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Body Modification 101

 
 
Ticker
00:35 / 26.05.06
Got questions about tattoos, piercing, scarification, branding, and whatever the newest form of fleshy-self celebration happens to be? Ask 'em here.
 
 
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00:59 / 26.05.06
Whitework— how pale do you have to be for it to look right?

The new UV reactive tattoo ink... what's your opinion?

Can I get rid of or reduce a hypertrophic scar on my earlobe where I fucked up the aftercare on a piercing I got some four years ago?
 
 
lekvar
01:45 / 26.05.06
Re-piercing

One of my ear piercing healed up on me. I'd like it back, but this would involve puncturing scar tissue. Technically doable, I'm sure, but has anybody here re-pierced a body part? Advice or suggestions?

This post in the Tattoos! thread, specifically this:

I'm looking very seriously into a facelift (the good thing about aging is that your options for body modification increase)

... got me thinking. I'd never considered plastic surgery as body modification in the same vein as tats, piercings, or scarification, but upon reflection that's just my cultural bias. How are breast implants* different than tats, piercings, or scarification?

*randomly selected example. I realize that many women get breast implants after a mastectomy or other medical issues.
 
 
Ticker
01:57 / 26.05.06
Whitework— how pale do you have to be for it to look right?

I've seen it on a wide range of skin tones and it looks lovely on all of 'em. Also your artist can mix it with other colors to tint it if need be. I've heard of a range of whites akin to looking at white paint for walls. Lot's and lot's to choose from. I'd suggest finding an artist that has done enough pieces in white to show you multiple portfolio pics.

The new UV reactive tattoo ink... what's your opinion?

Is a beautiful addition to the range of choices. I haven't heard anything bad from anyone who has gotten one done. Personally I'm likely to wait a few more years but that's mostly because I have a backlog of other color work I want.


Can I get rid of or reduce a hypertrophic scar on my earlobe where I fucked up the aftercare on a piercing I got some four years ago?


There are several ways of addressing this. I have heard of people having good luck with the scar reducing gels with hypertropic scars. The other solution is to have a dermatologist suggest forms of surgical procedure to remove it and allow new skin to form. Some piercers will attempt to do this as well but dependingon the damage you're best off with the dermatologist.
 
 
Ticker
02:09 / 26.05.06
repiercing

They can be redone by a skilled professional. Find a shop with good recommendations from people who had work done there.

breast implants

My take on boob, face, chest, leg, hair, and foreskin tweaking is that of informed consent. Yes they are all bod mod but I ethically believe only adults knowing full disclosure ought to have them done. I'll throw clitoral in there as well.

If any adult wishes to have a body part transformed, removed, or added of their own they should be able to.

The issue then becomes defining adults and ability to consent. As you can see applying such a broad sweeping rule would piss off a vast religious sector or three.

Are they different? Only in that some attempt to pass as being natural and others blatantly don't. I'm told a good facelift or boob job should look as if you were born that way whereas a tat/scar/hole obviously doesn't.
 
 
doozy floop
07:41 / 26.05.06
1. About a million years ago I tried to get my tongue pierced and was turned away because of something to do with a vein. What was that all about?

2. Why do people get tattoos and why do they get the designs that they get? By which I think I mean, why did *you* out there whoever you are decide to get a tattoo, and did you pick a design you thought was nice-looking or did you choose something meaningful, and why did you have it done on your (say) back and not your arm or wherever?

I'm just really nosy.
 
 
Psych Safeling
09:14 / 26.05.06
Got a tattoo because I thought they were cool, and because I doodled the design in a boring lesson/lecture and decided it would make a nice adornment. Chose right lower back because I was young and skinny and didn't realise I would soon have love handles. Also misguidedly thought it might be discreet for any future professional life. I tend to forget about it because I can't see it. Designed it myself because I didn't want a tattoo that anyone else had. It's of two slightly abstracted people having sex in the sittingfacing position (one red, one black) but apparently looks like the Kappa symbol.
 
 
johnny enigma
10:34 / 26.05.06
I'm probably going to get a tattoo soon and would of done sooner if it wasn't for financial restraints. The designs I want all have symbolic personal meanings. Choice of where on my body is a bit more abstract, though I have decided that any daft tattoos should definitely go on my legs, as I have this fantasy about having beautifully done, perfectly placed tattoos on my upper body and covering my legs with stupid stuff like bands' logos etc!!
Some people get tattoos purely because they like them, and will walk into a tattoo parlour on a significant occasion like their birthday and just choose one on the spot.
 
 
alas
12:16 / 26.05.06
I'm looking very seriously into a facelift

I'm interested, lekvar, and would like to hear your thoughts/reasoning for considering this option, if you're willing to share.

