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The 'Lovely Cats for Mist' thread. [PICS] + cat discussion

 
  

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zedoktar
18:01 / 05.09.07
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I can't believe I'm letting myself be baited like this... I bet you people get sexual thrills from this, sitting in your little office chairs, masturbating in your own feces.

Ok: The cats enjoyed lsd and e, not shrooms. Is that so hard to infer from my post?

Fuck your semantic pedantrics.

moving on!

The lab report was from some research documents on Erowid. Also, I was slightly mistaken in quoting said text; The 6 week comedown was a result of a 3 week dosage, which would fuck anyone up for a while. I really despise science sometimes. Did you know they once shot an elephant up with lsd (300 times the human dose) and then killed it with thorazine trying to counteract it? (it got so high it fell over, as I recall, and the scientists went apeshit)

I took the time to specifically look up the effects of drugs on cats, trying to make sure they were ok. We were considering calling a vet, but the cats were all fine, and later vet checkups found them all to be as healthy as ox.
and to be clear: the first time around we were only a little high, clear headed to enough to rationally observe and care for our cats while determing the best course of action.


Drugs DO transfer through sweat, retard, its called a contact high. Rub your face in someones armpit when their tripping balls and lets see how high you get. Simple process: excess chemicals get sweated out. big time. Leaves all fabrics that touch it smelling rubbery the day after.
I know people who do that, they take a dose, and then their SO gets the contact high without getting the full trip. In fact, I dated a girl who preferred doing it that way.

And when your so high you can't walk, its pretty easy to suddenly find yourself petting a cat and realize its been there for some time without your clueing in. Exit cat, stage left. When you have a 3 second memory and the walls are covered in dancing flowers, a cat is pretty easy to miss.
The Siamese addiction thing is, admittedly, my own theory. They are known for getting *extremely* attatched to people, and she was a potato chip addict before she discovered e, so it maybe Siamese are prone to it? The other cats were WAY WAY less interested for the most part. Could be it was just her.

I never contradicted myself. We never fed straight drugs to any animal, and we strove to avoid getting the cats high deliberately, once we knew it could happen.
And blowing smoke in anyones general direction, be they cat or puny human, is not *nessecarily* feeding them drugs or however you want to phrase it; its a dick move blowing smoke in anyones face, I'll admit, and yeah, I have done it being the punk kid I was. I wouldn't do it now, but I don't feel too torn up over it. I've done plenty of asshole things in my youth; We all do. Some of us still do.

I'm done being trolled by you bloody mormons on this. I hope I've made my position clear. Experience and meticulous research (and while I may not be a biochemist, I still take the time to learn EVERYTHING about any substance I would consider taking, medical or recreational) have shown that kitties can handle their drugs, and seem to like it, but that does not mean you should do it.

If I suggested earlier that you should "accidently" get them high, then I misspoke (typed?). I only meant cats are entertaining to have around when your tripping, not that you should get them high. Fact is, science doesn't have that much to say on anything other than lsd, and I for one don't think its worth the risk. Even my drug-crazed ex agreed on that point.
In any case, it was irresponsible and dumb, no doubt about it, but it turned out just fine in the end. In truth, while I don't regret any of my drug adventures, I don't reccomend anyone start, ever. I still support legalization, same as smoking, which I hate. Its a weird position, but whatever. If you do it, do it well. If not, better not to start.

Fuck, what a waste of breath over a ramble about missing my kitties.
Can we go back to just loving cats and being happy now? I'm sure we'd all rather do that than yell at each other over the internet.

I for one will NOT interact with this idiocy any more. Its a waste of time and energy, and other peoples ignorance and anger simply does not matter to me.

Also, heres some of my kitties, who last I saw were the healthiest, happiest, most loving cats on this Spaceship Earth.

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Smokey being a Sheik. Him and his sister *loved* getting pics taken. They actually pose quite a bit for it, ruining most attempts at random shots of them being cute and weird.

