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The music that Messes with your Miiiiind

 
 
petunia
23:57 / 17.04.06
So i was reading the Workplace Stories thread , where there was some mention of the 'brown noise' frequency and its effects. Somebody linked to the BrainWave Generator website.

The brainwave generator is a program that... generates brainwaves, i guess.. It plays various sound frequencies to you in order to create a relaxed and receptive state of mind. Some report increases awareness of psychic activity - out of body experiences, telepathy etc..

So i was wondering if anybody has any experience with using this program or any like it. Any interesting anecdotes or recommendations?

Also, does anybody know of any software like this which runs on os x? The bwg seems to be pc-only and i wanna play...
 
 
Dead Megatron
00:21 / 18.04.06
Have you ever seen the word-less documentary Baraka? Well, listen to the scene were there's a tribe (Indonesian? Thai? Central-American? I don't know) singing in a cult with a coreography *I* believe is a re-enactment of the History of the World (beginning to end)? That music opens my mind and sends it out there.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
00:54 / 18.04.06
The Cool Edit Pro audio editing programme has a tool called the 'Brainwave Synchroniser', which is supposed to allow you to add frequencies that mess with listeners' heads. Unfortunately it doesn't have any preset settings ('relaxation', 'excitation', 'riot control' etc.) so you kind of have to experiment with pretty much every frequency there is. Does anybody know some good ones?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
04:52 / 18.04.06
This here thingo is a cross-platform wave generator that should fit the bill.
 
 
Sam T.
10:05 / 18.04.06
Sbagen is lovely, and cross-platform. Thing is, you have to input a command line, which can be a bit repellent to most people. If anybody has trouble or questions making it work, let me know, I'll help.

A great piece of software which is related is OSS 3D. Cross platform also, but shareware. This is a plugin for your mp3 player, allows you to spatialize the sound in 3d. It has a brainwave generator function which works very well, read the relevant part of the manual before experimenting.

With it, you can be on the computer, listen to music, and entrain your brain at the same time. I love the 'Refresh' preset for waking up in the morning.

For OSX, there a small, simple, but awesome bw generator for live applications, which unfortunately isn't available anymore.

I've upped it here. Press the 'run' button first, raise the volume of the first sinewave, and there you go. Be cautious, it is a bit like a pro tool with no security. You can dial in what you want and sometimes, if you stumble, this can be a bit dangerous. Great for exploration.
 
 
Hawthorn
12:57 / 18.04.06
Not as sophisticated but I find the song Pelikanol on the Einsturzende Neubauten album of the same name, second disk, always does it for me. 20 minutes of muffled heartbeats punctuated by harsh shrieking. More fun than it sounds.
 
 
petunia
13:37 / 18.04.06
Thanks for the links, people.

I got sbagen and it seems to be woth fiddling around with. Does anybody have any tips for programming the frequencies?

Am i right in thinking that i just need to get the audio waves travelling at the same frequencies as the brain waves? If the Theta wave (for example) is measured at 4 - 8 Hz on an electroencephalogram, do i just need to set the audio frequency to 4 - 8 Hz to acheive the states associated with Theta waves?

Sam- Thanks for the file, it looks like a lot of fun. Have you got any tips or links to resources for good set-ups for it?

I'll also have to check out the Baraka and Einsturzende Neubauten recommendations. Heartbeats and screams make for an excellent evening, if you ask me...
 
 
Paolo
14:28 / 18.04.06
I attended the Monroe Institute several years ago on their Gateway program which uses Hemisync tapes to create altered states. The premise behind the tapes is a phenomena called Bineural beating to entrain the brain.

Playing sounds corresponding to brainwaves do not always work because the ear cannot pick up the low frequency. So suppose I wanted to generate an alpha state (8-12 Hz), Playing sounds at that frequency would not work. But if I were to play a note of 100 Hz in one ear and 108 Hz in the other I would "hear" a beat frequency of the different - 8Hz. This will serve to entrain the brain into an alpha state

I never did achieve an out of Body experience through the institutes tapes (although I did later on; but thats another tale) however did experience a lot of different psychological states which were (subjectively speaking) generated from the tapes. If you want to experiment the cd's are available. I have found the tapes ideal as a precursor to particularly deep meditations however and also oddly as a way to generate the sleep paralysis state.

