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SBR: I want you; I want to be you.

 
 
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14:21 / 08.05.06
I have a question which I'm a bit unsure about how to phrase (and even about what it is I want to ask), but it's something I've been thinking a lot about and am trying to make sense of. This question is based on my own experience and personality so I'll provide some background: I'm 16 years old (the reason I mention my age is that I'm curious if puberty and adolescence might factor into my confusion), male (though gender is an issue of some confusion for me as well) and would probably identify as bisexual (although I've had no sexual and hardly any romantic partners or experience at all). Also, as this will tie into the question, I might have some narcisstic tendencies: I often go back and forth between thinking I'm very good-looking, intelligent, etc., and the complete opposite, that I'm ugly, wrong and worthless and so on (I think this might be quite common with teenagers, though - is it?).

To the question: I've noticed that often when I become feel attracted to people I also feel an urge to look and dress like they do - this mostly happens with males, but sometimes also with females. The attraction here isn't attraction to people as persons, I should mention, but more aesthetical (although it's possible I also want to copy or become influenced by other qualities rather than the purely physical). I also find that oftenly the people I'm attracted to, if they are males, look a bit like me (which might be due to a conscious effort on my part to look like them - not sure which came first). A poster named faething mentioned something similar in the Male Androgyny thread: "Some sort of reverse narcissism. I want to be what I like."

So, in lack of a better way to ask, could anyone provide some thoughts or theories on why this is so, if it indeed is so at all? (I hope I didn't come across as egocentric here - other than that one other post I have no idea if this is a concern to anyone else at all, but I'm hoping the question and any possible answers to it might be of use to someone other than myself).


I'm reposting Janus' post from Bisexual 101 in its entirety. I thought this was an interesting topic that deserved its own thread. I have similar tendencies—when I have been pursued relationships with women, I have often pursued women who were extremely different from me. When I have pursued men, I usually pursue men with whom I feel some similarity. But a phase I had of dating exclusively women before I began to tinker with my gender I now recognize as a last-ditch effort to make myself into a woman by making myself more like the women I was dating.

I remember a conversation with a boy of mine (hetero-identified) where we joked, mildly uncomfortably, that when I told him "I want your body" I was really saying "I want to look like you." It was one of my worries regarding my transition that I would get halfway through it and realize that what I had taken to be "wanting to be like" was actually simple attraction and nothing more. I still have difficulty telling the difference. Do other people have this problem? How do you sort these things out?
 
 
ibis the being
21:13 / 08.05.06
Janus's original post definitely resonated with me. What he described was, for me, a big part of figuring out who I was when I was an adolescent. I think that trying on other identities is often a part of that process, and that can overlap with one's sexuality very often. As a straight female I did in fact find myself wanting to be like, or even be - in certain ways... in affectation, in mannerisms, in personality traits, but not bodily - the male object of my affections. And like Janus at other times I wanted to be like friends or crushes or people I admired of my own gender.

Probably at times this did mix up with sexuality in a way that was confusing... I can certainly think of one individual whom I wanted badly to be but instead found myself trying to be with. I think it's possible that the same confusion was happening on his end. This caused no end of grief... being friends never seemed "enough," but our feelings really couldn't be characterized as romantic nor even sexual when it came down to it - I used to think we were like two positive ends of a magnet trying to hook up together. In the end (after YEARS) our friendship exploded and died.

The net result of all that trying-on and emulation was, for me, (I think) sorting out which aspects of masculinity and which of femininity I could identify in myself, which I wanted to integrate in myself and which I wanted to reject. It may be that, in that capacity, sexuality was a sort of vehicle through which to explore my own identity... a means rather than an end.
 
 
Saturn's nod
04:38 / 10.05.06
This one's swung through my mind a time or two now,so maybe I have something to write on it.

My spouse is the one person I can say I know I don't want to be. I hugely admire/respect/cherish/desire hir, but I don't have that "wanting to be you" thing. But almost every other crush/attraction I've experienced lately has a pretty large component of "wanting to be you". I don't have any analysis to offer, just noting the the one person I feel committed to growing old and wrinkly with, I am very very clear that I want hir, but I'm not hir and don't want to be hir.

In the other crushes/attractions, my model is that the attraction is coming from the lower levels of my consciousness pointing out that I have something fun to learn with/from the other person (I understand if this sounds repulsively pragmatic to others). In the past years I have put quite a lot of effort into disambiguating sexual and friendship kind of attractions (partly due to deciding to try being sexual with only one other person, and needing to work out what that actually means). During that process I realised that all my friendships start with a kind of attraction/crush, whether I ever notice a sexual possibility or not.
 
  
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