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Should voting be compulsory?

 
  

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ibis the being
14:37 / 05.05.06
To be honest I feel that to count yourself as "not part" of American society is an absurdity when you are a legal US citizen, have a social security number, participate in the economy, pay taxes, and certainly if you collect on government benefits in any way (unemployment compensation, disability payments, social security payments, student financial aid, etc.).

Sorry to harp on the subject of taxation, but I can't seem to take it out of the equation when I consider the subject of voting. Why, exactly, does anyone want to be taxed but not represented in government? As a US citizen you have no choice about being taxed, unless somehow you can manage never earning, receiving, or spending a single penny (well, actually I think it's more like anything over $6000 but you get my point). I have a younger brother, he's 24, who refuses to pay his taxes, "on principle." Well, that's nice, but someday he's either going to pay his taxes plus a heap of penalties & interest, or he's going to go to prison. The government is, right now, spending your money. Do you not care how it's spent? That's the most selfish but in a way the most immediate & pressing reason to vote.

To reject the ability to have a voice in government seems almost perverse. In fact I do think a compulsory vote would be "legislation made in order to protect the wellbeing of others." When 20% of voting-age Americans don't have health insurance, 68% of them disapprove of the job the president's doing, 12% are below the poverty line (and the poor belong disproportionately to certain demographics)... and only about half vote in major elections, I think there is some legislation needed to protect the wellbeing of underrepresented people.

To be clear, I don't think anyone who doesn't vote "deserves what they get," or anything of that sort. But I guess I have to concur that they do choose it. They choose to let other Americans make choices that will likely profoundly affect their own lives. We do have some laws that "protect people from themselves," as it were. Massachusetts just passed a law that makes it mandatory for everyone in the state to have health insurance.

In looking for stats on how many people vote in the US, I found this study called The Choices Voters Make (WARNING, PDF). Take note of this paragraph on pp. 167-168 -

The puzzle of voting, or the calculus of nonvoting, is a topic whose emergence coincided with the appearance of rational choice theory in political science in the 1960s. Before then, virtually everyone took for granted that good citizens generally wanted to vote and would vote if given the opportunity. The failure of many people to vote in national elections typically was attributed to poor information or a lack of citizen duty among nonvoters. (Of course, everyone recognized that the failure of African-Americans to vote in the South was due to the fiercely enforced laws effectively barring their participation.)
When economists began to take on the topic of voting, which previously had been in the sole domain of political scientists, they pointed out that most people, political scientists included, had thought about the problem all wrong.
Rather than just taking for granted the proposition that all citizens naturally wanted to vote in congressional elections, these scholars reframed the question to ask, Under what conditions will a rational egoist vote?The answer that this question elicited, “virtually never,” has been provocative enough to animate many voting studies ever since.


The study goes on to discuss why people don't vote, why they do, what effects those choices have on elections, etc. I think the final conclusion that people who vote tend to do so for pleasure is a bit hard to swallow, but some of the statistics and facts are pretty interesting.
 
 
Char Aina
15:38 / 05.05.06
how do you all feel about the idea of a referendum to decide?
 
 
Dead Megatron
15:44 / 05.05.06
Can we vote on whether we want a referendum to decide?
 
 
Char Aina
15:50 / 05.05.06
that was kinda my point...
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
16:35 / 05.05.06
I completely agree that the "none of the above" option should be available to voters; without it I believe we have no real "choice". Indeed, I was under the impression that in the UK spoiling your ballot paper is pretty pointless at the moment as spoilt ballots are (to all intents and purposes) not counted or registered in the overall results. However, after a bit of Googling I discovered that, according to this website at least, this is not strictly true.

Also, I think it's worth mentioning here that another important factor in voter turnout in the UK is the fact that the electoral register can be used by other agencies to (e.g) track outstanding debts, so many people refuse to even register to vote. i.e. remember the Poll Tax? An edited version of the electoral register is also available for purchase by private companies/individuals, although an "opt out option" was recently introduced on voter registration forms (more info about access to the electoral register here).

In my humble opinion, electoral registers should be compiled exclusively for electoral purposes. Therefore, at the very least, until this and "none of the above" are adopted, I'm definitely against compulsory voting.
 
 
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16:49 / 05.05.06
Oh, god, the opt-out. Embra folk will remember what a screw-up that was when some officious arse decided that because those of us who had opted out of the full list didn't want unsolicited mail then the local council, when it came to a referendum on congestion charging, couldn't send us the ballot papers. If you wanted to vote on it you had to contact them at your own expense and ask.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
17:34 / 05.05.06
Does this then mean that those who choose not to vote essentially choose to be subject to whatever rules come their way?

I would say that's exactly what it means.

I've never understood people who refuse to vote out of "protest." If protesting means being completely ignored and marginalized, then I suppose not voting is a form of protest.

I would support a compulsory vote 100%. I'm sure there would be whining and complaining, akin to when wearing your seatbeat was made mandatory, but that would blow over fairly quickly, I think. You should also be able to leave your ballot blank (or check a "don't care" box or whatnot), so that no one could claim they were being forced to pick a candidate. I don't think many people would choose that option once they had to actually drag their lazy carcasses to the polls, however.

this two parties system of the USA is also very un-democratic, if you ask me, specially if both parties are right-winged. One is moderate righ-wing, the other is radical right-wing, as Gore Vidal would put it

It's truly awful. There need to be serious changes made to the entire system so that other parties are not marginalized the way they are now.

There's also the issue of shady Republican practices on Election Day. When the company that makes the machines that count the votes is one of the biggest Republican contributors, there may be a conflict of interest there, somewhere.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:09 / 05.05.06
I'm a bit confused about how compulsory voting elsewhere works. Is it compulsory if you're homeless? Is it tied to an address?
 
 
stabbystabby
23:49 / 07.09.06
it is tied to an address, so the homeless, indigent and people who live on the road tend to be excluded.
 
 
Timelord
11:55 / 11.09.06
I also live in Australia and, as has been said, voting has pretty much always been compulsory here.

Unfortunately, quality and worthiness are NOT compulsolsory in the candidates we have presented to us to vote for so I generally just walk in, get my name ticked off (thereby fulfilling my legal obigation), take the voting papers handed to me, rip them into shreds publically in front of anyone who cares to notice (and yes, people do notice) and deposit the shreds into the bin provided not for this purpose.

It makes me feel good.

Not making voting compulsory denies you of this pleasure. I mean, who'd bother otherwise, if you didn't have to?
 
 
Not in the Face
12:26 / 11.09.06
it is tied to an address, so the homeless, indigent and people who live on the road tend to be excluded.

Wouldn't they be excluded under an optional system as well, which also seems tied into having an address? At least with a compulsory system there could (and its a thin could I'll agree) be pressure to find some way to include them - especially with moves towards postal voting.
 
 
Mistoffelees
12:59 / 11.09.06
it is tied to an address, so the homeless, indigent and people who live on the road tend to be excluded.

I don´t know how it works where you live, but in Germany, homeless people can vote. Yes, you need an address, but they can be registered under the address of a friend or family. It doesn´t mean, you have to live there.
 
  

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