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MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
19:45 / 19.05.06
Anyone else into this?

In response to some questions about it: it's easier than it looks. You can get by with no gear other than a big pot (5 litres minimum) and a bunch of empty bottles, but the lowest threshhold for minimum efficient/effective winemaking on any reasonable (more than 5 bottles at a time) scale requires:
A carboy (a big-ass glass jug);
A hydrometer (measures thickness of liquid, in this case to determine the sugar content of your must (primary form of wine when you start to make it));
Some sort of food-grade piping for transferring wine from your primary (a big-ass bucket) to the carboy and eventually into your wine bottles;
A corker (usually if you're buying kits the shop will lend you one for free, but if you make your own wines like I do, you really need one).

The corker is the biggest outlay. Everything else you can cobble together for under CAD$50.

Making wine is about as difficult as baking a cake.

Making wine from a kit is about as difficult as making a cake from a boxed mix; making wine from "scratch" is about as difficult as making a cake from scratch.

Seriously.

My winemaking started when I realized I had a buttload of dandelions all over the yard and rather than kill 'em, I wanted to do something useful with 'em. So I made this recipe with my roommate at the time.

It tasted like crap, and I vowed never to make wine again.

But one year later, a friend that I'd given a bottle to, and who had forgotten all about it, found it in the back of the fridge and reported that it rocked ass. So I tried it, and ass it did indeed rock, and so I got back into winemaking again.

You can turn anything organic that has a taste into wine. It often winds up tasting different than the source material. Winemaking with protein-based foods (peanut butter, avocados) is not recommended. Flowers, root vegetables, lettuce, tea, coffee, etc. is all good.

Meadmaking is exactly like winemaking except instead of boiling sugar with your primary flavour ingredient, you're boiling honey and it IS the primary flavour ingredient.

Winemaking is a lot less finicky than beermaking, largely because at 7%+ alcohol levels, the wine starts killing off any germs you introduce into it.

There is more information that you'll ever need on Jack Keller's Web site and the folks on the rec.crafts.winemaking Usenet group are super decent.

So... questions answered, for starters.

Other questions? Other experiences? I'm working on a wicked strong maple wine right now, and just laid in the must for my 2006 dandelion, which I'm trying with some molasses and Jamaican All-Spice for accents.
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
20:24 / 19.05.06
Where would I buy Campden tablets, pectic enzyme or potassium metabisulfite? Do you even use those? How about acid blends? I somehow don't recall seeing these things at the grocery store, and I worry that the liquor store (if it even carries them) might have a 21 age limit on them.

Actually, Jack Keller's site lists a whole load of chemicals that I've never heard of.
Please, tell me you've found a way to make wine using all natural ingredients that I can grab at the supermarket.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
20:30 / 19.05.06
I'm totally excited about this. My girlfriend, may, however, try to kill me when I put a big-ass glass jug under the dining room table.

Being a Mainer, I think I may try a blueberry wine when they come into season. I've seen them at the store, but they're ridulously expensive, as they're marketed to tourists. Anyone tried blueberry wine, and is it any good?

I plan on rhubarb, too, as I've had some spectacular homemade rhubarb wines.
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
20:31 / 19.05.06
Small world, Jack. I'm from southern new hampshire.

New England winos unite!
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
20:37 / 19.05.06
Ah, New Hampshire... I know your giant highway-side liquor stores too well...

I always stock up whenever I go to Massachusetts or Rhode Island.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
20:48 / 19.05.06
Where would I buy Campden tablets, pectic enzyme or potassium metabisulfite? Do you even use those? How about acid blends? I somehow don't recall seeing these things at the grocery store, and I worry that the liquor store (if it even carries them) might have a 21 age limit on them.

Keller is a Very Serious Dude when it comes to winemaking, and makes wines that Win Competitions and Tour The World. If you just want to kick around with winemaking for a bit, you can get away with far less... rigorous... procedures.

First: kit wines come with everything you need except the equipment I listed above. So don't worry about the chemistry if you're making a kit, it's all there already.

And I DO recommend starting with a kit, even if it's just a cheap white kit, because it sort of walks you through the what-to-do-at-what-stage thing in practice. A cheap CAD$40 kit makes decent "party wine." The-more-you-drink-the-better-it-gets wine.

