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Ken Doll: vapid male escort? OR, Is it bad to be male?

 
 
matthew.
17:08 / 21.04.06
The new Ken Doll is here and has been re-introduced in a flurry of media exposure.
here,here,here, and here is a pic of one version of the two pronged assault: here.

Ken is coming out in two forms: Beach Fun Ken and the less California version, who is decked out in a black motorcycle jacket, torn jeans, a large bag with an oddly phallic design on the front. If you scroll down a little here, you'll see some great pics.
. That's him on the right.

Camille Paglia has said that the next step for Ken is to become transgendered, because any male attributes are considered "bad" and "scary". This makes sense: prepubescent girls don't need extremely manly men as love interests for Barbie. Or do they? Paglia says that our culture is currently distrustful of male attributes.

Barbie is a multi-tasking career woman. Mattel gives a running "plot" to Barbie and Ken, and currently Barbie's job is a "baby doctor," while Ken's job is to be a "beach guy". Has Ken simply become an accessory? Like Brad Pitt following Lara Croft like a meek silent assistant?

I'm thinking about this in a larger sense. Let's take a hypothetical. If Barbies and Ken shape and form little girls' gender politics and expectations, like Barbie is a strong career woman and Ken is a "beach guy," then what happens to their expectations of gender roles in the real world (where statistically men still make more than woman in the same job)? If Barbie does positively shape girls' self-empowerment (if it does that), then does it minimize the role of the male in the dynamic? Does Barbie also reinforce more heteronormative dynamics and downplay any gay dynamics?

What do you think?
[Mods, feel free to move this.]
 
 
matthew.
17:12 / 21.04.06
I should also express a disclaimer here. First of all, I don't pretend to have any answers. I make no argument. I'm just asking questions.

Second of all, I'd like to admit that I blatantly plagiarized this from an article in either Details or GQ. Can't remember which. But, I expanded on it. So there.
 
 
*
17:19 / 21.04.06
Can you bold, italicize, or put quotes around the text that isn't yours? That would be appreciated (by me).
 
 
Char Aina
17:39 / 21.04.06
perhaps his are male attributes, but those of another species?

 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:44 / 21.04.06
I honestly can barely tell the difference between Camille Paglia and Anne Coulter these days.
 
 
Isadore
18:07 / 21.04.06
I think the discussion of why so many girls mutilate their Barbies may be of interest here.

They can market this stuff however they like -- and emasculating maleness may be a factor, though I'd think Mattel's business policy is much more reactive and focused on "how can we make money??" -- but it's the individuals who end up with the dolls who decide what they mean, and why.
 
 
matthew.
05:28 / 22.04.06
Flyboy, is that a reference to my posting of Coulter's offensive Jeremiad in the Duke Rape Scandal thread? Or are you being serious? Because I thought Paglia was a feminist/social critic. Not an idiotic Republican with no facts:

For example, Coulter once told a Canadian journalist that during the Vietnam war, Canada gave lots of troops to the cause. Which is untrue. The journalist said, "No, I don't think so," and Coulter proceeded to argue.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:10 / 22.04.06
I think this is more Mattel floundering around as they have done with the Barbie brand for ages. Are Barblie sales going down or up or holding steady? Anyone got any figures? I would guess that now that Barbie isn't the homemaker any more that would automatically put stress on Ken, after all, are Barbie's target market going to want to buy lots of exciting career suits for Ken too? They can't get rid of him completely because then some over-excitable Christian group will boycot them for 'promoting lesbianism' or some similar sort of silliness. They're between a rock and a hard place.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
09:08 / 22.04.06
Lady, it looks like sales of Barbie dolls have been dropping for some time -this article from 2004 blames computer games, this one from the same time blames Bratz. And finally, a more recent one that indicates sales are still falling...
 
 
enrieb
20:26 / 22.04.06
If Barbie is so popular, why do we have to buy her friends?

Steve Wright
 
 
foolish fat finger
21:06 / 22.04.06
thanks for the Steven Wright link!

I am inclined to agree with Camille Paglia. I think she has some interesting views.

I think there is a feminising of culture... I don't really know tho.

something that stood out to me was an ad I saw years ago- a guy goes home, and then he gets punched thru the window of his fifth storey apartment, and lands in a swimming pool. it's ok tho, cos he works as a stuntman. the tagline- "the new *some car or other*- ask before u borrow it". the presumption is that his girlfriend owns the car, and also likes to practice domestic violence. maybe it's another man. no, I think it was definitely a woman. anyway, it's an obvious point to make, but if u reverse the roles... it would not be allowed to be shown. but as it's a woman attacking a man, it's ok?

