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Grant is in New York Saturday!

 
  

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ONLY NICE THINGS
22:09 / 13.06.06
Sorry, Cameron - a combination of factors, I think. To wit: Mister Six wandering back onto the board to tell us all how cool GM thought he was, having stormed off shouting obscenities and demanding to be banned only a few short months ago. Finderwolf ignoring somebody actually talking about the Invisibles in preference to getting excited about an Invisibles mixtape (and ignoring that many other comics not produced by the big two have soundtracks with the myopia of the true fan - Blue Monday, for one). That kind of thing.

Essentially, this thread has increased my respect for Morrison as a person - the capstone was when he apparently said that he had not listened to Kula Shaker for years (because he got better), but still had the good manners to show appreciation for the effort taken to find it - while shaking my faith in the values and value of fan culture. If you're in your mid-thirties and a man who you meet for five minutes is one of the most caring people you've ever met, it's not his fault by any means but you really need to take a look at your personal priorities.

You're right, though. The meeting of fan and fannee is a beautiful thing, and the tone of the subsequent reportage should not distract us from that. I'll be off.
 
 
PatrickMM
00:14 / 14.06.06
For me at least, it's not so much just the novelty of meeting Grant that was exciting, it was the fact that I had spent a long time examining and thinking about this guy's work and I finally got the chance to meet him and talk about the concepts underlining his work with the man himself. So, maybe it's a bit fannish, but it was a very cool experience, to exchange ideas with someone who's come up with so much interesting stuff.
 
 
Mario
00:16 / 14.06.06
Grant Morrison broke my pen, at SDCC.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
00:59 / 14.06.06
Patrick, didn't you talk to Grant about John-A-Dreams?

I only heard pieces of the answer but it seemed to involve fingers and a hand, regressing into your mothers womb and cells... You don't happen to remember that bit, do you?

And GM got a copy of Patrick's book, Division Shadow, which I'm sure he'll connect with. While not an homage, it definitely shares themes and intentions with the Invisibles... and has a sharp cover I might add.
 
 
Ganesh
15:21 / 14.06.06
The meeting of fan and fannee

George may be a beautiful, considerate lover, but I'll not have you calling him a fanny.
 
 
PatrickMM
23:53 / 14.06.06
Yup, I did talk a bunch about John a Dreams. I asked him if any of the new Invisibles book would take place post supercontext, and he said that it would be impossible to represent it in a 2-D space. So, I asked him what exactly his conception of the supercontext was, and he said that the basic idea revolves around being taken outside of time. Once outside of time, we're able to perceive humanity as not just a bunch of individuals, rather as a single entity.

It ties into the time worm concept, as seen in the pages Cameron redid for Volume 3. Basically, you stretch back through time, and eventually you stretch back up into your mother, and she stretches back into her mother, and this goes all the way back to the first single cell organism. So, seen from outside of time, any one of us is just a small branch off from this gigantic tree that composes all life on the planet.

I'd gotten the timeworm idea, but I never thought to connect it back to one's mother, and that was the major breakthrough for me. So, in that context, it's quite easy to see how we're each just a small piece of something larger, not an individual. This is where the cells and the hand comes in, we think we're like a cell on a hand that thinks it's a whole body, and entering the supercontext dispels that misconception. This is territory that he explored with The Filth, the whole idea of the human being as bioship, and the Earth as just a larger form of this.

John a Dreams comes into this because he's someone who's been freed from time and the illusion of individuality. He can move through spacetime and experience reality through anyone's perspective, wear any fiction suit. The thing he stressed was that the idea of individuality is a false construction, and to say that the supercontext destroys your individuality is wrong, that individuality was never actually there. There is no me/you, there is only one us.
 
 
Mario
00:48 / 15.06.06
I wonder if Grant is familiar with the novels of Lawrence Miles (Dr. Who and Faction Paradox). Miles' ideas about "biodata" have a similar vibe.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
03:59 / 15.06.06
or Hindu Philosopher / Quantum Scientist Amit Goswami, whose books "The Visionary Window: A Quantum Physicist's Guide to Enlightenment" and "The Self-Aware Universe: How Consciousness Creates the Material World" [both Amazon links] are quite Invisibles-y. amazing stuff.

more than evar, this new Invisi-series is still too far from being published to my tastes. keep going guys, if you have more to share.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
11:45 / 15.06.06
There are similar themes to the meta-context we-are-all-one concept in the film 'Altered States' that have always made me happy.

Plus the actress has a great bottom.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
12:09 / 16.06.06
heh, I was thinking the other day, sometimes you just can't beat the context you're raised in: GM might be the ultimate hippie. 'hippie-punk' if you will... and it's all cool.

there, I just gave Barbelith another reason to bash the guy.
sorry, Grant. :P
 
 
iamus
13:00 / 16.06.06
GM may be a punk rocker, but he has no hair to put the flowers in.
 