(as a side note, the great justifier in investing in winemaking gear is amortizing the costs. Your first wine works out to about $8 a bottle, because you're paying back the equipment costs, but from then on it's $5 a bottle or less, baby)

Actually ANSWERING the questions... I have all these things, and the only thing I use with regularity is the potassium metabisufite to kill leftover yeast once the fermentation cycle is through.

Camden tablets are used to purify things before you start fermenting them -- essentially it's like sterilizing your must before you introduce the yeast. But I find if I boil everything first, then add my yeast as soon as it's cooled down, it usually works out okay.

Pectic enzyme is a clearing agent, which is important if you want your wine to come out crystal clear like the storebought stuff. If you don't mind a bit of murk in your glass, it's unnecessary.

You don't even need to add potassium meta at the end to terminate leftover yeast, but you're rolling the dice if you don't... if there's a bit of yeast still propagating in the bottle, and it "wakes up" and adapts to the environment and starts eating sugars and farting gas, you could have blown corks, explosions or worse.

I try to keep my whole process chemical-free whenever possible, in part because I have some friends who are very chem-sensitive. You take a few more risks that way, but they aren't huge risks.

Blueberry juice (and wine) is red, which surprised the hell out of me. I tried making a blueberry a few years ago, but it turned out kind of bitter. I had to add sugar at the end of the process to get it palatable, but it didn't wow me. Mind you, I only tried once, and I was making it up as I went along, so don't take my example as gospel.

I can't see why anyone wouldn't sell to anyone of any age in a winemaking shop. That's like going to a steel mill and they won't sell you a pipe because you could make a pipe bomb. Frankly, I think anyone mature enough to go through the entire six-week process of winemaking, and the six months of aging before the wine gets DECENT, is mature enough to monitor their own liquor intake.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
20:51 / 19.05.06
Addendum: six months of aging before home brews and reds are decent. Whites and meads you can usually drink straight off.
 
 
julius has no imagination
20:56 / 19.05.06
Okay, so this doesn't really count because it's not really alcoholic, but I made a few batches of ginger beer last summer. Found the recipe via b3ta, right here. I'll have to try again over the next few weeks (hey, I'll need some distraction from exam revision), but last I tried, I still hadn't perfected the mix. Even so, some of the batches were rather nice. Especially as you can make the stuff a lot more gingery, and a lot less sugary, than the supermarket-bought variety. I mean, you can make ginger beer with a serious kick to it, in terms of gingery sharpness rather than alcohol.

I'm a great fan of ginger in general, so I heartily recommend trying this...
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
23:41 / 19.05.06
Matt, I just looked up a wine brewing specialty store in my general area, I'll hit it up next week and post my results as they go. My story will probably end up being a cautionary tale, but its worth a shot.
 
 
grant
17:57 / 22.05.06
Ginger beer should totally count. My mom made some great stuff a few times -- I remember loving the raisins she'd stick in the bottles (I think they either floated when it was done or sank when it was done.)

I used her old Grolsch bottles (built-in corks, so no need for a corker) once to make easy mead. It turned out rather well, although I now wonder if I shouldn't have bottled earlier -- it was flat, not bubbly. Don't know if that's how it's supposed to be. I did notice, too, that it got better the longer it sat around.

I think I like the process better than the product, though. I really don't much care for beer (of the non-ginger variety) and am not much of a regular wine drinker, although I do have a fondness for a bit of port every so often, because of my sweet tooth, I suppose.

It's those damn self-sufficiency books and Good Neighbours on DVD that make me want to do it.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
18:58 / 22.05.06
Jake 'Yaz' Gnosis: Anyone tried blueberry wine, and is it any good?

My dad makes wine, and made some out of blueberries a few years ago -actually about 15 years ago, now that I think about it -and it wasn't as flavoursome as you might think, I believe he ended up blending it with something else, probably blackberry. Blackberry is certainly my favourite base for a country wine, it matures really well and really just tastes better the longer you leave it. For a "session wine", to be drunk in bed with a bucket next to you, canned peaches are good. The excess of sugar means it turns out about 16% ABV, so it's as strong as sherry but basically tastes like an alcopop.

Let us know how the maple wine turns out, that sounds quite exciting...
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
20:43 / 22.05.06
Canned peaches? Didn't the syrup mess things up?
 