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Ice, the e-cat, is on top. Smokey on bottom.

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Gizmo. He was mean when he was younger, but he became my best friend in the last few months before I moved. My ex had 17 or so ball pythons, and he was fascinated by them. I think he wanted to hunt them, but he never got the chance. He was the only one that was really my cat, the rest had their own people to glom onto. This was the giant cat (think cocker spaniel size) who beat up the other cats, and people, when they were on drugs. He was downright disturbed by it, and on the odd occasion where he got it, he was downright disturbing.

I'll post a few more when I get them, y'all still have to see Memphis, AKA Little Kitty.
 
 
zedoktar
18:06 / 05.09.07
One final foot note: I may have sounded sexist calling you "old women" but I was referring to the old, senile part, not the woman part. I for one am kind of partial to women. It could have just as easily been old wombats or old hermaphroditic heroin junkies for all I care.

So shove it in your orifice of choice and spin.
 
 
Mistoffelees
18:26 / 05.09.07
Why did you even bother getting an account on Barbelith, if all you do is trolling and namecalling?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:33 / 05.09.07
Jokesuit, surely.
 
 
EvskiG
18:39 / 05.09.07
My favorite parts of those posts:

"sitting in your little office chairs, masturbating in your own feces"

"Fuck your semantic pedantrics"

"Drugs DO transfer through sweat, retard, its called a contact high"

and, best of all,

"I'm done being trolled by you bloody mormons."

By the way, while I love Erowid, if you "accidentally" give funky substances to your cats in the future I recommend calling a hotline like the ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center.

Genuine vets with genuine knowledge. Called them once when one of my dogs ate a pill intended for the other. (She was fine.)
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
18:48 / 05.09.07
Could a non-joke suit possibly have posted a response that hit so many of the same beats as a parody posted hours earlier? Please tell no. Please.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
19:08 / 05.09.07
On a related note, what are people's thoughts on catnip? I've always had an aversion to exposing cats to the stuff, and to people who think it's okay to do so, for much the same reasons one, if sane wouldn't feed a cat MDMA, but I've gotten into fairly heated arguments with otherwise reasonable people, who with regards to catnip adopted arguments not a million miles from zedoktar's as to why it's okay to drug cats with the stuff.

I'm fairly sure I'm not being a greyfaced stick in the mud about the issue, but I'd be interested to hear if anyone is aware of any compelling chemical or biological arguments as to why gicing catnip to cats does not in fact constitute spiking them with drugs.
 
 
shockoftheother
20:13 / 05.09.07
First, there is no evidence to suggest that the contact high phenomenon is caused by the transfer of drugs through sweat. If you've read Shulgin (which, being such a l33t psychonaut, you undoubtedly have), you'll have read the incident in the 2C-I report where a contact high is reported. It's online here. At no point does it mention skin contact, and at the dose at which 2C-I is active, the concentration in sweat would likely be in picograms/mL. The concentration of LSD would be the same if not lower.

What leads me to that conclusion? Well, in the study Usefulness of Sweat Testing for the Detection of MDMA after a Single-Dose Administration (in Journal of Analytical Toxicology, Vol. 27, July/August 2003, and thanks to our friends at Erowid, online here) we see a patch over 15.4cm2 skin surface area collect between about 300 and 1000 nanograms of MDMA (depending on subject) through sweat in a period of 24 hours. Given that the active dose in humans is about 100mg, it's somewhat unlikely that even if you licked the pits of your friends you'd achieve any noticeable effect - especially given that it'd take 24 hours to get even that amount out of your sweat. Then you have to consider that your cats aren't even licking your sweat, but that you're actually stroking them, you have to consider the rate of absorption through skin & fur, which is a considerable barrier.

