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Guidelines For Submission

 
 
Thorn Davis
07:54 / 23.05.06

I was wondering whether anyone in this corner of Barbelith has any information on the most basic requirements when submitting manuscripts - specifically for novels. I understand, for example, that the film industry only accepts scripts in courier 10 point because it helps sustain some kind of illusion that they're still working in the golden age of cinema. I'm wondering whether any similar rules apply with fiction publishing - so I'm hoping for advice on font, font size, paragraph indents, separation etc. It seems that this kind of detail is quite hard to come by.

Thanks in advance for your help. Unless you ignore this thread, in which case - fuck the lot of you.
 
 
The Strobe
08:35 / 23.05.06
Unless you ignore this thread, in which case - fuck the lot of you.

Whilst I can't offer much advice in terms of submitting manuscripts - but I do believe that several people around these parts can - I can advise you that that kind of turn of phrase doesn't really help anything, and really isn't very polite. Even if I could help you, I'd feel less likely too, because to be frank, you're being really rather unpleasant to an audience you're seeking help from.
 
 
Thorn Davis
08:44 / 23.05.06

Well in that case I guess I didn't get my tone across because it was just meant to be a flip mirror to the polite presumption of "thanks in advance for your replies"; a little bit of humour at the end there, you see.
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
11:22 / 23.05.06
Humor? I will hear of no such thing.


..yeah, though, I'd love to hear this too. I'm going to submit loads of short stories and flash fiction to magazines over the summer, and I could use some advice.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:34 / 23.05.06
Different publishers may have different guidelines, which is why it's a good idea to check the publisher's website or their listing in the Writer's Market before you submit, but in general (and for US markets) the thinbgs to remember are;
  • white, 8.5 x 11", 20 lb. paper
  • printed one side only
  • 1.5" margin on all sides
  • double spaced
  • no extra space between paragraphs
  • begin each new para with a five-space indent
  • text aligned flush left
  • Turn off auto-hyphenation
  • Name & contact info in upper left of first page, single-spaced; name, title, and page number in upper right of all subsequent pages

The insistence on Courier—and not just any Courier, but 10-characters-per-inch Courier—was a holdover from the days of mechanical typesetting. Because Courier is a fixed-width font (that is, every letter takes up the same amount of space on the page) it made it easier for a trained editorial eye to estimate the word count—which was not literally the number of words, but the amount of space a piece would take up on the page, with a single "word" assumed to be six characters long—so 2500 longer words take up more space than 3000 short ones, and the word-count estimate would therefore be higher.

That's the same reason the old style manuals advise you to indicate emphasis with underlines in a MS, rather than bold or italic—not because bold and italic are hard for an editor to read, but because putting them in was the typesetter's job. That's the reason for the wide margins, too: the idea was to get about 250 words per page.

Electronic typesetting has changed all that. Now your book will most likely be set in Quark, with the text imported directly from your MS Word files, with your formatting intact—and the new generation of editors has adjusted to that, and getting their word counts electronically.

There are still some old-school holdouts out there, to be sure. But what I'm hearing now is that any standard, legible serif font is okay: I use Times New Roman, 12 points, and do bolds and italics right in the MS.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
11:42 / 23.05.06
In my experience:

Novels:
- Polite letter with a bit about you and the book
- Synopsis (1 page ideally, 2 max)
- First three chapters or 100 pages, whichever is shortest
- Double spaced
- One side of the paper
- 12 point conventional font (e.g. Times New Roman or Arial - probably not Courier, def. not Comic Sans)
- PAGE NUMBERS
- Novel title and your name at the top of each page
- LARGE SAE WITH ENOUGH POSTAGE TO SEND IT BACK TO YOU

No need to bind or staple, but maybe stick it in a plastic folder or put a rubber band round it so it doesn't go everywhere.

These simple guidelines should set you apart from most submissions. The key is professionalism, I hear. Plus most agencies you intend to submit to have a website with their own guidelines on, plus the names of the agents. "Dear Agent" implies that you haven't done your research ...
 
 
Thorn Davis
11:57 / 23.05.06

That's grand stuff. Now fuck off the lot o- No, Wait! the other one. Thanks very much for your replies.
 
 
sibyline, beating Qalyn to a Q
18:11 / 23.05.06
just to add: for short stories sent to American journals, useful to put word count in the upper right-hand corner and put the title 1/3 downt he page rather than at the very top.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:54 / 23.05.06
Not much to add to the above, except to say that your covering letter's probably more important than the precise framing of the typeface etc.