 
Jack Vincennes
21:00 / 22.05.06
They were drained, but still pretty sweet -I think there was a bit too much sugar added to the 16% batch actually. I'll ask about it next time I call home, and get back to you on that one!
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
22:56 / 05.09.06
Hey hey update time!

1. The dandelion wine is ready for bottling. It's a bit drier than I'd like, but see (2) for more on that.

2. The mead bottles, er, began to explode a few months ago. Popping corks. Turns out the fermentation process hadn't died inside them, it had just been frozen in carbonite, and the warmer weather, like Princess Leia in a gold bikini, hotted that yeast right up and it started fermenting like gangbusters. Yeast, it seems, is super hard to kill without a lot of nasty (and rather toxic, and ill-tasting) chemcials. Which leads us to...

3. There are now three carboys (!!OVER SIXTY LITRES!!) of maple wine in production. Two are splits of the original must, which had too high a sugar content to be long-term habitable for yeast; I had to split them and mix with water to lower the sugar content to the point that the yeast wouldn't "choke" on all that good food. Two carboys are straight maple, which seems to be getting nearer the end of its fermentation cycle, and the third is half maple, and half the salvaged mead.

I'm really really really going to let them ferment to absolute dryness, though, then add some sulfide to kill the little yeast that remains, then sweeten.

THEN, with sixty litres (minus the four or five I will give to the original sap donor, as agreed) of maple wine in my basement, I will throw a party that will be talked about until the stars themselves do die.

If anyone is in the UK is free in probably-November 2006 and wants to come to Quebec and get boozed up, A Canadian Affair/Thomas Cook seems to be the cheapest airfare option to Montreal. Just sayin'.
 
 
Saint Keggers
23:02 / 05.09.06
Hey Matt, you'll have to let me know how the maple wine went. I currently have a pear wine that should be bottled... but it taste like moldy carboard due to the fact that I was given a recipee with 5 times the amount of campden tablets that the wine store said I should use.
I have a still brewing 3 gallon carbuoy of chokecherry wine which my uncle gave me and will soon be starting a new batch of pear (with the right recipe). I also have valpolicella (red) and some type of white wine. 2 kits are waiting on me to start them (chianti and ?) abd Im going to be brewing up two batches of beer.
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
14:53 / 06.09.06
(could have sworn i posted on this thread ages ago...)

I made blackberry wine last year without using a hydrometer or any of the other complicated stuff... i used a recipe given to me by a friend who has made wine many times, which was basically fruit, sugar, hot water, a few raisins and a bit of baker's yeast (no specific wine yeast)... a bit under 10lbs of berries (with a couple of apples and bananas added to make up the weight) fermented for 10 days or so in a big (covered) bucket, then rough strained (thru a sieve) into demijohns, fermented for about another 6 weeks, then fine strained (thru a tea towel) produced 12 bottles of wine that was very drinkable without any "maturing", tho i *think* it got stronger over time (i'm not actually quite sure of its precise alcohol content - my opinion of the first couple of bottles was that it probably wasn't as strong as most commercially sold wine, but a friend who tried some 6 months or so after bottling said he thought it was stronger)... i've still got the last bottle left, so i'm tempted to leave it for 10 years or something...

unfortunately all the equipment was borrowed, and this summer i wasn't living somewhere with room for straining/storage, so it'll probably be next year before i make another attempt...

i also didn't know there was any such device as a "corker"... i just soaked the corks (which the aforementioned friend gave me - i have no idea where to find them commercially) in water to soften them a bit, then used pure brute force to "squash" them into the bottles...

how does one accurately measure the alcohol content of home-made wine?

(i do know that, of every type of alcohol that i've been drunk on, the home-made wine made me feel the "nicest" and "cleanest" kind of drunk i've ever felt (just happy and buzzy without any of the "messy", depressive or headachy feelings), and the least hangover...)
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
18:40 / 06.09.06
how does one accurately measure the alcohol content of home-made wine?

That's what you need the hydrometer for (well, among other things): you measure, then compare, the specific gravity ("thickness") of your starting liquid (sugar in the liquid) and the SG of the finished al-co-hol, and the difference, with the help of an equation (there are Java applications on the Web for this -- there's even a widget for it, if you're a Mac OS X user) tells you the booze percentage. Because the yeast converts sugar to alcohol, the relative "thinness" of the final product gives you an idea of how much booze the yeast has produced.