Call me loopy if you will, but I tend to experience sleep paralysis occasionally and found that stopping the "focus 10" tape half way and then going to bed increases the possibility of experiencing the paralysis and through repeated, controlled familiarity got past the fear barrier on them. I also suspect that this has helped with other psychic experimentation I do as a paranormal investigator as I am more willing to let go of fear and open up.

Speaking personally however I have found that generating a state through brainwaves is not enough and that it needs to be combined with other practices such as visualisation, meditation etc

I have always been interested in looking at ultra high frequencies in order to induce supposed psychic states in the brain. Not something I have really experimented with yet though.
 
 
Sam T.
16:09 / 18.04.06
I got sbagen and it seems to be woth fiddling around with. Does anybody have any tips for programming the frequencies?

Try inputting this command line first:

sbagen -m river1.ogg -p slide 200+10/1 mix/99

What it does: Will play a binaural beat which has a beat of 10Hz, while dropping the carrier from 200Hz to 3Hz (or something). Bonus added of a nice flowing river sound.

Are we clear on the terminology? It is as simple as Paolo explained really. To recall his example, 100Hz in one ear, 108Hz in the other means a 'beat' of 8Hz (108-100), with a 'carrier' of 104Hz ((100+108) / 2).

Should entrain you to a nice 10Hz. You are right in thinking that the beat frequency correspond to brain frequency. By the way, this may be totally obvious, but you need headphones, even crappy ones. Adjusting the volume is very important. Binaural beats works at a certain level, you must find what works for you. In this example, you won't even hear them, adjust the sound of the river to something comfortable, not too high.

Sam- Thanks for the file, it looks like a lot of fun. Have you got any tips or links to resources for good set-ups for it?

No setup, no nothing. The developer isn't even responding to my mails.

This can be of help for exploration

Really, for now, you should just use sbagen with the above command line. Macbinaubeats needs constant tinkering with. Just keep it in your toolbox, you'll love it. Later.

Right now, it can only be of use for demonstrating the binaural illusion. Run it, get the volume on a low, comfortable level, the carrier to about 200Hz. Then, increase the beat just a tiny bit, the smallest step there is. You'll ear the sound going very slowly from side to side. It isn't. The thing is that your brain is equipped to notice very small phase difference between ears, which it uses to determine sound location. I'll upload a sound file of it later for those who ain't Mac blessed.

In the '-p slide a+b/1' above, 'a' is the carrier, which will be dropping constantly over half an hour, 'b' is the beat, held constant. Try different beat values. You WILL love 7.5 (based on an accurate sample of two people, including me).

More on that later.
 
 
Unconditional Love
16:21 / 18.04.06
I use a piece of software called fruity loops to provide backing for some music i make with a few friends, and to create various pieces of electronic music at home. One of my problems while using this is actually getting out of the first loop.

I find this the perfect trance tool, a multitude of layers of sounds can be added, panned etc to build an increasingly complex loop of sounds to induce trance in may different ways.
The sounds can be layered an adjusted to such an extent that after a while just by playing with the application you can learn what sounds and pace create the desired effect in you.
I dont know how brainwave generators work but i know it has something to do with alpha and theta waves etc, regular sounds create this corresponding behaviour in the brain and if everyday sounds are sampled and then played with, adjusting speed attack decay release etc not only can you create a highly effective trance state but also create a connotative sigilised soundscape from the sounds chosen to create the loop of trance induction.

At the moment i am working with some unidentified deep sea noises and clicking and belching sounds that various fish make to create percussion and the calls of seals. The idea is to create a sonic sigil that draws my imagination into the underwater depths and to explore various deep sea entities as they appear in fiction as well as in fact.