So. It seems to me that if you're getting your cats high, it's more likely because you're feeding them drugs more than anything else. And that, as should be clear by now, is something only a major-league asshole would do. And don't blame it on being so fucked that you couldn't tell what you were doing. To give drugs to a cat you have to be capable of willing and carrying out the action, and if you can do that then you're aware enough of what you're doing to take responsibility for it.

You say you took the trouble to look up the effects of drugs on cats, in particular LSD. A brief search only turned up here and here. Yes, you can probably draw from those reports that a dose of LSD will most likely not kill your cat, but it hardly seems to lend any support to the idea that they'll *enjoy* it. The cardiac effects indicated in the former paper, and the behavioural observations in the latter seem to indicate - to me at least - that the experience is likely to be unnerving at best.

All of which detracts from the central ethical issue here - which you seem resolutely not to get - which is that feeding drugs to your animals for your own amusement is wrong. You seem to have adopted this slightly weird position where you almost recognise that it's a shitty thing to do, but, actually, it was OK 'cause they enjoyed it. And it's all reasonable anyway 'cause you're a kerrrazzy psychonaut chaos magician.

Look, it's really clear that you've misjudged your audience here and thought you were going to get some sort of positive reaction from kitties on drugs, you didn't, and you're flailing around for explanations or redefining how far you were involved with it. Whatever. I think you could act with grace and admit that not only was it a dickish thing to do, but that bragging about it online is also a dickish thing to do.

And yeah, I really wish that you were a parody suit, but from your postings in Temple, I rather suspect you're real. I'm kind of staggered that you think the Barbelith reaction to this would be anything other than it has been, as one of the reasons I joined was the general emphasis on resposibility for speech and action that seems to be the general ethos of the board, and the disdain with which solipsistic egowanking seems to be treated. (That, and anywhere I can talk about Walter Benjamin *and* the interactions between BDSM and magic has to be worth joining.)
 
 
zedoktar
20:29 / 05.09.07
There was a parody earlier? cause I really aint a jokesuit. I got an account here 'cause it seemed like a rad place to communicate and philosophize with like-minded people.
And thanks for the Poison Hotline tip, we had never thought of any such thing.

Catnip, well... its organic? lol. My ex's mom considered it on par with feeding weed to your kids, and I've known cats who hated the stuff, so I guess that ones a matter of preference on all sides.
It seems like a fairly safe way for your cat to get ripped, and virtually all animals will get ripped any way they can. Just look at the assortment of animals that eat rotten fruit and get fall down drunk off it. I've known a fair few cats and dogs that loved beer; I had a cat who just decided he wanted beer one day and hopped in the sink when I was pouring out some half-empty cans. Of course, that didn't go far. For all I know, my alcoholic roomy could have been feeding it to him behind my back. I didn't even drink then, and thought it was just awful.

I used to know a ganja growing granny who's cats ate her plants several times, (cats tended to sit on the floor and spin their heads around when they did that) and when I tried growing salvia, my cats ate the plants into shreds.

I say animals, like the people-animal, love to get a little skewed, and if, like in the case of catnip, theres a fairly safe and ok way for them to do it, thats pretty cool. I know a guy who likes his acid and has a cat, but instead of giving the cat 'cid, he gives him some catnip, and they have a blast. Its pretty funny watching the dude staring at the cat and babble at him "Far out, eh, Jim? Far out!" every once in a while.
 
 
zedoktar
20:34 / 05.09.07
Yeah, I fucked up and misjudged my audience. and while I guess the cat couldn't tell me if it like it or not, well, watching them in action leaves no doubt they had a ball.

and the contact high has been observed and experienced by myself and others; whatever the reason, it does work. Theres a school of thought that says its all vibes and energetic effects, but who knows for sure.
In any case, its over, let it die.
 
 
HCE
21:38 / 05.09.07
Alternatively, you could fuck off & find someplace where your fresh style will be appreciated?



lol
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:48 / 05.09.07
Just for future reference, we try not to use the word "retard" round here if we can help it as well.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
22:38 / 05.09.07
I used to give my cat catnip and then a friend, after both of us getting kind of boozed up one night, asked me if I'd get a child jacked up on heroin because I thought it made the kid act funny.