I don't really know about barbie and ken. my gut feeling is that both of them represent values such as aquisitiveness, superficial beauty, and sanitised and conformist modes of conduct, that... I sound like I am applying for a job writing for the society section of the guardian...!

this may be slightly O/T, but for me it is important- I don't think that pay is split between gender lines, but between rich and poor. when I was a cleaner, a dishwasher, and a playworker, I was paid the same pittance that the women doing those jobs were, and there are plenty of men in the same boat. the pay imbalance, in my opinion, seems to apply to people who in my opinion have a grossly inflated pay-structure in the first place. I am not saying that makes it ok, but I do think it's not ok to pay a cleaner £9K a year, and an executive £70k a year, male or female. it's just wrong, to me.

I am already unsure if I still agree with any of the points I just made, but I meant them when I wrote them...wnf
 
 
All Acting Regiment
22:41 / 22.04.06
Do you think the gender pay difference in higher paid jobs, and the old boy's network that runs it, is something that perhaps keeps women out of that area?

And are you sure that violence against women isn't shown/condoned in the media? What about lad's mags? Isn't the obviously cartoonish violence shown in the ad there as if to say "haha, as if women would hit a man...ridiculous! Unless of course she had bought our new car and wnated it for herself!"
 
 
matthew.
23:31 / 22.04.06
RE: Pay equity, found here:
2000 Median Annual Earnings of Year-Round, Full-Time Workers

All Men: $37,339 (100%)
All Women: $27,355 (73%)

I think that the wage gap is commonly regarded as fact. It's also a fact that it's unfair and archaic.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
00:40 / 23.04.06
Because I thought Paglia was a feminist/social critic.

Paglia identifies as feminist - however, her views on forms of feminism other than her own idiosyncratic one are remarkably similar to those of a certain gentleman currently having a thread in the Policy devoted to him. Feminism has gone too far, most feminists are sexually repressed man-haters, women who wear short skirts in 'rough' neighbourhoods are asking for it. She also thinks that the media is constantly ramming homosexuality down our throats (mind you, I'm not sure she thinks that's a bad thing). Or, to add a few verbatim quotes:

"Feminism has become a catch-all vegetable drawer where bunches of clingy sob sisters can store their moldy neuroses." "If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts."

When Paglia originally became prominent, I think many people thought she was a breath of fresh air because of her anti-censorship, pro-porn, pro-sex, pro-pop culture positions. However, in the time since then a) her more reactionary tendencies have become more pronounced, and b) it has generally been realised that one can be anti-censorship and pro-porn while still criticising current existing pornography, pro-sex without buying into established male heterosexual narratives, pro-pop culture without painting leftists and all other feminists as hairshirt-wearing fun-haters and, generally, that one can be critical of various schools of feminist thought without using misogynistic language and propagating sexist myths. Myths such as the idea that "our culture is currently distrustful of male attributes", which is blatantly false to anyone who has spent more than five minutes observing our culture without the assistance of massive ideological blinkers or crazy pills.
 
 
matthew.
01:48 / 23.04.06
(non sarcasm) Thank you for clarification. I had taken her at face value, it appears. This may do with some more examining of my opening premise then.

Myths such as the idea that "our culture is currently distrustful of male attributes", which is blatantly false to anyone who has spent more than five minutes observing our culture

Is it possible that perhaps the current culture is moving away towards the uber-heterosexual paradigm? Now, this is completely anecdotal, but in my school and social circle (which are quite often separate), obvious male attributes are often derided. For example, the male who wears basketball short and an undershirt they refer to as a "wifebeater" is often seen as ludicrous and juvenile.

The males being sought are those that portray more... mystery(?) about their gender and sexuality. Ambiguity has become a desirable trait among the females. I work with numerous high school girls, all of whom are looking for a boy who is "emo". They use the term as a catch-all word meaning emotional, sensitive, quiet, shy. The term also denotes a very thin figure, very tight black clothing and sometimes, make-up, specifically eyeshadow.

Now, this is purely anecdotal, but it appears to me that the stereotype of the "jock" is having a tough time "hooking up".

So what I'm asking is, is it possible that we as a culture are moving away from heteronormative gender roles such as "jock" or "doctor" and towards "beach guy"?
 
 
matthew.
01:57 / 23.04.06
And I found this article here about enthusiasts of hardcore music wearing jeans designed for females, or "girl pants" as the article calls it. The jeans, combined with a white belt, signifies the hardcore image. A female quoted in the article says that boys wearing these girl pants is "the hottest thing ever".

Just so you don't think I'm talking out of my ass here.
 
 
Triplets
02:03 / 23.04.06
"our culture is currently distrustful of male attributes"

I direct you to any given Lynx(/Axe) advert on television.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
05:22 / 23.04.06
And I found this article here about enthusiasts of hardcore music wearing jeans designed for females, or "girl pants" as the article calls it.
That's so 2 years ago.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
05:27 / 23.04.06
Hey, it really was 2 years ago!
Denfeld and girl pants 2003
 
 
foolish fat finger
20:47 / 23.04.06
oh damn, u could have told me before I went out and bought a pair!

