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matthew.
18:00 / 09.06.06
1) What is the most overall scariest horror film you've ever seen? And why?

2) Which film produced the best jump-out-of-your-seat-gasp moment? (The small moment)

3) Which film produced the best creeping, never-ending, tense feeling? (The long moment)

4) Which film did you find scary long ago now laughable?

Let's please keep it on-topic within the horror film genre and try to avoid painfully obvious jokes about other films being unintentionally scary (like Man Without a Face starring Mel Gibson or Gigli starring Bennifer)

Unless, you can make some sort of a case for a film outside the horror genre that has scared you in a similar way to a horror film. In other words, let's discuss genre classification alongside scaring the shit out of you.

Links:
-Horror Film or Just Horrific (Prolly the most relevant thread)
-Horror Movie Monsters
-Genre Classification in Fiction (Books)
-Ethnicity and genre (Books)
-Atomic Horror.
-Dario Argento
-Proper Horror (Books)


By the way, here's a great synopsis of horror narrative from grant found here:
The imagery is transgressive. It deals with violation of boundaries -- of bodies (slasher film) or of biological categories (creature film), of social taboos (what happens to the kids who go all the way when the psycho's on the loose?) and of the fabric of reality (the Other that comes From Beyond).

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* A violation. (The saucer crash in The Thing, the journey to Transylvania in Dracula.)

* The victimization of the innocent & the spread of evil/transgression. (The Thing starts chomping up scientists in their lab, Dracula starts flitting around London... turning other people into vampires.)

* Illumination of the nature of evil/transgressive element. (It's a vegetable/shapeshifter! He's a vampire!)

* The status quo reasserts itself, but does so in an uneasy fashion, involving sacrifice and ambiguity. (We've killed it, but we don't know if there are more Things out there. Thanks to Mina's selflessness, the vampire is dead for good this time... we think.)
 
 
Malio
18:35 / 09.06.06
Salem's Lot caused me to have to sleep at the foot of my Mum & Dad's bed at the age of 12 when it was shown on TV in the UK around the mid 80s.

The one scene that sent me nuts was the vampire boy floating up to his pal's bedroom window and beckoning him to open it. I spent a fair few months in OCD hell persuading myself that if I was brave enough to open my bedroom window 3 times before going to sleep I might just survive the night...

I feel slightly ashamed that although it was an 18 certificate on original release it's long since been downgraded to a 15. I saw it again years later and pished myself at what a daft wee fanny I'd been.
 
 
■
20:19 / 09.06.06
Ooh, good thread idea. The only thing that springs to mind is the awfulness of Jeremy Irons whimpering "Elly... Elly?" when he realises what he has done in Dead Ringers. Simultaneously horrific and sad, it has stayed with me for a good decade since I last saw it. Makes me want to phone my brother every time I think about it.
Will think of more later.
 
 
Evil Scientist
21:03 / 09.06.06
Audition's nasty.

Combines my fear of being tied up and tortured by a cute girl with my fantasy of being tied up and tortured by a cute girl.

Seriously though. Blair Witch Project is one that I always feel a little uncomfortable watching. The overwhelming sense of doom, the lack of CGI nasties, the whacky packages being left outside tents.
 
 
enrieb
21:08 / 09.06.06
When I was a kid that scene in Salem's Lot terrified me also, I was so scared that when I had to go to bed I drew a big crucifix on my bedroom wall to protect me. (Oh the shame).

I will make an attempt to answer the questions at the start of the thread.

1)Scariest horror film I have seen would probably have to be Alien, it's the way that they HAVE to land on the planet against their will, they HAVE to investigate the signal or lose all pay, they HAVE to allow it on board because of the science officer and so on. There are no 'don't go into the cellar' moments in the film and that feeling of being trapped,constricted,forced is what is so scary (that and the chest bursting bit)

2)Best jump-out-of-your-seat-gasp-moment? If it's not the chest bursting in Alien then it has to be The Ring when IT happens, you know the scene, I won't spoil it for anybody who has not seen it. I also got rather disturbed when watching Event Horizon, it's not a great film but when they decode the video message, It really made me feel quite wobbly and even as a grown up I had to get up and turn the light on.