The idea of working with sound as ritual space is not new and ultimately echoes back to hand clapping and drums, working with alot of what are freely avalible applications these days it is possible to create the spell for oneself that many seek to create in the form of sound installations or music.

Fruity loops is unfortunately not free (the demo is) but there are many good freely avalible sound softwares here

Hitsquad
 
 
Sam T.
23:02 / 18.04.06
Call me loopy if you will, but I tend to experience sleep paralysis occasionally and found that stopping the "focus 10" tape half way and then going to bed increases the possibility of experiencing the paralysis

Now, that is mightily interesting. I've noticed too that the effects of 'focus 10' are very similar to sleep paralysis. How long is 'half-way' for you? I'm using one of the flavor of the reversed engineered 'focus 10' that comes with sbagen, for those which may have the same interest (just type 'sbagen focus-10-a.sbg' at the prompt).

Thanks for the info anyway, I'll put that to good use.

*I won't up any file to demonstrate the binaural illusion, we'll simply use sbagen for this:

sbagen -i 100+0.1/20

(remember, control-c stops the execution of sbagen)

This create a binaural beat which has a carrier of 100Hz and a beat of 0.1Hz. 20 is the volume. It is quite useless for anything else.

As Paolo pointed out, binaural beats in themselves don't really work. They are just a guide to help you attain some state of mind. Listen to some pure beat (sbagen -i 100+10/20) if you have difficulties entraining. Adjust the volume down so that you feel the sound moving, rather than hearing it. Quieter is very often the way to go, you'll notice that turning the volume down often amplify the effect.

Once you have it, you should close your eyes, relax, and focus on environmental sounds (this help magnify the binaural illusion). After a while, you should feel that the binaural beat is driving you towards a state of mind. Let go and accept that this external thing is controlling the 'gear' of your brain. Else, you're in for a headache.

@Wolfangel

Glad to see you're back!

Listening to repetitive sound loops which you can alter could be very hypnotic, I love it too! The basis of the efficacy and universality of music is probably the fact that it entrain our brain. A simple 4/4 rhythm played at a constant tempo is already a brain entrainment device after a few minutes. Am I alone in finding myself walking to the beat when I hear music in the street?

Here, we're talking about a different, although related, kind of brain entrainment. Binaural beats are way more direct than music, are quiet, and the frequency to which you are entrained can be changed rather quickly once your brain is 'in gear' to them. It does totally lack the emotions sounds loops can carry, obviously.

Talking about that, now that you got the hang of the 'slide' thing, you should try the 'drop'.

sbagen -m river1.ogg -p drop 01ds mix/99

This will drop the 'beat' from 10Hz to 2.5Hz over 30 minutes, while slightly dropping the carrier over the same amount of time. Try to remain conscious, but don't worry if you fall asleep, you'll awake very refreshed.

If you manage to entrain and remain conscious for about 15-20 minutes, you'll go through some very interesting states of mind, and possibly experience some kind of dream related stuff. Let go with the flow, as if you were gliding down a slide or going deep into the sea. Sometimes you will loose it, and sort of float up. Just let the binaural feeling help you gently lead you down again. This is invaluable practice for meditation and brain 'gear' control.

The beauty of all this is that it will train your brain, and give you some objective feedback which is lacking when meditating. When you're 'loosing' it, you will feel it while you are using binaural beats.

After a while you should be able to do the same thing naturally, without them. It has also the added benefit to somehow 'synchronize' the two brain hemispheres, making them work together.
 
 
Paolo
08:27 / 19.04.06
I'm starting to wonder if this thread should be in temple or Laboratory?

I dont really have any rules about when I stop the tape and normally go with my feelings as to when i'm in deep enough. Normally I take it as far as getting past all the preliminaries which the tape goes through; basically relaxing, putting all distractions out of ones head etc and then drift into the experience. Its just important to stop the tape before the end part which returns the brain waves to normal waking state.