I agree that only adults, in an ideal world, should do this--outside I suppose of reconstructive plastic surgery? (if a child has cancer or is involved in a car accident that leaves serious scars on their face, e.g., would you say it would be reasonable for a parent to choose reconstructive surgery, xk?, as I'm kind of assuming? ...) Oh, and this may be dumb, but when you included "hair" in the list of tweaking, xk, do you mean permanent laser removal? And, do I understand that tattoos are in a different class for you, xk and...ok at any age? Or for, say, teens? Is it because of their being only "surface," even though I've heard they are pretty hard and expensive to remove...I'm just generally interested and feel like I'm generationally distanced from the explosion in body modification that has happened since about the mid-1990s.

But I'm interested in the political consequences of, e.g., the fact that I read somewhere recently that the number of breast implants performed in the US have gone up 700% just since 1992--ah just found the source, Ariel Levy's Female Chauvinist Pigs, who cites the statistics provided by the American Society of Plastic Surgeons--yep: 32,607 a year in 1992; 279,073 in 2005, up by 756%. Additionally "Breast lifts" are up by 1035% in the same period. (See the "Cosmetic Plastic Surgery Trends, 1992-2005").

I did just a little snooping on that site. A few very young women are getting implants (3,500 or so last year)--but interestingly it looks like the total number of under 18 yo getting actual implants is less than the number of under-18 men getting breast reduction. (Look at the "2005 Age Distribution Cosmetic Patients" sheet...I notice if you add in "breast lifts" for under 18 women, it's a little larger than the male number).

I hear from students that it's fairly common to get a boob job as a high school graduation present--most women would be about 18 at that point. They tell me that they are just making this decision "freely" and that they don't have self-esteem issues, they just like the way it looks.

Note well: I would not say that deciding to get implants is in any way a sign that one's self esteem is somehow so much worse than anybody else's, but I am skeptical that this is such a free decision, and concerned by ... well, look at the "gender quick facts" sheet: 9 million women every year are having cosmetic surgery to 1.2 million men (and that number includes having a nose rebuilt); so women are doing this at roughly 7 times the rate of men. Male rates are going up, too (and pretty dramatically), but mostly they are no where near women's rates.

I'm old school. I know. But I do find these numbers depressing, because of what it seems, to me, to be saying about gender, standards of beauty, conformity, and social/economic class issues--and about the distribution of medical skills and resources in my country anyway, which is made almost invisible by our market approach to medical care.

To me, taken as a whole, they signal we are getting less progressive, and arguably less open to a variety of body types (yes, sure, some few of those surgeries are probably doing new and creative things but mostly, for women, it's mostly done in the hope of making us look a little more like Pamela Anderson, isn't it?)

But I honestly accept it's quite possible that there are other ways of seeing these statistics and this issue, and I welcome hearing them.
 
 
Ticker
12:38 / 26.05.06
alas

I do include tatoos and piercing into the adult range. I know that most folks get them done as puberty rites (earings especially) but originally this was a rite of passing into adulthood. For myself I think if you are going to let a chile elect to modify their body then they are no longer a child....

Reconstructive tends to be a separate case for me as I believe you've already been modified by accident or illness at that point.

As for alterations and beauty, I would be curious to know how many people are happy after cosmetic changes. Does having a nose/boob job make life better?

I know a lot of women who have told me it has. If anything it points at the huge value of physical beauty in our culture. If you can massively improve your life with a boob job what does that say about the value of boobs (of a certain type) and where is that image coming from? Is it as you say Pamela Anderson-land?

I enjoy temporarily altering my body shape through corsetry but not enough to have my ribs removed or boobs stapled to my collar bone. But I understand that other people might.

Humans have had a long history of altering themselves and adorning themselves. Who knows if cybernetics first gets going (mainstream not as it is now on the fringes) not as a field of disability care, but purely for beauty.
 
 
Ticker
12:55 / 26.05.06
doozy

the vein thing is important. when a piercer examines your body they *should* check and see if you have a prominant or multitude of veins. Hematomas are nasty blood pockets resulting from veins being ruptured. Other nasty things can occur. However you can go to a good piercer and have dialogue about it and they might give you other options.
Someone who has been in the trade for many years and has a good rep is ideal.

As for ink...
All of mine has meaning to me the originals were elements (air/chest dragons, earth/belly bulls n'vines, water/hip dobar cu, fire/right upper arm fireblossom) and then the next were totems. Somewhere in the process I noticed I had plants on the right and animals on the left and combos on the center torso parts. I broke the division by having a giant anime styled cave lion tat on my lower back. The ink of which contained the ashes of my 20 year companion cat who had recently passed on. I place them based on overall balance to the others looking at my body as an entire canvas.

My upper back is dedicated to scarification as is my lower left forearm.