3)best creeping, never-ending, tense feeling? Again the two above films The Blair Witch was quite good but the ending just didnt do anything for me.

4)Which film did you find scary long ago now laughable?The old 70/80s zombie and slasher movies just don't even make me blink these days, there was a time as a kid I found them a bit scary but now it seems comical.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:25 / 09.06.06
Again the two above films The Blair Witch was quite good but the ending just didnt do anything for me.

It tends to divide people, that one. I thought it was fucking incredible- espeically the ending! The shot where









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Josh is standing in the corner absolutely freaked the living shit out of me the first time I saw it.












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The twins in the Shining always freak me, too.

Scariest film overall, though? Hmm. The Shinin'g definitely in the top 10, and seems to have the rare quality of rewatchable scariness. Doesn't matter how many times I see it, it still works.

The first half of Lost Highway I'd class as horror (and as a film in its own right. Am I cheating? I think I'm cheating. Oops!) and that's also pretty damn sinister.
 
 
Spaniel
21:55 / 09.06.06
I'm no sure if you're cheating, but Lost Highway deffo stretches the definition of horror.

That said...

"Give me my phone back!"

One of the scariest, bestest scenes evar! committed to film.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:04 / 09.06.06
That's why I said the first half- the second half I wouldn't say was horror, but the portion leading up to Renee's murder does it for me. And it's all about the violation- the videos, the intruder, the suspicions of infidelity...

...but yes, it probably stretches the definition a little. But for me it works on a horror movie level. (Not dissing the rest of the movie at all- it's probably my favourite Lynch move, and I love the guy- I just think only the first half really applies. Though there are some fucking scary scenes later on).
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:22 / 09.06.06
The Ring. There's something about the combination of language barrier and the way that the images play out that left me absolutely certain that if I saw the content of the video the curse would come upon me. For months afterwards I couldn't watch a fuzzy screen without feeling a sense of impending doom. There isn't a single moment in the film that I would characterise as relief and it really plays on normal things that you have in your home as having an underlying sinister element.
 
 
Evil Scientist
22:23 / 09.06.06
If we're bringing Lynch in then Eraserhead made me horribly uncomfortable.

That I watched it as a double-bill with Fire Walk With Me probably didn't help.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:31 / 09.06.06
I agree with you on Ring, Anna- the first time I saw it my phone rang EXACTLY at the end of the footage. Damn near shat my pants.
 
 
Spaniel
22:37 / 09.06.06
Same here.

The pants were pooed.
 
 
Spaniel
22:40 / 09.06.06
I've said it before but I think it should to be said again: scary movies should always be watched on your lonesome if you're after a proper assessment of their scariness.

Proclaiming a movie "unscary" after having it mediated through your drunken mates just won't do, as far as I'm concerned.
 
 
MacDara
23:03 / 09.06.06
It probably isn't 'scary' by most people's standards, but John Carpenter's The Thing completely creeped me out in a bad way. I'll never watch it again; there's just something really disturbing about that movie to me. Especially THAT scene (you know the one, rib-cage teeth and spider head and all that).

Another film that similary disturbed/disturbs me was/is Robocop. Don't laugh. That scene when ED-209 is unveiled is just a masterstroke of creepiness. I don't know whether it's the sinister stop-motion animation or the general aura of impending carnage, but it does its job perfectly -- and I can't bring myself to watch it. It's just 'wrong'.
 
 
Spaniel
23:08 / 09.06.06
Courage of your convictions, my friend. The Thing is not only great body horror, but great paranoid horror with apocalyptic fun thrown in.

And Ed 209, is proper nasty.
 
 
Spaniel
23:09 / 09.06.06
"Put down your weapon! You have 20 seconds to comply"
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:14 / 09.06.06
I've said it before but I think it should to be said again: scary movies should always be watched on your lonesome if you're after a proper assessment of their scariness.

I totally agree. In the case of Blair Witch, I originally watched a dodgy VHS bootleg. Which just made the "suspension of disbelief" thing sooo much easier. I watched it several times, as work colleagues kept coming round to watch it, and it was scary every fucking time.

