that he wishes, he wishes, he wishes that something would HAPPEN!

That's not a bad thing to write a song about, is it?


But looked at from all angles, that suggests there's nothing exciting going on today. Like I said, negative space. Complaining about boring in a boring fashion for boring people who only see boring.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:50 / 16.06.06
Alex's Grandma is confusing Sandi Thom with her brother, Thom Yorke, and the lyrics to his song 'The Bends', Legba. Perhaps she is doing this deliberately, because she is not a serious person.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
14:33 / 16.06.06
Filthy bastards...especially the one with the knitting.
 
 
Sniv
15:01 / 16.06.06
I'm glad this has come to Barbelith's attention, as this song has been making me spit teeth since I first saw the advert on prime-time telly some weeks ago.

The main reson I don't like this song, apart from all of the opinions given upthread, is this: one of the best thing abouts today's world and music-culture, without a doubt, is that you can be a punk with hippy vibes. Shit, that's the style that all of my friends are into. My partner especially thinks nothing of blending one with the other. Musically too, this is an era where musical boundaries are, if not torn down then at least easier to surmount. If she wants to be this impossible mythical beast, why doesn't she shut the fuck up with her insipid, Guardian-reader revolution of bullshit and make something different. Ugh, fuck her and her poor grasp of the possibilities.

Oh, and who trusts anything that's advertised as being from teh Undergrahnd and is advertised between 9-10 in the evening? Isn't that the big-money-mega-mainstream-power-hour?

I'm inspired though, I'm off to strum my acoustic guitar on the street and then gob at passers by.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
17:11 / 16.06.06
Indeed, quite an explosion...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:47 / 22.06.06
Worth noting that another song on Sandi Thom's debut album is entitled "When Horsepower Meant Just What it Said", or something to that effect.

So, not content with wishing to turn back time to 1969, she is now proposing that we revert to a point before the invention of the internal combustion engine. Not even Paul Weller ever suggested that.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
17:08 / 22.06.06
What Haus said.

Also, there's so much assumed bullshit in the horsepower song...she seems to be asking: how dare they name an arbitray unit of measurement after an animal or object and then apply it to situations where that animal might not be present?1?!!

So, Sandi, what happens when you say someone's seven feet tall, or talk abount the second hand, or say you'll keep your eye on something? Are you in fact "Mister Logic" of Viz fame?

Does she really not understand that horsepower was never applied to horses? By definition the term requires a speed to have been reached that is more powerful than a horse. Horses aren't ever measured in horsepower, they're measured in horse!

And...oh, I've covered this already.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:42 / 22.06.06
I was thinking of a variant on this, certainly. One can tell the horsepower of a wagon by looking to see how many horses there are at the front of it.

Speaking of the lyrics:

Caught in the gridlock nose to tail across all lanes
Smog nearly chocking me as the car horns go insane
Patiently waiting to get their old jobs backs
Carrying the human race proudly on their backs

How easily forgotten,
How easily we're led
How hard the path is trodden
From when horsepower meant what it said

I've got a hundred horses hidden in between my wheels
but i can't put my foot down and jumped the fences in the field
Patiently waiting to get their old jobs back

How easily forgotten,
How easily we're led
How hard the path is trodden
From when horsepower meant what it said

And if we're keeping up with progress why am i standing still
maybe we should take a walk and talk to the horses on the hill

How easily forgotten,
How easily we're led
How hard the path is trodden
From when horsepower meant what it said

How hard the path is trodden
from when horsepower meant what it said


I particularly like the final couplet. Surely, if the point is that horses have been abandoned by a foolish world, then the path must be heavily tyre-marked, rather than trodden. Unless a very heavy man was walking to his car. But than, if the man was very heavy, maybe it's for the best that he isn't on a horse.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:54 / 22.06.06
It's reading lyrics like that that make me wish for the return of Jethro Tull.

And that's not something I wish for lightly.
 
 
Jackie Susann
03:05 / 26.08.06
When I first read this thread, I'd never heard Sandi Thom and the lyrics seemed, like, bad, but not bad enough to deserve this level of hate.

Well, the song has just come out in Australia. AND NOW I UNDERSTAND.

But the thing about this song I love is, from now I am going to torment my punkrocker housemate constantly by singing the chorus at him.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
08:38 / 26.08.06
Reading this thread has been a wonderful therapeutic release for me, as the first posts comprehensively expressed everything I've been storming internally about Sandi Thom, and the subsequent contributions just confirmed and consolidated my first impression of her.

I had no idea about this "Horsepower" song, but it shows how deep her badness runs ~ as if, in the courtroom of taste, I'd witnessed her committing a petty crime, wanted to throw the book at her but wondered if she deserved it, then learned she had 1,265 other offences on her rap sheet.
 
 
Ganesh
09:29 / 26.08.06
She just needs an allusion to capital punishment now, and the Daily Express would clasp her to its bosom.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:51 / 26.08.06
When you could sing baa baa black sheep in peace
And they didn't call the thought police
When 911 still meant the cops and Muslims didn't ride on planes
They chopped nonces' balls off with a knife
For paedos, life really meant life
When Rotten sang with Bowie, and the crowd cheered Dylan's name
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:50 / 10.01.07
Oh Christ. Top of the Pops Christmas Special. On video.

It. Happened. Again.
 
 
Lugue
09:03 / 11.01.07
And that justifies bumping the thread and reminding people who have to put up with no such thing about that fucking product of the devil?

This merits banning.
 
 
Feverfew
17:25 / 11.01.07
Now now.

Follow the example of the Home Office, who are aiming to be "Creating a Just, Tolerant Society".

Need I point out the semantic error?
 
  
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