Speaking of body mod, I just last night had all my hair chopped off. It's a hell of a thing.

and yes alas I did mean laser hair removal or the equivilant for the adult consent thingy.
 
 
wally week
14:31 / 26.05.06
Somebody warned me off getting a tattoo in Britain. Ze reckoned Scandinavia is the place to go for ink (in Europe at least). Is there any truth in this? Is it just that there's a lot of dodgy tattoo parlours in Britain and you have to look hard for a good one? Is this the same anywhere? And how does one identify a good tattooist, assuming one doesn't have a large selection of colourful friends to canvas for references?

Have you ever had a tattoo go horribly wrong, in an artistic rather than a medical sense, and what did you do about it?

So many questions! I've been dithering over getting a tattoo for years (not that I've been able to afford it at any point, mind).
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:35 / 26.05.06
2. Why do people get tattoos and why do they get the designs that they get?

It was funny. I could sort of see the tattoo in my mind's eye, and I could actually feel where it should go. It was like my skin was asking for it. As for the design--I just really really like roses. You can go off a band, but who goes off roses? No-one, that's who.
 
 
Olulabelle
19:06 / 26.05.06
The ink of which contained the ashes of my 20 year companion cat who had recently passed on.

This is a lovely idea. How does that work in practice? Can you just add the ashes to any colour? What colour ink do you end up with?
 
 
lekvar
20:26 / 26.05.06
Alas
I'm not considering a facelift, I was quoting from the post I linked to. I should have formatted my post better. I'm trying to re-examine my notions of body modification. I've always looked down my nose at non-reconstructive plastic surgery, considered it to be vanity of the rankest sort. If I pause to think about it, though, it's hypocrisy of the rankest sort since I like to dye my hair, have multiple piercings and a tattoo.

Thanks for the response, xk, I suppose that "naturalness" or the semblance thereof does make some difference.

I would be curious to know how many people are happy after cosmetic changes. Does having a nose/boob job make life better?

If you believe the author of Psycho-Cybernetics the relationship between appearance and attitude is pretty fluid. He states that someone who suffers from crippling self-doubt may become fixated on the idea that a single physical attribute is responsible. When that attribute is changed the person may suddenly be transformed into a social dynamo, or, conversely, insist that the attribute was never changed since the self-doubt is still there.
 
 
Olulabelle
20:34 / 26.05.06
Lekvar, I think that's very true, not just for people with crippling self doubt but in ordinary everyday cases of feeling self conscious. It's apparent in the frequently heard notion that 'if I could only just lose this weight then my life will somehow be perfect'.
 
 
Dead Megatron
21:01 / 26.05.06
My question is not one of great intelligence or profoundity, but I'll do it anyway. It was implied in this thread that Chinese symbol tattoos are out of fashion (alhtough I just got mine, which contradicts such statement, being me the paragon of fashionable ). So, what I'd like to know is, what is the latest fashion in body modification, after all? In your respective turfs/social circles, of course, fellow 'lithians.

Just for the sake of curiosity.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:07 / 26.05.06
Similar tack: What mods really get on your nerves? What makes you flinch, shudder or just roll your eyes?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:08 / 26.05.06
People's irritation with "Chinese symbol tattoos" is nothing to do with them being "out of fashion".
 
 
Not in the Face
00:19 / 27.05.06
Similar tack: What mods really get on your nerves? What makes you flinch, shudder or just roll your eyes?

Eyebrow piercings - I have no real reason for thinking it but just the sight of them makes me cringe in horror at the lack of symmetry. Their current popularity makes even a trip to the newsagents a matter of girding ones loins and biting hard on a piece of leather

Question- branding for UK types; anyone done this and if so where, and most importantly reactions on having it and the experience. I am quite keen on it but it seems harder to find somewhere that does it than tattooing
 
 
Dead Megatron
00:24 / 27.05.06
People's irritation with "Chinese symbol tattoos" is nothing to do with them being "out of fashion".

What is it to do with, then?
 
 
lekvar
00:28 / 27.05.06
Megatron- appropriation.
 
 
Ticker
03:49 / 27.05.06
leesee what can I add of use?

the ashes did not change the ink color at all though the practice stems form old biker traditions and is not strictly legal. Ash is sterile so it does not pose a health threat but most health boards are iffy about schmada being added to the ink.

skin removal seems to be the new cutting edge thing around these parts and it makes me gag. Probably means I should get some just to experience the horror of being flayed alive and get a pretty pretty in the process. But yeesh.

Belly button rings tend to make me roll my eyes but my six pack is in the fridge so I maybe prejudiced.

I elected to honor my ancient end vernerable kitty cat with a japanese style portrait of her as the classic descending tiger. I contacted a online resource and paid for correct kanji to represent 'Empress' for her as the underside of the design.

Appropriation is a very important thing to consider. Yet at the same time you can still source other cultures as long as you recognise that you are bringing the influence into your context. The artifact created is not of that culture but a product of yours. Hat tipping is not the same as stealing so long as you watch how you present yourself.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
10:11 / 27.05.06
lekvar: Megatron- appropriation.