Then it finally got released, and I took my then-girlfriend to see it (she'd been waiting so she could see it on the big screen). That was the first time it wasn't creepy- surrounded by people in a cinema, eating popcorn and stuff, just screamed "YOU'RE WATCHING A WORK OF FICTION!!!" at me, which ruined it.

As an experiment, I watched it again a few days later, and it scared the living fuck out of me.
 
 
Spaniel
23:19 / 09.06.06
Weirdly I watched it (for the second time) with a buddy in a cinema in central London. He shat himself and refused to go to bed 'till I insisted that he let me sleep.

You know who you are.
 
 
Spaniel
23:21 / 09.06.06
"You have ten seconds to comply"

[that's what's wrong]
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:22 / 09.06.06
It certainly is a movie that divides people. I was thinking of starting a thread about horror movies in which nothing happens- having watched Open Water the other day and found that pretty damn scary (the tagline "Blair Witch meets Jaws" is, strangely, fairly accurate) I'm starting to think that for all my love of spectacular gore, it's almost always a letdown. It's the old thing about what you can imagine being far more frightening than anything put on screen, I guess.
 
 
Spaniel
23:29 / 09.06.06
Well, I certainly think a love of torture movies is a very specific kind of love, and doesn't automatically equate with some kind of generalisable love of the horror genre (despite the rather dumb equation of the two that permeates the press).

I tend to think that Blair Witch works for people with a) a good imagination, and b) people who don't get motion sick when spying a movie through a wibbly camera.
 
 
Mirror
01:16 / 10.06.06
I saw Blair Witch for the first time at a little artsy theater with very little idea of what to expect, and was highly creeped out by it.

I saw it again some time later, and was just annoyed. The ploy of having their big "being lost" moment being when they re-encountered the stream was just stupid - when you encounter a stream, ANY stream, you are NO LONGER LOST!
 
 
Mister Saturn
08:11 / 10.06.06
1) I have too many movies that I’d rather not watch by myself past midnight… the list includes JAWS, THE EXORCIST and THE BLAIR WITCH.

2) JAWS never fail to do that to me everytime I watch it – I’m useless at being prepared for the shark rearing out of the water. But the most recent one was DARK WATER – the Japanese one – when the critical moment was on the roof, my heart nearly burst.

3) I’m divided between THE RING (Japanese Version) and ALIEN… they produce a feeling in my gut that is whispering to me, “they’re all going to die… they’re all going to die… and there is nooooo hope….” (brrr.)

4) Basically any movies involving a stab-happy person and a bunch of teenagers whose sole purposes are to shriek shrilly and run into dead ends. I’m always disappointed when the villain dies… I can’t believe I used to be so scared for the dopey victims.

But I have a question: which did you think was the best, Kubrick's version of THE SHINING (which Stephen King wasn't happy with), and the second one (I can't remember the director's name), approved by S.King, THE SHINING - I thought the former was the best, especially since the scene of the BLOOD is forever etched in my mind...
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
09:26 / 10.06.06
I couldn't sleep the night after I saw Blair Witch, but most of my friends that I saw it with absolutely hated it. I have a kind of theory about that... that the movie can act as a kind of litmus test of "fill-in-the-blanks" imagination; to be truly freaked out, you have to get scared by literally nothing. It was the POTENTIAL for horror that wormed into every cell in my brain, and that's what kept me staring at the ceiling all night.

In terms of the creeps, the Japanese original of The Eye (not remade yet, but it will be, I'm sure) had me crawling up the back of the couch and trying to force myself through the wall.

The Ring, on the other hand... saw it in the theatre, and was intrigued but never frightened. I honestly thought it was a BEAUTIFUL movie, with a shot every minute or so that you could frame in an art gallery; there's a scene near the beginning with Naomi Watts out on her Very Modern Balcony surrounded by Very Modern Buildings that's just brilliant.

(threadrot: my girlfriend and I saw this in Montreal, and she came home afterwards while I took the train to visit my parents. I called her before boarding the train, at 11:55 at night, and she was just turning the television on, after accidentally kicking the adapter thingy that connected the DVD to the old coax in on the old television. So she turned the TV on to a blaring white static, and then the phone began to ring. Poop was had. :Threadrot)

Types of scares and their relative efficiency? I find that J-horror does better with aural creeps. I know this is a broad brush to paint with, but Japanese horror movies seem to do much more interesting things with noise, ambient sound and "non-music" than their Western contemporaries. See the "security camera" scene in Ju-on, which is pants-wettingly terrifying but just kind of silly when the sound is off.