And while there are arguments to be made for catnip being non-addictive and yadda yadda, that was enough to make me stop giving my cats catnip.

So if you're greyfaced, I'm right there with you.

In other news, since this is a pics-of-cats thread, this is Enemy Cat Socks:




The second picture provides a coda to the Enemy Cat story, as I eventually decided that I just need to keep the house closed because I can't intimidate or prove dominance over Socks.

I mean, how does a guy achieve dominance over a cat that has bigger testicles than he does?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:20 / 05.09.07
I dated a girl who preferred doing it that way.

DUDE! YOU dated a girl who liked to rub her face in your armpit when you were tripping balls? It's like we're the same person! Whenever I trip balls, I can't get the ladies out of my armpits. They're like mushrooms... 'CEPT YOU CAN'T EAT THEM AND GET TOTALLY FUCKING RADICALLY HIGH!

Except, you know, if they are sweating E out of their parts. That could work.

Screw you women who try to put Zedoktar down. You're weak and stupid, like women. And that ain't misogynist - I love women! I like doing really nasty shit with women.

Well, I would.

Given the opportunity.

How could I hate them?
 
 
grant
01:13 / 06.09.07
On the catnip thing... I'm trying to remember something about an old cat we used to have. It had a catnip-like response to some common seasoning/plant we kept in the kitchen. I can't remember what it was -- oregano? Mint? Something in the food. Our food.

The little reprobate.
 
 
Joy Division Oven Gloves
10:48 / 06.09.07
Could your mint plant have been catnip? There's quite a few varieties, all part of the mint family. If memory serves me right you can use at least some of the varieties are used in cooking.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
11:54 / 06.09.07
Theres a school of thought that says its all vibes and energetic effects, but who knows for sure.

Alternatively, in answer to the question 'where were you while we were getting high?' the cats might have replied 'We iz in yore bathroom, drinking from yore toiletz'?

At least I've heard this works with fly agaric, and E.
 
 
Tsuga
20:12 / 06.09.07
Wow, a whole school of thought.

The plant grant's talking about is probably Nepeta. We have it in our garden, the cats will occasionally roll in it for a minute.
 
 
Tsuga
20:13 / 06.09.07
But, we're lucky. We don't have any of those fucking crackhead Siamese.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:07 / 06.09.07
The front page of today's Sun has a piece on Pete Doherty allegedly giving his cat crack. It made me think of this thread, strangely.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
01:03 / 07.09.07
Pete is getting his act together though, by all accounts.

The cat/crack/blood paintings days are something he's apparently trying to put behind him.

The lightweight.
 
 
Katherine
14:08 / 10.09.07
The plant grant's talking about is probably Nepeta. We have it in our garden, the cats will occasionally roll in it for a minute.

Sounds like it to me as well. I do grow catnip for myself as I enjoy the tea however it has meant some security measures about the plant, I grow it under a wire basket with holes too small for cat paws and pegged down with foot long tent pegs.

Even then if they work in tandem you can come hom to find a sleepy cat on top of stalks trapped in a wire basket. One cat really likes it and the other one will enjoy it for a minute then change it's mind and wander off.

When I'm at home I will do some reading into catnip and cat behaviour, to be honest it hadn't occured to me before possibly because the reaction I have seen is manic eating of the plant then sleep for a couple of hours which isn't too different to how that cat eats and sleeps normally. I admit it is stupid of myself not to consider these factors before hence thanks to all for bringing it up.
 