The less scientific method is "drink a bunch real fast and see how you feel." That is my favourite.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
18:41 / 06.09.06
Oh, and Nutty, IF it is getting stronger over time, it means that it is STILL FERMENTING IN THE BOTTLE. Which is good from a booze perspective, but TERRIBLE from a "ticking time bomb" perspective. The yeast eats the sugar and produces not just alcohol, but carbon dioxide, which will make the bottle explode. Usually the cork pops. Sometimes much, much worse things happen.

You may want to stick those suckers in the fridge until you drink them.
 
 
Saint Keggers
20:55 / 06.09.06
the difference between the starting and finishing specific gravity divided by 8
 
 
Paolo
09:16 / 07.09.06
Great thread

I have been into wine and winemaking for ages and there are some excellent recipes out there. I tend to favour a quite old book now by H.E. Bravery called "Successful Modern Wine Making", the language is a bit dated and (from memory) the book was written in the 50s so there is less emphasis on adding chemicals to the wine; which means much more care must be taken but (IMO) a purer wine with less hangover potential is produced. I think its out of print but it does crop up a lot in secondhand bookshops (at least in the UK).

My few quibbles with Bravery's methods is that he adds raisins or saltanas to everything to add body which means that many wines come out looking tawney coloured. Also if you add modern yeast nutrients the yeast can handle a higher amount of alcohol before dying off from alcohol poisoning so you need to add more sugar or the wine becomes too dry. Having said that, his recipe for Jungle juice - wine made of carrots, oranges and potates is first class as does his beetroot wine which I just might start soon given that a killer of all colds means I missed the Elderberries this year.

I must also recommend lemon wine. Fantastic lemony drink although you must drink it before it dissolves the glass bottle as its bloody strong. Actually after two years this becomes almost ethereal and in its original recipe I find it has an aroma similar to good champagne. I want to modify the original recipe by missing off the saltanas (which add body) and then try making it with the champagne method to add sparkle. Will post on this when I do this.

Another excellent wine is Parsley wine; it sounds weird but is really pleasant. My Mum makes a stunning version of this adding wormwood as well which gives it a stronger greenish tinge and an "absinthy" taste. Both the regular and wormwood versions are very easy to clear and I can post the recipe here if people are interested. Alas the wormwood wine does not give visions of the Green Fairy but it is pretty mellowing and pleasant.

Mead is also fun and my 2004 Elderberry Mead and 2005 Apple Mead are starting to get very quaffable right now. I doubt that they will last much beyond midwinter. Dont just look at regular Mead, but also Methyglin - mead with added spiced. There are a number of different varients which are can all be googled.

Upthread Matt mentioned that Mead is wine where boiling sugar is replaced with boiling honey. May I add that (for both mead or wine) when fruit or honey gets boiled the wine becomes very difficult to clear naturally - egg white and Isenglass + filters do help however - and I tend to stop the heating process just before it reaches the boil - as long as everything is clean there should be no contamination problems and after a certain point the alcohol levels kill off and invaders. A bit of cloudyness does not affect the taste however. Also I skim of of the scum when heating/boiling anything which also adds clarity and removes hangover producing toxins.
 
 
Saint Keggers
11:54 / 07.09.06
Hey Paolo ,
Would you post the lemon wine recipe?
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
12:47 / 07.09.06
H.E. Bravery is now my new favourite name ever.
 
 
Paolo
20:55 / 07.09.06
Hey

Glad you found it useful. I'll dig it out and post the recipe over the next couple of days
 
 
grant
03:59 / 08.09.06
Know any online sources for rice wine recipes?
 
 
Olulabelle
07:28 / 08.09.06
For a "session wine", to be drunk in bed with a bucket next to you...

How have I got to be this age yet have never, ever tried this?

Grant, there is a recipe for rice wine on the Jack Keller site but I haven't tried it because I have never made any wine. I want to make mead, and I would also like to try the lemon wine recipe because it sounds wonderful.

I think I will take on the task of making kit wine first, because it is sensible but I have refrained thus far because it sounds dull just to make ordinary wine.