What happens about 7 out of 10 times is I fall asleep shortly after going to bed and then wake up later on in the paralysed state. It does leave me feeling a bit woozy in the morning though. After doing this enough I found that feelings of panic fade persumably from familiarity.

I hope to get sbagen installed and working over the next few days as it might be useful to work with brainwaves from a more neutral generator. I have nothing against the Monroe system and find it useful, but there is some philosophical baggage it might be helpful to dispense with. I want to try combining brainwaves with music to see what happens. I have found that when I meditate to albums such as Mourning Sun and Elizium I get vision of Nephilim etc so if I could strengthen these with a brainwave entrainer I might achieve deeper experiences.

Has anyone ever tried experimenting with bineural beats and Salvia Divinorum?
 
 
Sam T.
11:57 / 19.04.06
I'm starting to wonder if this thread should be in temple or Laboratory?

Between the two, I would be partial for Temple, it is all Temple people there anyway, and I feel we'll all soon be gliding towards the occult end of the thing. Maybe use the Barbelith pager after that? I don't know.


Its just important to stop the tape before the end part which returns the brain waves to normal waking state.

Ok, see what you mean.

What happens about 7 out of 10 times is I fall asleep shortly after going to bed and then wake up later on in the paralysed state. It does leave me feeling a bit woozy in the morning though. After doing this enough I found that feelings of panic fade persumably from familiarity.

Couldn't wait, just tried a nap after some 15mn of focus 10-b. The old sleep paralysis thing was kind of back when waking up! I'm sure that a few more well timed session will do the trick. I plain forgot just how HARD it is to get out of bed with this. Thanks again!

Don't panic, you will sure get used to the 'can't breath, can't move' feeling after a while. It all goes better if you keep real quiet and relaxed. The more you'll try to shake it off the worse it will be. You can be back in a lucid dream in the snap of a finger, or maybe try to go for an OBE if that's your thing (never managed it myself).

I want to try combining brainwaves with music to see what happens. I have found that when I meditate to albums such as Mourning Sun and Elizium I get vision of Nephilim etc so if I could strengthen these with a brainwave entrainer I might achieve deeper experiences.

sbagen -m mynephilimmusic.mp3 -p drop 01ds mix/99

Just put the mp3s into the sbagen folder. It should be one long track, so rip your albums accordingly (tell me if you need help).

Has anyone ever tried experimenting with binaural beats and Salvia Divinorum?

I've tried with ecstacy and LSD, once. I didn't like it, the drug was pulling me one side, the beat another. I don't know if I'm hot trying it with Salvia.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
13:41 / 19.04.06
A musician I vaguely know has a project called Project Fallen, where he experiments with some of the auditory ideas that have been discussed here. If you follow that link, he links to a track of his and includes the warning:

Please note: sub- and infra-bass can be extremely bad for your health. Side effects can include: nausea, disorientation, sickness and a sense of terror or panic. In addition, it can seriously fuck up your speakers. So: please do not download this track if you fear any of the above.

I've yet to become brave enough to check it out, but thought someone here might be interested.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
13:44 / 19.04.06
What happens about 7 out of 10 times is I fall asleep shortly after going to bed and then wake up later on in the paralysed state. It does leave me feeling a bit woozy in the morning though. After doing this enough I found that feelings of panic fade persumably from familiarity.

Are you sure this isn't Sleep Paralysis? It describes the frequent experiences I have had with this particular syndrome over the years perfectly.
 
 
Unconditional Love
14:10 / 19.04.06
I think there may be a little auto suggestion going on with the project fallen track, but at the same time it was a curious sensation, a similar kind of sub bass is allegedly used by some evangelicals in america to induce a trance state at their gatherings.
 
 
Paolo
14:33 / 19.04.06
Are you sure this isn't Sleep Paralysis? It describes the frequent experiences I have had with this particular syndrome over the years perfectly.

It is exactly sleep paralysis. This is a way to artificially trigger the oh_so_fun experience.
 
  
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