 
Tsuga
01:09 / 20.09.07
So I'm kind of miserable now, but I'm not posting in that thread. Two and a half weeks after our young cat disappeared, now most certainly dead, one of our old cats died, the night before last. I'm really, really sad about it, but he was so old, and I think that he had a really good life with us, so I'm glad for that.
I was just writing out this whole...thing...about this happening, and then reconsidered. I know you guys don't actually know me that well, I'm just disembodied words, and I know some people don't really want to read someone's gushing out about their cat's death, or things like that. Which I can understand, it's personal tastes. So because I don't want to take an emotional dump here, in Mist's thread, I'm getting back on topic and posting a picture of my two lovely cats (goddammit it's making me tear up to look at it in the preview, though):
 
 
Katherine
06:34 / 20.09.07
They are both gorgeous! I love the way one of them is trying to push the other one off the duvet.
 
 
Mistoffelees
06:44 / 20.09.07
So because I don't want to take an emotional dump here, in Mist's thread,

Of course you can do this here, Tsuga! This thread is not just for posting cat pictures but also for people to talk about their pet friends.

And don´t be so sure your young cat is dead. Someone else might have taken her in. For example, a friend´s cat was taken in by a neighbour in the same house and it took days, before she found out about it and could retrieve her catnapped feline.
 
 
Tsuga
09:15 / 20.09.07
Thanks, Mist- I know you're right, and that is a good thing about this thread. I just felt embarrassed, but I wanted to share that picture. I will say, Gabe looked just like that when I buried him, wrapped in an old fleece. He was always such a sweet cat.
 
 
Saint Keggers
14:16 / 20.09.07
 
 
Ticker
14:19 / 20.09.07
Tsuga my heart is out for you and yours.

Mah ol'kitty passed on some almost 4 years back and it still hurts. I had her for 20 years.
It does make me happy when her adopted catssons do something very much like her antics of old and while they are not a replacement they sure do help.

HUGGLES!!
 
 
Fritz K Driftwood
08:28 / 22.09.07
Tsuga, I second XK.

It is tough to let go. My little blind cat passed away 6 years ago, after spending 16 years with me, and I still think about her all of the time. I moved about a year ago, and about a month after moving I saw her out of the corner of my eye chasing invisible mice, so I know that she is still on the prowl defending me from sprites and poltergeists.
 
 
Mistoffelees
07:50 / 10.10.07
cat plays keyboard

This video is funny and bizarre, this cat is a comedy genius (or the clip has been edited well).
 
 
Dark side of the Moonfrog1
09:59 / 12.10.07
Myself and Mrs Moonfrog have just got a couple of kittens and unfortunately one of them has ear mites. The vet has given us some eardrops, which we have to administer twice a day. So far this has gone okay. However, the fur around his ears has now become quite greasy due to the drops running out his ears (regardless of how much we wipe away the excess after administering the drops). Does anyone have any good tips on how best to wash the fur around his face? Preferably, I’d rather use something as natural as possible that won’t distress him too much. Any ideas?
 
 
Cailín
18:56 / 12.10.07
Washing a cat (particularly around the face):

Option 1: Don't. If the grease is tolerable, and the drops are short-term, let it go - the kitty will sort it out. Just wipe away whatever excess you can in the meantime.

Option 2: If you absolutely have to do it, use as little water as possible. Use a damp cloth and baby shampoo (cheaper than pet shampoo, safe for kitty). Do not get water in his ears.

Good luck - depending on how fighty he is, you might want to trim his claws first. Most cats hate water, and in particular hate it near their faces.
 
 
Ticker
19:26 / 12.10.07
I find catses do well with damp terry cloth washclothes, maybe reminds 'em of Mum's raspy tongue?

I usually start with a heavy dose of pettin' and when they are relaxed use the wash cloth in a slow stroke in the same direction as the fur if I can.

I had to clean my boys' inner ears (the upper pointy part not the inner workings) and did so with organic unbleached cotton pads meant for makeup removal. worked better than I expected.
 
 
Triplets
01:16 / 13.10.07
catses

Cats. I mean, honestly...
 
 
Mistoffelees
18:19 / 23.10.07
A funny and strange video about a guy trying to sell people cat merchandise.
 
  

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