 
Tom Coates
13:14 / 16.06.06
When people ask me about the Invisibles, I tend to say that 'you had to be there', which was really how it felt to me - it felt like you really had to be reading it month by month and being part of the weird community that appeared around it, and let it infect you and be part of you and feed into it as much as it fed out into you (I'm still reeling from barbelith being mentioned in the last issue, and that Cameron got a weird Nexus Swastika-like thing into the comic itself).

I don't know how I feel about a follow-up series, or one-shot or whatever. I mean, any Grant product is good as far as I'm concerned. I don't like all of it, but I look forward to all of it. But the Invisibles? I mean, it feels like another me, now. An earlier prototype of me. I don't know that it makes sense to go back there. Always forward! Always upwards! Never look back!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:23 / 16.06.06
Agreed. Never go back ladies and gentlemen, never go back.
 
 
This Sunday
17:18 / 16.06.06
I dunno, I think looking at a flicker of sentimentality, at the past in general as 'backwards' is a bit wrongheaded. Especially in the context of 'The Invisibles', it's all there, always and all ways, and anyways, the stories have been packaged for bookstore purchasing and I still run on to people who pick them up for the first and immediately seek out that same sort of mad, collusive, colliding community of analysis and ridiculous that many of us did while the things were being published as pamphlets.

The past isn't backwards any more than the future - which, is why it's just fine to get all jazzed when you meet someone whose work has communicated to you, and you get a handshake and a few nice words. Or, what have you. The thing is to not get locked into any track but the one you're on. I mean, the internets should have taught us that one, innit?
 
 
Simplist
17:20 / 16.06.06
Essentially, this thread has increased my respect for Morrison as a person [...] while shaking my faith in the values and value of fan culture. If you're in your mid-thirties and a man who you meet for five minutes is one of the most caring people you've ever met, it's not his fault by any means but you really need to take a look at your personal priorities.

It's really more these kinds of comments that have led to my own severely diminished participation in fan culture. I don't mind a bit of goofy enthusiasm, but the bitchiness and relentless negativity that one runs into in short order in the online fan community (and that quickly greeted someone's expression of goofy enthusiasm in this case, even on a relatively civil board like this one) have really put me off wanting to interact with fellow fans in these kinds of forums.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
17:35 / 16.06.06
Speaking as one of a handful of posters who have reported to actually being at the signing, it was a really great time... so at least be comforted in that.

And goofy is in the eyes of the beholder as far as I'm concerned.

Grant's intense attention to each individual person in line stunned me. Patrick (another person who was actually there, for the record) can verify that Grant does make quite the impression.
 
 
PatrickMM
19:25 / 16.06.06
Yeah, what I was referring to in the "quoted without comment" section before was the fact that more than any other creative person I've met, when I was talking with Grant, it felt like I'd known this guy for a long time. The fact that he could keep up this energy for three hours of people is admirable, and certainly worthy of rave reviews.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:47 / 16.06.06
I did apologise... Also, I take the point that interacting with other people for three solid hours is going to seem far more daunting, and thus far more impressive, to some people than others, which I hadn't previously considered. Cheers, Patrick. Definitely food for thought.
 
 
Liger Null
00:29 / 17.06.06
Am I the only one who thinks GM looks a bit like a cross between Patrick Stewart and that sleazy boy from Fast Times at Ridgemont High?
 
 
ghadis
00:45 / 17.06.06
Was there any talk about Big Dave?
 
 
PatrickMM
01:49 / 06.09.07
Bringing back rather than creating a new thread to people know that Morrison will once again be appearing in New York, this time as part of a panel on superheroes. Here's the info:

Saturday October 6
Superheroes
With Tim Kring, Jonathan Lethem, Mike Mignola, and Grant Morrison. Ben Greenman, moderator.
1 P.M. Highline Ballroom ($25)

That's part of the New Yorker Festival, tickets go on sale September 15th. Earlier in the day there's a panel on TV with David Milch and Ronald D. Moore among others. But the Grant panel is the big one for me, anyone else planning on going? Anyone actually know Grant and want to try and arrange a lunch or something outside the panel for Barbelith crew? As I said earlier in this thread that turned strangely controversial, getting to talk to him for a few minutes last year was everything I hoped it could be, and I'd love the chance to talk to him again. So, if you're a fan of his stuff, definitely check this out. I'm just hoping it won't be overrun by Heroes fanboys.
 
 
FinderWolf
23:01 / 06.09.07
I'd be up for attending...sounds fun.
 
 
Mug Chum
01:46 / 07.09.07
"I don't know Seaguy, instead".