On the other hand, some Western horror movies do a great job with the "laugh/jump" combo, which is very effective. Carpenter's "The Thing" is awesome at getting the perfect "hanging out with the guys OH MY GOD" vibe.

Just plain unsettling? Audition is up there, but Miike's Gozu crawled into my head and wouldn't get out. While Audition follows a fairly linear horror-movie plot pattern, Gozu is like a raw unrefined nightmare that somebody poured into my ear from a cracked and filthy pitcher.

Oddly enough, the first horror movie to really stick with me for days afterwards was a little movie called Luther the Geek, that I rented on video in I think Grade Nine. There's one scene where

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the mad killer, who is a mentally damaged circus freak with steel teeth that thinks he is a chicken, gets out of the back seat of the victims' car and sort of trots towards her farmhouse. The woman is in the kitchen and sees all this, but just... stands there, obviously confused at what this man was doing in her car, and then he bursts into the kitchen and kills her. Sounds stupid when I write it, but it was this tiny, terrifyingly real moment. And a maniac that stalks people and rips their throat out with his steel teeth while buk-buk-bukking like a chicken is just... whoo.


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My goodness, I'm writing a lot. So, er, those are some horror films I have enjoyed.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:07 / 10.06.06
when you encounter a stream, ANY stream, you are NO LONGER LOST!

Erm, except that when they follow the stream they keep ending up back at the same place.
 
 
matthew.
16:17 / 10.06.06
1) What is the most overall scariest horror film you've ever seen? And why?

Hands down, The Exorcist. Just the feeling of dread and the nihilism of the priest. There's no happy endings here, I could feel it. It's scary because there's no answers.

2) Which film produced the best jump-out-of-your-seat-gasp moment? (The small moment)

The ghostly hand coming out of the television in Poltergeist. A combo of visual and sound that makes me squeal and jump. That, or the face-hugger in Alien coming out of the sack.

3) Which film produced the best creeping, never-ending, tense feeling? (The long moment)

The Exorcist because of the scenes where Karras is simply interviewing the demon. Just sitting in the room with it. When it opens the night table drawer, there's a sense of power, of power underneath the surface that could strike at any time. But it never does. It's playing with Karras. That's the best part of horror films.

4) Which film did you find scary long ago now laughable?

Nightmares, a 1983 horror anthology that aired on television constantly when I was a child. The second(?) story involves Emilio Estevez against a video game through an LA parking lot. The villain from the video game is a gigantic Atari-style green head that chases him. Gasp. Now it's simply stupid.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:54 / 10.06.06
It's scary because there's no answers.

Despite its use of Christian stuff, there is indeed something very Lovecraftian about The Exorcist, for precisely that reason. There IS no solution. There can be no happy ending. Everything's just fucked. We may as well just sing the "doomed" song now and have done with it.

It's the sheer powerlessness of the protagonists that makes movies scary for me, I think. Blair With, Exorcist... there's no secret way out that they can discover. We can't even cheer them on. All we can do is sit back and watch their fate unfold.

(See also John Carpenter's Prince Of Darkness).
 
 
Ticker
17:41 / 10.06.06
I agree about the Prince of Darkness, there were some parts of that that still creep me out....DJ Shadow sampled it too yeesh...

The Ring didn't do much for me but oh man, Session 9 gave me the heebeejeebes for days. It was the combination of psyche vs. ghost/demon possible possession and just one hell of a disturbing locale.

If you haven't seen it I don't want to give too much away, but it kicks serious horror ass.
Session 9 on IMDB
 
 
matthew.
18:24 / 10.06.06
Despite its use of Christian stuff, there is indeed something very Lovecraftian about The Exorcist, for precisely that reason. There IS no solution. There can be no happy ending. Everything's just fucked.

