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I Like Billy Joel.

 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
16:04 / 18.05.06
I have no idea why, but "Piano Man" burst full-fledged into my head as I was biking to work today, and I sang it in its entirety about three times over, and the knowledge that Billy Joel is fucking awesome exploded in my head like a thousand tiny piano-pop suns.

Doing a quick rummage through the board, I find a few "dirty pleasure" type threads where people say "I like Billy Joel," but in the context of a sheepish grin and a shuffling of the feet. Hell with that! I LIKE BILLY JOEL. Not a guilty pleasure. An appreciation of a guy that wrote GOOD SONGS.

Check this out:

It's nine o'clock on a Saturday
The regular crowd shuffles in
There's an old man sitting next to me
Makin' love to his tonic and gin

He says, "Son, can you play me a memory
I'm not really sure how it goes
But it's sad and it's sweet and I knew it complete
When I wore a younger man's clothes"


I mean, seriously. That's good stuff. My first go-round with Billy Joel was back in high school, where I had absolutely no reference with which to get the sheer horrible mundanity that gets captured in the song. I was too busy listening to Skinny Puppy and Ministry and being Very Angry About Everything to listen to weak-kneed "pop" musicians. Now, though, living "office by day, scribbler by night, wishing desperately it were scribbler all day," I can really appreciate what's in the song, and how well it gets captured in three-odd minutes.

I am, admittedly, less hot on

La la la, de de da
La la, de de da da dum


But I mean hell, he's a piano man, not Brecht.

So now I'm revisiting all sorts of once-heard, early-dismissed Joel tunes in my head, and experiencing this dawning "holy shit" where I feel a burgeoning desire to go out and explore some Billy Joel. But where to go from here? I'm pretty sure "We Didn't Start The Fire" would still annoy the piss out of me, but "And So It Goes", "Captain Jack" and "Goodnight, Saigon" are fine, fine bits of songwriting. This is all '70s stuff though, right? Did Joel just lose it in the '80s? Or is it all good?

I'm also a bit worried about what this revelation implies. Am I going to find myself poring over Elton John singles and Buffalo Springfield albums in the next few months? Am I going to find myself up at 3 a.m. burning my Ursula 1000 albums and forcing copies of Introducing the Hard Line According to Terrence Trent D'Arby on frightened teenagers?

Seriously:

I need to reconsider a lot of the music I rejected out of hand when I was young enough and "hip" enough to believe that anything popular couldn't possibly be good. Suggestions?
 
 
Quantum
17:04 / 18.05.06
I need to reconsider a lot of the music I rejected out of hand when I was young enough and "hip" enough to believe that anything popular couldn't possibly be good.

Me too! I'm also rediscovering the '80s, which I spent in the sixties except for The Cure and The Smiths.

Suggestions?

The Eurythmics (best of preferably). Some great tunes buried in the dross, honestly.

I have to admit I'm not with you on Billy Joel though. Euw.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:12 / 18.05.06
Mm. An honest assessment?

Billy Joel is someone who frustrates me: he can knock 'em out of the park occasionally, but all too often the sentimentality and the posturing sink him.

His 70s work—much of which I remember enjoying at the time—is generally pretty dire. It's overwritten, for one thing. He came out of a prog-rock brackground, and tunes like "The Entertainer" and "The Ballad of Billy the Kid" show it—they're simply trying too hard.

"Piano Man" in particular grates on me: part of it's musical—there's not enough going on with that cyclical chord progresssion to justify its six-minute length, the chorus is lazy, it's about two verses too long—but mostly it's the attitude. It's so obviously a young man's song, its pity tinged with contempt. It's a promising subject for a song—there's a line to be drawn with tom Waits, oddly enough—but Joel hasn't got the empathy to carry it off.

I really liked The Stranger when I was a kid, but I can barely stand to listen to those songs now—and not just because I've heard them so often. "Just the Way You Are" is simply empty: "Always A Woman" is reductive and hateful, as is "Only The Good Die Young": and the character songs, like "Movin' Out" and "Scenes from an Italian Restaurant," are too glib to have any real impact.

On the later records, some of the self-mocking tough-guy songs work—"Big Shot," "You May Be Right," "Still Rock 'n' Roll"—and I've got time for The Nylon Curtain, which is probably his most humane and outward-looking record: "Pressure" is a pop-rock corker, and "Allentown" is a little masterpiece, everything that "Piano Man" wasn't—deft, compassionate, brilliantly observed. Every line rings true, with no cliché. The best song he's ever written, I think.

After that, it's been diminishing returns—some of the 50s stylings of An Innocent Man were amusing, and "This Is The Time" from The Bridge was a pleasant way to kill time between Dire Straits albums.