Georgie... David Milch... same day. Why you have to go and start lying like that, Patrick? Don't try to tell me it's true, 'cause even if it was I wouldn't believe it, just because (you lucky bastards).

Oh Lord, people throw all sorts of crap on the internet with their tiny cameras and cellphones. Can't they put these two events? Even transcripted? Even that one could-be-interesting panel with Deepak Chopra only had a crappy-sound cellphone video that combined with the accents I was just hearing-projecting nonsense (I must have stopped trying to understand when I heard them going on about circumcised nazi vampire sharks or whatever).
 
 
mephisto
20:18 / 10.09.07
So? Did anyone attend?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
20:29 / 10.09.07
I did! It was great! Grant explain to me how to travel in time, so the day after the event in question, October 7th 2007, I built eh time machine and flew back in time to today, September 10th 2007, to tell you about it!
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:38 / 10.09.07
I suppose that means it might be worth going back/forward to the convention so you won't/didn't have to queue for three hours to speak to Grant. So you'll be able to arrive two and fifty nine minutes before the meeting when Grant explains the mysteries of time travel, give your unenlightened past/future self high five, then get back in the device so as to arrive in line a minute before him, thus seriously messing with your past/future self's ontological categories to the point where he might just run off screaming to the nearest bar.

In which case, none of this will have happened.

It's a powerful tool you've been given; use it wisely.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:53 / 10.09.07
Use it to wipe out all those Heroes fanboys. Geeks.

Seriously, though, do not meddle with the majicks of time. Even I hesitate to harness such wild forces.

So, lunch? I feel it would be right and proper for us all to meet - although, since I am occupied with the building of my spiritual power centre in Droitwich, it will have to be on the astral plane. I have a great idea for a comic/TV Series/Film - Thee Chaos Files. Think The X-Files meets The Invisible, which then meets The First Wave, of which by the way I am Fan Club President for the Drotiwich and Worcestershire region. I think it would be of interest to many people at this event.


(Thee Chaos Files is COPYRIGHT the Invisible CHaus Majickian. Do not try to steal my work or I will CURSE you.)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:52 / 10.09.07
I didn't need to queue! I just started a conversation with a few key people about the last two posts in this thread, which by October have become famous as examples of EXACTLY WHY noted comic creators like J. Michael Turner don't post on Barbelith. Then I slipped into the VIP room, where Ali Larter and I shared a few jokes at the expensen of those Heroes fanboys. Then she signed my Final Destination III baseball cap. It was real.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:05 / 11.09.07
If J. Michael Vincent is reading this, I'd like to assure him that we as a bulletin board all have nothing but respect for his work, and any opinions to the contrary are the work of malcontents, rebels and trolls. As maintainer of the connectors, I can guarantee his safety. I would also love to talk with him about my screenplay for the pilot of Space Rangers ov Chaos, perhaps over lunch.

(Note: "Space Rangers ov Chaos", all details, characters, plots and action figure ideas are COPYRIGHT the Invisible CHaus Majickian. I have recently cast a money spell and will be hiring a lawyer as soon as it arrives. KEEP OFF!)
 
 
PatrickMM
15:15 / 15.09.07
Tickets are on sale for the Grant panel, I hear the New Yorker Festival stuff sells out quick, so get them while they're there.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:12 / 21.09.07
I just went to buy tickets and it says 'tickets no longer available online.' Guess I'm not going. Unless the phrasing means there IS a way to buy tickets, but not online...maybe going there in person or something...?
 
 
FinderWolf
19:16 / 21.09.07
fyi to everyone:

>> your favorite event sold out? Head to Festival Headquarters, located at Metropolitan Pavilion, 125 West 18th Street (between Sixth and Seventh Avenues), during Festival weekend, October 5th through 7th.
There you can:

Purchase last-minute tickets. Tickets to ALL events will be sold at Festival Headquarters, beginning on Friday, October 5th, and continuing throughout the weekend.

Festival Headquarters will be open on Friday, October 5th, from 3 p.m. to 6 p.m., on Saturday, October 6th, from 9:30 a.m. to 6 p.m., and on Sunday, October 7th, from 9:30 a.m. to 5 p.m.

Tickets will also be sold at the doors to each event one hour before start time, with the exception of Behind the Scenes at the Museum, Come Hungry, Inside the Artist’s Studio, and the tour of Bloomberg L.P. headquarters. Cash only.
 
 
PatrickMM
22:43 / 05.10.07
Looks like I'm going to have an extra ticket for this Friday. If anyone from the 'lith wants it, just shoot me a PM. I'm still going, so we could just meet outside the venue.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
00:15 / 06.10.07
"Come Hungry" sounds like an event I'd very much like to attend.
 
 
FinderWolf
00:54 / 06.10.07
Turns out I can't go to this at all - curious to hear how it is/was...
 
  

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