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All Acting Regiment
15:41 / 26.04.06
So I've got this exam tomorrow, about Renaissance Literature. Basically, we've been looking at nine or ten texts over the term. I've written an essay on one of them (Much Ado), and in the exam there's a question for each text, and we answer two of these questions, so I need to have stuff ready to say about two other texts from the course. We don't know what the questions will be, so it's best to get a general overview.

I'm going to do Hamlet and The Alchemist- a tragedy and a comedy. It's a closed-book exam, which means we aren't allowed to have the texts with us. So, I've been memorising the following checklist of stuff to write about, and I was wondering if anyone who noticed anything missing might tell me.

Hamlet: it's a tragedy, his flaw is wanting to damn, not just kill, Claudius; his uncertainty could represent civilisation during the renaissance (new ideas and an uncertain future; the ghost can only exist in purgatory, which only exists in Catholicism, and as Hamlet doubts it, it brings up all those contemporary religious questions- Hamlet might be protestant England doubting the old Catholic past; the play links into the Oedipus myth (Hamlet may desire his mother); the play references the (here we go) human condition viz-a-viz passing of time, changing world around a powerless human being.

The Alchemist: it's a classic comedy, what with the lord going away and letting the servants rule the roost and then returning at the end; the main riff is about alchemy as a possible tool for transformation and evolution/growth, yet at the same time it's something that is corrupting, they use it to trick money out of people and it divides them/makes them argue, and eventually blows up the house- perhaps there are no magic bullets?- it's a social satire on contemporary London, but also on eternal aspects of (chocs away!) the human condition, such as the greed of Epicure Mammon or the Alchemist himself.

So there we go. Do tell if you think I'm missing anything. I'm going to bed early tonight, having read through both texts and eaten a healthy curry.
 
 
sibyline, beating Qalyn to a Q
15:51 / 26.04.06
Hamlet: it's a tragedy, his flaw is wanting to damn, not just kill, Claudius.

Don't you think Hamlet's tragic flaw is not his desire to damn or kill Claudius, but his inability to do so? I mean, there are a lot of ways that can be put--uncertainty, indecision, over-introspection--but it seems like an important distinction to make. I guess for me it's not necessarily the intention, but the mental state that makes him incapable of carrying out the intention.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
15:56 / 26.04.06
Good point. That's his major flaw, but it comes to the head when, able to kill C easily, Hamlet can't bring himself to do it because C is praying/repenting and will thus go to heaven if killed...
 
 
*
16:01 / 26.04.06
Legba, I think your reading is an interesting one. It's not just that he wants to kill Claudius, it's that he wants to take on God's power to decide whether Claudius is saved or damned. It's a sin of pride as well as wrath.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:21 / 26.04.06
I'm going to bed early tonight, having read through both texts and eaten a healthy curry

Your post implies that tonight'll be the first time you've done any of these things - if so, you've possibly left it a little bit late, especially if you're using Barbelith instead of passnotes, or even a copy of Hamlet on DVD, but I admire your spirit! Well done! (And good luck tomorrow!)
 
 
whistler
16:53 / 26.04.06
Hi Legba, no helpful course related comments from me I'm afraid - but I am also preparing for an imminent exam (on Friday) and therefore am just popping in to wave and express encouragement.
Last time I did an exam I came home and had the most incredibly good nap afterwards. The whole, horrid ordeal may have been worth it just for that...
 
 
*
16:57 / 26.04.06
Am I the only one who thinks curry at bedtime the night before an exam is bad news?
 
 
Shrug
18:28 / 26.04.06
Should you not be staying up until five cramming, getting two hours sleep and blitzing the exam based on crazed adrenaline power, then?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
19:53 / 26.04.06
Hullo all. No, it's not the first time I've read both text, just a final checkup. Curry is a mild and healthy one form Sainsburies. Good luck to the chap/ette with the exam on friday.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:07 / 26.04.06
Break a leg.

Preferably an invigilator's and not your own.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:27 / 26.04.06
It's not just that he wants to kill Claudius, it's that he wants to take on God's power to decide whether Claudius is saved or damned. It's a sin of pride as well as wrath.

That's an interesting reading of Hamlet exitation I never thought about. But, is it really a "sin of pride and wrath" if what he wants is to be sure that his father gets fully avenged, and thus redeemed*?

*it may even be an example of ancient "pagan" justice/revenge, in the sense that fatricide (murder of kin) and regicide (murder of a king) are the worst possible crimes and must be properly avenged. It makes me think of the Furies in Sandman (but, keep in mind I'm no expert by any means, which the source I chose to quote makes clear). And pagan references like that were quite fashionable during Renassance, I reckon.

[and as an aside, I really don't get this Barbelithian obsession with curry]

Anyway, Legba, good luck.
 
 
*
20:31 / 26.04.06
That's why the problem isn't that he wants to kill Claudius; that's justified. The problem (in this reading anyway) is that he wants to take on the power of eternal judgment, by making sure Claudius goes to Hell. Pagan justice is somewhat aside— the pagans weren't known for trying to take away Zeus' power of judgment over Heaven and Hell, since those concepts didn't apply.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
20:43 / 26.04.06
Also, the ghost (either Ham senior or a demon in disguise, who knows) doesn't ask for Claudius to go to hell...just to be killed.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:59 / 26.04.06
Hmm, good points. I love people smarter than me.

either Ham senior or a demon in disguise, who knows

That's another point rarely touched: what if the ghost were indeed a demon in disguise? Just because he/it told one truth (Claudius did kill his brother), it doesn't mean everything he/it said was truth. What makes me think that now is that such revelation brings only more tragedy, but no justice, and thus takes more once-good souls to Hell (I'm thinking of suicidal Ophelia most of all, but any one of the many deaths in the play may apply). To use the truth to cause evil is a very savvy trick of the Devil, isn't it? That would be an interesting point to approach in an essay, if not in an exam.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
21:14 / 26.04.06
Also, the ghost exists in purgatory, which only exists (in Shakey's context) if you're a catholic. Shakey's audience were supposed to be good protestants.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
06:22 / 27.04.06
Okay. It's in about half an hour. I'm ready, goshdammerungit. I'm ready.
 
 
Loomis
09:15 / 27.04.06
Also worth considering to what extent Hamlet’s decision not to kill Claudius while he is praying is only an excuse because he doesn’t have the conviction to go through with it.
 
 
Shrug
10:57 / 27.04.06
Hope it went well, Legba.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:42 / 27.04.06
Aha! Aha ha ha! I piss in it's milk, yes! Done the exaM...

dONE iT!!111!!
 
 
petunia
18:57 / 27.04.06
Do i see the evidence of a celebratory pint (or five) in your post Legba?

I sure hope so.
 
 
Dead Megatron
18:59 / 27.04.06
"I piss in its milk" is a very disgusting mental picture, yes. But I digress

How did it go, Legba? Did you nail it?
 
  
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