What I found very effective about the climax is the inefficiency of the priests and that medallion. The existance of the demon and its weakness to holy water (during the climax, that is, not in the second act) implies very strongly in a Christian cosmology, ie a hell, Satan and demons. The existance of the demon implies also the existance of the other half, ie God.

There's a paradox then greatly implied by the sacrifice of Karras. The basic structure of heaven and hell and God and demons exist, but there are immune to the powers of the faithful and the faithless. The priests (one faithful and one faithless) are ineffectual against a system that they are trained to control and/or intrepret.

It further exemplifies the helplessness of the situation.

I could talk for hours about The Exorcist.
 
 
GogMickGog
19:56 / 10.06.06
In terms of creepiness that lingers after the credits roll, the biggun for me is John Carpenter's In the Mouth of Madness.

Though it might be a patchy Lovecraft homage the conclusion, with Sam Neil's emergence into a ravaged present and his manic laughter when the film gets all meta in the cinema, lingers like a persistent stain.
Wonderous stuff. When John's on form (let's say pre-about 1993) he really can kick it.
 
 
The Strobe
21:07 / 10.06.06
I'm going to raise a film that hasn't been mentioned yet, as my "scariest film ever": Don't Look Now.

It loses its impact a little the second time, I'll admit, but it has this fabulous overall sense of dread, from the hyper-stylized edits of the first five minutes, to the fact that it makes Venice itself seem ominous, terrifying; it took me a while to realise that that's because there are all these murders going on in the background, bodies dredged from the canal. And, obviously, SPOILERS the fact that you spend the entire film dreading the supernatural, and then end up realising that a lot of it - the accident on the church scaffolding, etc - was mere coincidence is quite creepy.

I love it to bits, but it's very, very unsettling.

Other than that, I thought Ringu did the business very well, and my favourite "straight up" horror movie is Alien. I don't do gore so well - moderately strong stomach, but I'm really not sure I could face The Thing, for instance. The more psychological stuff creeps me out enough.

One other idea: Bad Timing. It's not true horror, but it's nasty, psychological, and makes me feel very, very queasy watching it. Does that count as "scary"?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:15 / 10.06.06
In terms of creepiness that lingers after the credits roll, the biggun for me is John Carpenter's In the Mouth of Madness.

Though it might be a patchy Lovecraft homage the conclusion, with Sam Neil's emergence into a ravaged present and his manic laughter when the film gets all meta in the cinema, lingers like a persistent stain.
Wonderous stuff. When John's on form (let's say pre-about 1993) he really can kick it.


Ooh yes. Works for me for the same reason Prince of Darkness does. Relentlessly doomy. Wonderful film.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
19:04 / 11.06.06
In the Mouth of Madness is a brilliantly fun movie, and it moves at a liquid pace. Think about how convoluted the narrative is, yet the film is always clear and concise...that's good storytelling. Carpenter's last truly great film, and miles better than 'Cigarette Burns' which mined similar territory.

Scariest movie? Not sure, but one that recently caused me to shit it was Open Water. Maybe it's my unhealthy fascination/fear of sharks, but that film had me clenched tight for the duration. The vast unforgiving ocean, and the terrifyingly mundane way they realise their fucked...just absolutely awful. It was just so believable, it stayed with me for days. Ugh.

Give me a good splatter movie for shits and giggles, but that film really got me.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:49 / 11.06.06
Yeah, I watched Open Water for the first time the other night. Worked for me for all the same reasons Blair Witch did. Sod all happens, but it happens SO FUCKING SCARILY... I loved it.
 
 
Triplets
20:55 / 11.06.06
In terms of the creeps, the Japanese original of The Eye (not remade yet, but it will be, I'm sure) had me crawling up the back of the couch and trying to force myself through the wall.

The old man in the lift. Yes.

Let me hold my hand up for Prince of Darkness. Lots of scare in that one but what gets me about the film is it's aura of unescapable nastiness. Horror you can't get away from.

The best moment:

When Kelly dives into the mirror to stop Susan. And she's reaching out, trying to get back. Then Donald Pleasence smashes it, trapping her with god of pain for all time. That one image of her floating, straining for the gateway shits me up to this day and I don't think anything's ever beaten it.
 
  

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