As mentioned above, do be polite. Do not try anything experimental in terms of style. Do not swear, or mention any drugs you might have been taking during the course of the construction of the novel. Do not say, however much you may feel this way, that whoever it is you're writing to 'has to read the whole thing in order to understand it.' Do not try too hard. Implied desperation is the way forward here, but in as dignified a way as you can possibly manage.

In personal experience;

The standard setting for the margins on your computer (whatever that is - if you don't have a clue about this, don't upset yourself by trying to change it,) is OK, as is 11 point type if you want to save on paper, ink etc, and the synopsis can be single-spaced, if you can't cut the thing down to the (pretty much) mandatory two pages or less.

Other than that, good luck!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:26 / 23.05.06
The important thing to remember is don't give up. You wouldn't leave the love of your life in the road because of the unkind comment of a man in a bar, would you? That rejection letter isn't a rejection - it's a test. Get back on the horse and write back to the agent, explaining exactly what you meant to communicate and why you feel he or she did not manage to pick up on it. Agents know that they don't really understand books - if you want to make this clear, try demanding to know how many books the agent has written, and as such whether he or she can truly be considered a competent judge. Keep at it - if you just make the poor fool understand how he or she should be reading your work, you've as good as got the contract in the bag.
 
 
Jack Fear
23:40 / 23.05.06
Haus, sometimes I swear you're just trying to be a bastard.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
00:14 / 24.05.06
Courier is also one of the easiest darn fonts to read... hey, golly, look at what's in this here reply box as I type.
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
00:33 / 24.05.06
AG:

I think it's unfair to say we shouldn't do anything experimental with style. A lot of magazines welcome original work.
 
 
Thorn Davis
07:01 / 24.05.06
[b] You wouldn't leave the love of your life in the road because of the unkind comment of a man in a bar, would you?[/b]

You know what, this exact thing happened to me once and I'm pretty raw about it. Try and exercise a bit of sensitivity next time, rather than coming on all like the big funny man and digging up painful memories just to be cruel to other posters. Yeah, so what, I left her there. I didn't know she was with child at that point. I thought the guy in the pub was right - she really was putting on weight. I know you couldn't have known any of this, but even so that's a pretty crass comment to make. 'Haus'? [i]'Wanker'[/i] more like.
 
 
Sax
10:16 / 24.05.06
I fear the irony filters may be knacked today.

Also, although this is a thread on presentation of manuscript rather than content, bear in mind that an editor or agent will give you, on average, ten pages to impress them. They will ideally want to be grabbed by the first page, failing the first paragraph, but ten pages is all you got.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:01 / 24.05.06

I think it's unfair to say we shouldn't do anything experimental with style. A lot of magazines welcome original work.


Not, generally, in the covering letter. Have a look at AG's comment again.

Understanding register is quite important as well. Example: Thorn, above, was aiming for "amusingly hyperbolic". Did it work? Would it work in a covering letter?
 
 
Sax
12:39 / 24.05.06
Thank you in advance for considering publishing my work. Unless, of course, you aren't, in which case fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

Looking at it from the point of view of the head of fiction at Random House, you're probably right there, Haus.
 
 
Thorn Davis
12:52 / 24.05.06

I reckon it would feel pretty good to send that letter.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:04 / 24.05.06
At least get a few rejections under your belt before you get bitter, old chap.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
12:47 / 25.05.06
Well it's never too early to start

As a young(?) writer TD, I think it's important to remember that you are the talent, and that agents editors, marketing people and so on are basically a nuisance, at least when they're not actively being in the way. That you are a star, and that even though they don't come out and say so, they resent you for it.

'Watership Down' was rejected by forty nine publishers before it saw print, and JK Rowling was advised to find an alternative means of making a living. QE bleeding D. In your face, literary bean-counters*!

* Always refer to them, in your e-mails and letters, as such. They like it really.
 
 
Sax
13:29 / 25.05.06
Plus, they're only editors and agents because of what they can't write for toffee, nor fuck all.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:25 / 25.05.06
Also, when you go to a nightclub, spit on the doormen. They've got a lot of nerve, those guys.
 
  
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