But in the ensuing years he's fallen victim to both laziness and self-importance. The pop trifles have lost all weight whatever, while the "serious" music became so ponderous that it could no longer be contained on pop records, and he's turned to writing chamber music fa chrissakes. If Billy Joel thinks pop is no longer worth his attention, hey, good riddance.
 
 
matthew.
17:27 / 18.05.06
JF has knocked it out of the park for me on this one. Not only is Piano Man over-long, but a good amount of BJ's stuff is over-written. The only song I can stand by BJ is River of Dreams which takes a decidedly non-BJ approach, more of a Doo-wop approach.
 
 
SteppersFan
18:12 / 18.05.06
I like loads of Billy Joel stuff. Too clever for his own good but I lap it up. He does this show these days where he plays loads of standards and talks the audience through how they join up and what's going on in the tunes.

I assume you already like ELO, early Elton John, early Rod Stewart / Faces, Lionel Richie etc? Plenty of good stuff in there and I don't mean that in a post modern ironic way.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
18:30 / 18.05.06
I'll have to disagree on "Piano Man", obviously -- the Tom Waits line is an interesting thought, but I think Waits would be a sad sack at the bar, rather than Joel's being young and marvelling/despairing at the "regulars." Maybe that does involve a certain lack of empathy, but I read the song as a cautionary tale as well as straight pathos -- don't wind up like these guys, sings young Billy Joel. And it works for me.

Appreciate the long and thoughtful post, JF -- I'm now going to start looking for more Joel to listen to, and you've given me some good pointers, or at a perspective to listen from. I'll try to find Nylon Curtain, but one of the downers of living in Quebec is that back-catalogue English music isn't always easy to come buy unless it's a Greatest Hits album.

matt, is River of Dreams the album worth checking out, or just the song?

On my to-do list, from reading the above:

Eurythmics
Dire Straits
Elton John

I don't think I can do Lionel Richie. Not yet, anyway.
 
 
matthew.
18:34 / 18.05.06
Don't know about the rest of the album, but certainly the song is great.

[threadrot]

For Elton John: seek out Tumbleweed Connection (a very country-inspired collection of tunes), Madman Across The Water (containing the famous Tiny Dancer, but other notables) and 11-17-70 (a crackling live album from before he was crazy famous).

[/threadrot]
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:41 / 19.05.06
Some great stuff on River Of Dreams, principally the title track and A Minor Variation, a lovely piece of blues/soul.

I'd have to disagree that Joel overwrites - the main problem with his stuff, the reason he's inconsistent, is underwriting, and that was getting worse throughout the eighies till his retirement from pop about ten years ago (incidentally, Jack - fine if you think pop doesn't miss the man, and when does it ever miss anyone, but give the underinformed rubbish a rest, yes? The guy's frequently said that he doesn't have anything left to say in pop/rock n' roll music, and was suffering from writer's block for years before managing to get enough material together for River Of Dreams. He's fifty-seven, for goodness sake - he's entitled to try something new).

When Billy Joel hits, he knocks it out of the park. Check out 'Easy Money' on An Innocent Man - internal rhyme, a through-line throught the lyric, great brass arrangement with that sucker-slow patch getting into the chorus where another songwriter would have sped up, and a great soulful vocal (from memory, no less a man than Ray Charles once said that Joel had the finest white soul voice he'd ever heard).
 
 
Jack Fear
11:25 / 19.05.06
'd have to disagree that Joel overwrites - the main problem with his stuff, the reason he's inconsistent, is underwriting, and that was getting worse throughout the eighties

Which is why I was referring specifically to his work in the early 1970s—Cold Spring Harbor, Piano Man, Turnstiles and the like.

Incidentally, Jack - fine if you think pop doesn't miss the man, and when does it ever miss anyone, but give the underinformed rubbish a rest, yes? The guy's frequently said that he doesn't have anything left to say in pop/rock n' roll music, and was suffering from writer's block for years before managing to get enough material together for River Of Dreams.

Mm. "Good riddance" wasn't precisely what I meant to say—and for the record, I think Joel's presence is missed in the adult-pop landscape, particularly his gifts as a melodist—but there is something that troubles me about his "retirement" and subsequent self-reinvention.


Of course the man's entitled to try something new; that's one of the prerogatives of art. But there's still a cognitive dissonance in the way he's done it that I find jarring—particularly when I look at a figure like, say, John Cale, who has throughout his career embraced both "serious" music and dirtyass rock'n'roll, switching between them frequently and seamlessly, and never giving the impression that he's slumming in either genre.

That Billy Joel could announce that he was tapped out as a pop musician, that he had "nothing left to say," and then turn his hand to composition of chamber music, seems odd to me. It seems to devalue both pop and "serious" music. Chamber music is cast as what you write when you can no longer write pop music: Is it "easier," somehow? Yet there's more than a whiff of self-importance in the presentation—that faux-Schirmer-folio CD cover, even if meant as a joke, still feels like a decisive (and defensive) repudiation of his pop-musician past.

That's how it feels to me, anyway. And, given that Joel has had considerable triumphs in the pop field from which he is so eager to distance himself, while his accomplishments in the world of "serious" music have been, well, limited... well, it rubbed me the wrong way.

And name-calling ill befits you.
 
  
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