Do you think the gender pay difference in higher paid jobs, and the old boy's network that runs it, is something that perhaps keeps women out of that area?

Legba, I think it keeps out anyone who isn’t an “old boy”. my point is this- There are women in positions of power- there are no poor people in positions of power, male or female.

And are you sure that violence against women isn't shown/condoned in the media? What about lad's mags? Isn't the obviously cartoonish violence shown in the ad there as if to say "haha, as if women would hit a man...ridiculous! Unless of course she had bought our new car and wnated it for herself!"

Frankly no. and that is anyway, just one example. I am tired of ads that are saying no man on earth can cook/change a nappy/put on a washing machine without making a monumental f*ck-up. I find it incredibly patronising, and I no longer watch adverts. Which is probably wise.

I didn’t say violence against women wasn’t potrayed in the media. But I think that violence on that scale against a woman would not be shown on pre-watershed television. Personally I found that ad shocking, and not-at-all cartoonish. And even if it was cartoonish, that doesn’t mean much to me. Cartoon violence isn’t funny, unless it’s in a cartoon, in my opinion. Anymore than a ‘cartoonish’ rape would be acceptable. Seeing a man thrown thru a window on the fifth floor is supposed to make me want buy a car?

All Men: $37,339 (100%)
All Women: $27,355 (73%)

I think that the wage gap is commonly regarded as fact. It's also a fact that it's unfair and archaic.


I didn’t say there wasn’t a wage gap, Mattvara. My point is that the averages are skewed by pay at the high end, not the low end of the scale. Which I feel is proportionally a small minority of workers, and not representative. And in my opinion ALL of these people are overpaid, both men and women. In my own experience, there isn’t a pay gap in blue-collar jobs. But then who cares about the oiks?

Capitalism basically overvalues some work and undervalues other work. The biggest pay gap is between rich and poor. I mean, I think Jo Whiley is paid something like £50K a year less than Chris Moyles, even tho she works the same hours. Which is obviously wrong, especially as he is atrocious, dire, unfunny, and repulsive. However as she does earn around £100K a year, I am more inclined to feel sorry for someone who works on a check-out in a supermarket and earns F- all. I mean, how much dough do u want to sit around yackin an playin yr favourite tunes? With all due respect. and indeed, how much money can one person legitimately earn when there are people who are penniless or homeless? I don't know the answer to that one. that isn't an attack on Jo Whiley, by the way, but on the values that society promotes...

Re transgendered Ken- if Ken did become transgendered (or should that be trans-ken-dered?) they wouldn’t actually have to change anything. I mean, he’s got no willy, so that won’t be a problem. He has feminine features. And as for clothes, I guess he could just borrow some of Barbies. Of course, they might have to be altered slightly. But that would be a nice task for a young girl and her little sewing kit, and good training for when she becomes a wife and has to sew her husband’s buttons onto his waistcoat.

come on Barbie, let's go party!
 
 
Cat Chant
12:52 / 24.04.06
The males being sought are those that portray more... mystery(?) about their gender and sexuality. Ambiguity has become a desirable trait among the females. I work with numerous high school girls, all of whom are looking for a boy who is "emo". They use the term as a catch-all word meaning emotional, sensitive, quiet, shy. The term also denotes a very thin figure, very tight black clothing and sometimes, make-up, specifically eyeshadow.

I think one conceptual problem with this thread is a slippage between definitions of masculinity, maleness, manliness etc. The emo style you describe is a specifically masculine style - it is a way of performing gender which gives it to be understood that the performer is an emo boy.* There isn't only one masculinity, and if there were, in 2006 it's unlikely to be that sort of 50s-ish 'manly-manliness' which I bet Camille Paglia is referring to when she talks about the male attributes which are undesirable now (like what? emotional inarticulacy? violence? um, yes, those are undesirable, but not because they're 'male').
 
 
Disco is My Class War
14:27 / 24.04.06
My point is that the averages are skewed by pay at the high end, not the low end of the scale.

No, I think you may find that at the bottom end of the scale, more women are employed doing less well-paid kinds of work than men. For example, more women than men tend to be employed doing domestic labour, such as cleaning. You might earn the same amount of money for any given job, but it doesn't mean ther isn't a gendered division of labour in terms of kinds of work.
 
 
Not in the Face
14:36 / 24.04.06
Waggling naughty finger: My point is that the averages are skewed by pay at the high end, not the low end of the scale.

Not according to the UK govt which shows a consistent disparity across all age ranges at the lowest end of the pay scale

mattvara: Has Ken simply become an accessory?
More on topic I think Ken has always been an accessory because Barbie is marketed to girls. I can't recall any specific 'business model' Ken, although I'll admit to not paying much attention. He always seems to be the pretty boy clay partner molded to fit the expectations that Barbie presents at the time, there wasn't a need for him to specifically have a role.
 
  
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