I bought a lovely book from an antique shop called 'English 18th Century Brewing and Winemaking' which has some wonderful recipes in it and is full of lovely ideas such as, "For an excellent family wine...".
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
09:03 / 08.09.06
I think I will take on the task of making kit wine first, because it is sensible but I have refrained thus far because it sounds dull just to make ordinary wine.

That really is the best way to start -- make a cake from a mix, then make a cake from scratch, is sort of the idea.

And the fact that the wine is much cheaper than storebought wine, it becomes exciting!
 
 
Paolo
07:45 / 09.09.06
The proper title of the Bravery book is "Home wine making without failures". He has lots of books on abebooks for £1-2 so even people ordering in the US or elsewhere should be able to get his stuff cheaply if it is not actually available over there.

Here is his lemon wine recipe:

6 Medium sized lemons
1/2 Lb Raisins
4 Lb Sugar
1 Oz Yeast
1 gallon Water

(Note 8 or even 10 lemons may be used if you like very strong flavours)
- I tend to make this with 10 lemons

Halve the lemons and squeeze the juice into one gallon of boiling water and when the water boils again cut off the heat at once. Pour the hot liquid over the sugar and stir until dissolved. Cut up the raisins and add these to the liquid then grate the lemon rinds into the brew. Allow the brew to cool and then sprinkle the yeast on top and stir in. Cover and ferment for 14 days after which strain and proceed with bottling.

I have done this several times now and the recipe is perfectly scalable - scale everything up except for the yeast which can remain at 1 OZ (or 1 packet from your wine supply shop). However after 14 days I bottled these into demi-johns and waited until the brew had cleared rather than bottle straight into little bottles.

Its actually quite cool to watch them clear in the demi-johns as you see two layers form and the heavy sediment rich layer settle to the bottom allowing the clear wine to be easily syphoned off.

Leaving this about 6 months produces a great drinking wine (searve chilled or in lemonade) and one of the good things is that you can make this all year round; not having to rely on fresh fruit - unless you are lucky enough to live in an area where lemon trees can be grown outside.

Bravery also has a rice wine recipie which I have tried. This is:

3 lb Rice
1 lb Raisins
3 lb Sugar
1 Oz Yeast
5 quarts water

Bring the water to the boil and cut of the heat. Then pour in the sugar and stir until dissolved. Add the rice and chopped raisins. Allow the mixture to cool and sprinkle the yeast on top. After 14 days fermentation strain and clear with isenglass then bottle


When I made this it did produce a quite drinkable wine, although nothing like real rice wine i'm afraid. All I can think of is the variety of rice will have an effect. In the 1950s when Bravery was writing I doubt that the many different types of rice available today were available in supermarkets so he never specified what he used, and I have no idea what rice Japanese rice-wine makers used.

Again this one is scalable. The wine is also quite good hot with honey and ginger stirred in - perfect for sore throats.

It could just be the conditions where I brew; but I find that my wine always takes longer that 14 days to ferment. I always wait 14 days then strain (bit not clear) and then bottle to the demi johns where I wait for the fermentation to cease properly before bottling. Sometimes such as with lemon wine it is esay to see when this is as the wine naturally clears; other wines are harder to clear and need filtering - some good chemical free kits using filter pads are available quite cheaply from homebrew shops. However I have found that even when the wine clears there may still be a tiny slow ferment - too slow to stop the precipitation of sediment but still present so it is worth waiting a week or two before final bottling.

As Matt says, its all quite easy and even with raw ingredients rather than a kit quite simple to produce a nice drinkable wine; which while different to more traditional grape based wines is very quaffable. I would say start with the recipe and then experiment. For example add ginger to the lemon wine or see what happens if you use different yeasts.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
12:00 / 09.09.06
Paolo, I'm very interested in what happens when you don't use raisins... I've constantly stuck to the raisins in recipes because I figure it cuts down on the amounts of refined sugar required, and also because I'm just scared not to. It seems to be such a baseline requirement (I'm using a couple of old Pan paperbacks for recipes, the names escape me) and they, and Keller, and pretty much everyone else is so adamant about using raisins "for body" that I've honestly never questioned it before reading your above posts.

Oh... and lemon wine is truly excellent.

So is coffee wine, which sounds weird when you say it out loud, but once you're sipping it chilled on a warm summer day is mindbogglingly delightful.
 