And, frequently, inaccuracy.
 
 
doozy floop
17:11 / 13.06.06
Eeep, I'm getting my tattoo tomorrow (after, oh, about ten years of planning, and it's really not that big or elaborate...), and I'm here to canvass for advice on aftercare, any magical lotions and potions I should have ready to apply, any likely side effects, anything else I should know - the thread summary, basically. I'm a teeny bit anxious, and have to sit through most of a day at work beforehand with no doubt not much else on my mind. Any words of wisdom for a beginner?
 
 
Ticker
17:38 / 13.06.06
Well the most important thing in after care is cleanliness.

Use a cleansing solution that you *know* you don't have an allergic reaction to and that is mild.

some folks recommend the antibacterial soaps and the like, but they can pull ink or irritate the skin. If you want to try some soap, test it on a NON inked part of yourself and watch for reactions.

As far as lotions, again it depends on your skin. Heavy oils including vit E tend to pull ink and are not recommended. I like calendula gel which you can get at a health food store. One of my friends makes a tattoo paste of beeswax and calendula that is my favorite. But I often don't put anything on the tattoo at all.

It is basically a big ass scrape and to some extent should be treated as such. The caveat being some antibacterial goo can pull ink.

Also be very careful of using a petroleum product or any veggie oil that keeps the skin from breathing. A tattoo won't heal properly if you keep it too wet/gooey. I don't recommend petroleum based products for this reason.

Some products:

A&D ointment is often used during a tattoo session to help the artist move smoothily on your skin.

Dr. Bronners organic body/tattoo balm is a nice commerical product I've been seeing in shops and healthfood stores.

I personally avoid tea tree oil after researching its affects. It is too strong.

when in doubt ask your artist. If you don't feel you can ask them, or if they don't discuss aftercare BEFORE the tattoo. Personally I like artists who make it a point to check in with me about it even though I visibly have a lot of tattoos.

Things to remember:

do not drink alcohol before or immediately after a tattoo as it is a blood thinner. If it is your first tattoo plan enough time afterwards in case you need to rest before driving or traveling. Endorphins can be a bit wonky and can affect your judgment. If you can have a friend go with you or be nearby.

Don't wear a favorite article of clothing or sleep on favorite sheets with a fresh tattoo. the artist may bandage it for you but htis normally is taken off within a few hours. The excess ink can bleed out. Don't worry if this happens, there is enough under your skin to keep the design looking great.

The artist may shave the skin before tattooing, this is pretty standard.

Your artist should be practicing safe procedures and be friendly when you ask questions regard sterile needles/sterile gun. The shop should be clean. If for any reason you feel uncomfortable about how you are being treated or the procedures of the shop, LEAVE.

There are enough considerate through professionals out there for you to work with.
Feel free to PM if you have any private concerns.

Good luck!
 
 
Ticker
13:57 / 14.06.06
droozy

I chatted up some fellow inkers yesterday and some of them reminded me that a lot of people graduate from the protective anitbacterial goo to skin lotion once it starts drying out. Just steer clear of lotions with Vit E and alcohol.

let us know how it goes!
 
 
doozy floop
07:31 / 15.06.06
Well, I survived! I also thought I was the ruler of the universe for about two hours afterwards, but sadly that's worn off in time for work today.

They recommended a mild burns cream to use on it in a couple of days, but suggested a minimalist approach as this design is lots of fine lines so shouldn't require too much. At the moment it just feels like a touch of sunburn, so I'm quite pleased.

Oh, and of course it looks like the best thing ever created On This Planet, as far as I'm concerned!

Thanks for all your advice xk
 
 
invisible_al
08:31 / 15.06.06
Pics plskthx, seriously when it's healed show us your ink .

Oh and I know about the 'top of the world' feeling, I ran around like a loon for the rest of the day after I got mine. Hmmm I'd better get started looking for a design for my birthday present from my beloved .
 
 
Ticker
15:42 / 15.06.06
yay for doozy!

I'm getting inked tomorrow AM. Should be interesting as I've been fasting for a few days.
I normally have a wicked high pain threshold but I suspect it will be quite a different experience tomorrow. If my artist attempts to do my elbow I may have my first ever fainting spell. Who knows!
 
 
MissLenore
22:21 / 15.06.06
I would recommend www.bmezine.com to anyone with lots of questions on body modification. I have yet to find a website with more information on the subject and it covers all forms, not just tattoos and piercings. Some areas you have to pay to view, but majority of the site is available for browsing. Also has a community called "IAM" for those with body mods who care to join (it's free).
 
 
Ticker
14:31 / 16.06.06
bme kicks serious tuckus. Plus they are one of the few to stand up to threats of interweb censorship.

thanks MissLenore for posting the link!
 
  
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