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Tezcatlipoca
16:03 / 21.04.06
Being a member of a few other fora around the net, only some of them desperately geeky in nature, I'm wondering whether the 'lith wouldn't be advantaged by the inclusion of a 'views' counter under the thread, giving the number of times the thread has been accessed, regardless of a post.

Another advantage is that it might well prove a fairly good way to collectively ascertain which subforums get the most traffic.
 
 
matthew.
16:27 / 21.04.06
But to gauge traffic, we just see what thread is at the top of the forum list.

Perhaps you could explain further why a "viewed" counter would be advantageous. Currently, I see no reason for or against it, other than adding it would a lot of work for Mr Coates.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
16:38 / 21.04.06
I would prefer a "most recent reply by:" field over views, if I had the choice. That way I don't need to be bothered to know if my comment was 133 in the thread to see if someone replied, especially when the server runs slow for me.
 
 
Isadore
17:09 / 21.04.06
I like not having a 'views' counter, actually.

1) It adds clutter. I dig the simple stylings 'round here.
2) It adds anxiety and/or resentment (for me at least): "200 people have viewed my post and nobody's replied! What's wrong?"
3) I don't need it. When I read a forum I just check the top topic and remember its title and how many replies it has. Then, when I return to that forum later, any topics above that one are unread posts, and some below may also be if that topic's got more posts than I remember it having.
 
 
Tom Coates
22:40 / 21.04.06
I'm interested to know which are the current state of the art in message board softwares around the place that you've seen.
 
 
Triplets
22:48 / 21.04.06
Thread "popularity" can be gauged by number of replies and the quality of those replies if it's that important to you. Views are, at best, nebulous. What differentiates someone going into a thread, reading it, and deciding it's shit versus someone going into a thread, liking it and then not replying for whatever reason?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:48 / 22.04.06
How many people viewed a topic is fairly meaningless, really. All it illustrates is how exciting the title made it sound. I mean, I could start a topic with a fantastic sounding title, and just put the word "bollocks" in my initial post. Loads of people would look at it (before the inevitable lock/delete)... and what would that tell you? Nothing, other than that people click on stuff that looks interesting. And I'm sure you knew that already...
 
 
diz
04:23 / 22.04.06
I would prefer a "most recent reply by:" field over views, if I had the choice.

I second that. Most other boards I'm on use that, and it's dang helpful.
 
 
The Strobe
10:11 / 22.04.06
I'm interested to know which are the current state of the art in message board softwares around the place that you've seen.

Interesting question - because, primarily, most forums I'm on that aren't Barbelith are pretty much hell to use. I love the communities - and they use board functionality well, for instance, building "spoilers" functions into quotations, etc - but the software (PHPBB, vBulletin, etc) is all shit.

For me, the "state of the art" in forum software is the hyper-simple. So, by and large, Barbelith, but also something like Opinion, which looks like this:

http://fora.pragprog.com/rails-recipes

Opinion is hyper-simple, though, but it could easily be built open and extended.

For something more complex, but which places the appropriate emphasis on "content", Vanilla looks interesting:

http://lussumo.com/community/

though it has some unusual ideas/nomenclature.

And, of course, Barbelith, which I genuinely enjoy the process of using - it's simple and it's very fast. I get bored easily of slow, overcomplex, fiddly sites with tons of icons.

The thing almost nothing has, which Barbelith does, is the distributed moderation; I think that could easily be built into something like Opinion or even Vanilla, wheras building into the monstrosities that are vBulletin or the like would probably be hell. Barbelith is forum software built partly for the needs of its community, and also partly to fit an ideal of distributed moderation, which is why it's interesting - almost every other community I've ever been in starts with someone else's product.

I basically think that the process of using a board - find, post, search, PM (perhaps) - is relatively simple and should be kept that way. The administration and moderation are more complex, but ordinary users shouldn't have to deal with fiendish interfaces because there's so much going on.

It's why I like the simplicity of PM's here - the deliberate simplicity helps restrict their usage; you don't have a sent-box; you don't have endless nested quotes; it's more like passing pieces of paper around.

Regarding things requested so far - "last post by" is always easy to implement and very fast; counting numbers of posts can get slow (relatively speaking), and counting views can get very slow - if you're not careful - and might well need to be cached, which requires more complex thought, usually. Given the former is more useful, faster, and simpler, I'd consider supporting that idea. None of the ideas are impossible, but one thing that I like about Barbelith is the speed and simplicity, as mentioned above.

Tom - is any of that any use? I'd be interested in discussing that question more, possibly in a new thread.
 
 
Lama glama
07:52 / 23.04.06
What I'd really like to see on Barbelith is a clear, quick way of determining which topic has been posted. I know I can check the timestamp, but something bolder would be appreciated. I don't know if this is possible; how about using a bold font (like there currently is) to denote that a topic has been posted to since a user last viewed the board and having all topics that have not been posted to remain in some other standard font? Other than that, I absolutely adore the functionality of Barbelith and find its lack of sparkly shiny things incredibly welcoming.

I can sit down and read Barbelith for ages, while on other boards I'd be seizuring from the signatures and avatars. So, yeah..mostly loving how the Barb looks and operates and I apologise muchly for the threadrot.
 
  
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