 
Saint Keggers
12:07 / 09.09.06
This is the recipe my uncle sent me for the pear wine. As I said above there was an error on how may campden tablets to you. The clerk at the winestore recommends *2 or 3.*
I used far too much and it ended by tasting like I used far too much.

If anyone tries this recipe let me know how it turned out.

You will need about 20 lbs. of pairs after you cut the major bad spots out. I would not be afraid of putting a few more lbs of pears in.
Boil them off until they are quite soft. Mash them up, and put them in a primery fementor.
*Add 10 desolved campden tablets* and a two kilo bag of regular sugar that you have desolved in hot water {Don't boil the sugar. remove the water from the stove top then add your sugar.}
Add 10 tsp of Yeast Nutrient. and a can of orange juice. Top off with cold water.
Let this sit for about 15 hours covered. make sure it has cooled down enough and add your yeast.
I use Lalvin KI-VII6. {Just ask for champane yeast}. It quits at a higher alcohol level.

Let it ferment for about a week. You have to break the crust that forms on top at least once a day.
On day 7 or 8 or 9 scoop off the pears that are floating on top, [the crust] into a large bowl.
Strain the juce that is left into your carboy then put the crust into some cheesecloth and let it strain over night. Into the primery fermentor. We usually tie the cheesecloth to the sides of the pail with bleached clothespins and cover it with another piece of cheesecloth.
Then I add another 2 kilos of sugar and Yeast Nutrient. Watch that it doesn't foam over when you do this. Top off with cold water.
Let it sit in the carboy until it stops.
 
 
grant
16:13 / 09.09.06
That rice wine does sound easy. I may give it a shot, and then try finding something a little more... traditional.

(Although in Chinese, there's some confusion because jiu means wine, but it also means beer and distilled alcohol, so that a jar of pure grain alcohol with a snake sitting in it is called "snake wine." Which is actually more common in China than you'd suspect.)

And the idea of a coffee wine seems really interesting. Does the fermenting affect the caffeine, or not?
 
 
Paolo
10:08 / 10.09.06
I had always thought that the addition of raisins is simply to add a bit of body and colour to the wine. From a fermentation pespective I would imagine that one could work out the sugar quantity of the quantity of raisins and replace that with processes sugar.

I must admit that I havent had the bottle to actually try it myself however would certainly be up for giving it a go. The problem is always that making wine is always a big time investment as well as wish to avoid the cost of the contents so really dont wont to produce a donkey. The ingredients of a small batch of lemon wine should not be too expensive though so I might do two batches at once and compare and contrast.

I'll post any results here when I do it althoughg I think I might be doing a batch of beetroot wine first
 
 
Sekhmet
02:08 / 11.09.06
Barbelith's ability to toss up threads in a timely fashion never fails to amaze me...

I'm going to be brewing mead again shortly and I'm going to try something new - namely, I want to put up a ciser. Has anyone else done this? Any cautions or good recipes?
 
 
Paolo
06:43 / 12.09.06
Generally mead and its varients is quite easy. I made some apple mead / Cyser last year however and one problem I did encounter was getting the fermentation to actually start.
-I am not 100% sure as to why this was the case, however I am sure this was nothing to do with the temperature being too low (keeping the yeast dormant) or initially too high (killing the yeast off). My best guess was that the solution was too sugary, overwhelming the yeast and preventing things from kicking off.

I got around this by extrating a cupful of must, diluting it with an equal volume of water and then adding the yeast to that, once my cup of solution was merriliy bubbing I returned it to the main solution where fermentation proceeded without any more problems.
 
 
timc3
13:15 / 12.09.06
What are you using to bottle these wines? Glass or plastic bottles? And where are you storing them?

I don't have much storage space at the moment so I was just wondering where and at what temperature I could store the wine for 6 months.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
13:37 / 12.09.06
I'm not very knowledgeable about wine and winetasting, but could you use wineskins of some type?

But remember what Jesus said about windeskins, eh? (wiki link)

I think you should be able to find somewhere online that makes them or shows you how to maybe make your own. Don't know much about temeperature, but wine-cellars are usually just that, I think, so I imagine somewhere well below standard room temperature is about right.

Hope that helps.
 
  

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