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Cyclical Time

 
 
bob
15:06 / 16.08.01
quote: I have become more interested recently in non-linear models of time, since from my own experience time cycles seem obvious. Unfortunately my understanding of physics and math is limited. I am starting a thread in the hopes that anyone out there might help me to understand a little better?
 
 
SMS
16:19 / 16.08.01
I don't think you really need a deep knowledge of physics and math to use a cyclical model of time. Unless, of course, your trying to formulate a theory.

Just look at all the things that you think make cyclical time obvious, and write them down.

Two non-linear models of time are the Mayan Calendar (not the long count, especially, but the other two calnedars), and Terrence McKenna's fractal timewave theory (based off the I Ching).

What are you after?
 
 
Lionheart
16:41 / 16.08.01
Now can someone explain to me how time is space?
 
 
bob
18:44 / 16.08.01
Having done some thinking, I suppose what I'm after more accurately, has to do with the notion of subjectively experienced time vs. arbitrary objective measurements.

If my sense of time can be slowed or sped up at will, and often is, why does there happen beginnings and endings that seem to recur at more or less regular intervals measured in basically meaningless units of days, weeks, and months?

Or, shouldn't I be able to affect these cycles I can see externally, by altering my internal perception of time? or do the two ways of conceiving time have absolutely nothing to do with each other?

Or, perhaps I'm trying to express something that's way over my head. Excuse me, if that's the case.
 
 
SMS
20:03 / 16.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Lionheart:
Now can someone explain to me how time is space?


Well, it isn't. Not really. If you were to ask the question, "why is time NOT space?" then I might direct you towards relativity theory, in which mathmematical expressions of four dimensional space-time distinguish the two by a minus sign. That's why string theory says all these extra dimensions are spacial dimensions. Because of this very distinct difference between the two. Of course, all math can do is model the two, and asking why, at the most fundamental level, one is not the other, may be futile.

But.

In different frames of reference, both space and time behave differently. If you speed up, time slows down (effectively stretching out) and space contracts. Thus, you may be able to think of it, if it seems pretty to do so, as time being converted into space.
 
 
SMS
20:12 / 16.08.01
quote:Originally posted by bob:
Having done some thinking, I suppose what I'm after more accurately, has to do with the notion of subjectively experienced time vs. arbitrary objective measurements.

If my sense of time can be slowed or sped up at will, and often is, why does there happen beginnings and endings that seem to recur at more or less regular intervals measured in basically meaningless units of days, weeks, and months?

Or, shouldn't I be able to affect these cycles I can see externally, by altering my internal perception of time? or do the two ways of conceiving time have absolutely nothing to do with each other?

Or, perhaps I'm trying to express something that's way over my head. Excuse me, if that's the case.


You ought to be able to make the days seem longer to you, and perhaps make the days seem longer to another person. You should even be able to make an atom vibrate at a different rate so that an atomic clock would measure too few seconds in a day. However, this does nothing to alter the "objective" model of the scientist, in which a second is a second independent of how you feel about that.

The problem with introducing so-called non-linear models of time is that they must all be essentially the same. Time, as far as anyone can tell, is one-dimensional. You can twist it around into a ball of string, stretch it out, make it spiral up, or whatever you like, but these are all the same thing. Because they're all the same piece of string. Two directions, forward and backward. And there is some reason to say that backward time-travel occurs. Anti-particles are mathmatically equivalent to their respective particles moving backwards through time.
 
  
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