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CorvusB
09:01 / 22.06.01
What exactly is an acid flashback? Do they really exist? Ever happen to anyone here?
 
 
SMS
09:01 / 22.06.01
www.erowid.org
 
 
Ria
13:21 / 22.06.01
have only done LSD four times.

the first time I took it I re-experienced many of the sensations and perceptions remembered in childhood which I had unlearned which stayed with me which 'tagged' with, say, a green color, some mental repetoires for me as dating from that time.

as far as flashbacks go I think they happen when something looks 'green' or 'greenish' or reminds me of somehting 'green' and then I enhance its greenness.

or, depending on my mood, not.
 
 
CorvusB
14:50 / 22.06.01
So it's just a deja vu of sorts?
 
 
Ria
14:07 / 23.06.01
quote:Originally posted by CorvusB:
So it's just a deja vu of sorts?


technically deja vu means a specific neurological event (which tends to happen to me while on LSD). I would call it just plain old memory.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
17:35 / 19.07.01
L.S.D. is soluble in fat. If a person uses acid heavily over time, L.S.D. will be laid down as the body stores fat over time. The notorious acid flashback (where a person will trip out long after the last time they dropped a tab) happens when the body uses some of these fat reserves, thus releasing L.S.D. into the bloodstream.

It's worth noting that you'd probably have to take a shedload of acid for a pretty long time for this to take place. Occasional users probably won't suffer from flashbacks.

(At least, that's what the little orange pixies tell me.)
 
 
Cherry Bomb
18:54 / 19.07.01
I thought I had a flashback once. 'Course, I'd been up for over 24 hours and I think that was the real explanation.
 
 
Templar
19:38 / 19.07.01
I think I used to get flashbacks, but I'm not sure. I would be walking along, and it then suddenly appear to me as if a car next to me had just fallen out of the sky and landed there - no sensation of noise or anything like that, and I couldn't say that the care had or hadn't been there before.
Maybe that wasn't a flashback, but it was the best explanation I could come up with (this happened a couple of times).
 
 
grant
12:37 / 20.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Mordant Carnival:
L.S.D. is soluble in fat. If a person uses acid heavily over time, L.S.D. will be laid down as the body stores fat over time.


WRONG.

Here's the scoop:

quote:http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_myth1.shtml/ There is an often circulated myth that once you have taken LSD, it remains in your body forever. The main thing that keeps these rumors circulating the is fact that some people (though very few) experience "flashbacks" (generally within a few months after a hallucinogenic experience). It is generally accepted, however, that these flashbacks are not the result of lsd remaining in the system.

LSD is almost entirely metabolized within a day after ingestion. Since the half-life of LSD is only a few hours, only a very small amount of LSD remains even at the end of the trip, and this is excreted in the urine.
(excerpted)

From Psychedelics Encyclopedia :
LSD is a very curious chemical. When given by injection, it disappears rapidly from the blood. It can be observed when tagged with Carbon 14 in all the tissues, particularly the liver, spleen, kidneys, and adrenal glands. The concentration found in the brain is lower than in any other organ -- being only about 0.01 percent of the administered dose. [...]
LSD is highly active when administered orally, absorbed through mucous membranes or through the skin, and is almost completely absorbed by the gastrointestinal tract. Concentrations in the organs reach peak values after only ten to fifteen minutes; then they decrease very rapidly. [...] Some 80 percent of injested LSD is excreted via the liver, bile system and intestinal tract, with only about 8 percent appearing in uring. After two hours, only 1 to 10 percent is still present in the form of unchanged LSD; the rest consists of water soluble metabolites -- such as 2-oxo-2,3-dihydro-LSD -- which do not possess any LSD-type influence on the central nervous system.

Psychic effects of LSD reach their peak about one to three hours following ingestion, when much of the substance has disappeared from the body's major organs, including the brain, though measurable amounts persist in the blood and brain for about eight hours.


From the DEA Web Site :
LSD is absorbed easily from the gastrointestinal tract, and rapidly reaches a high concentration in the blood. It is circulated throughout the body and, subsequently, to the brain. LSD is metabolized in the liver and is excreted in the urine in about 24 hours.


From Pharmacotheon :
The drug is almost completely eliminated from the body before the peak effects begin, suggesting that it acts as a sort of catalyst, inducing neurochemical changes which subsequently result in the entheogenic experience. Only about 1-10% of injected LSD is excreted unaltered, the remainder as a variety of degradation products.


From Psychedelic Drugs Reconsidered :
The half-life of LSD in blood plasma is about two hours.

References :
Grinspoon, Lester and James B. Bakalar. Psychedelic Drugs Reconsidered. 1997. pg 14.
Hofmann, Albert. LSD My Problem Child. 1979. pg 27.
Ott, Jonathon. Pharmacotheon. 1993. pg 128.
Stafford, Peter. Psychedelics Encyclopedia. 1992. pg 69.


In summation:
  • water soluble.
  • leaves the system almost entirely *before* the user starts "peaking".
  • byproducts and metabolites gone in two days.


[ 20-07-2001: Message edited by: grant ]
 
 
Mordant Carnival
17:40 / 20.07.01
I stand corrected.
 
 
gentleman loser
19:59 / 20.07.01
I've done acid about twenty times or so, but I'm always very, very careful with the dosage. I've never taken more than two hits in a twenty four hour period and have never had a flashback. However, I have know people who gobbled down acid like it was PEZ candy and they have claimed to have flashbacks from time to time. From everything I've read, flashbacks seem to be related to the amount and potency of the drug that is ingested. I read a magazine article many years ago about a guy in the 60's who took a bunch of liquid LSD only once and the color of orange of the Dunkin' Doughnuts bag in his room had become so permanently burned into his brain that he saw it all the time.

Needless to say, if your going to experiment with psychedelics, take a little bit at a time and don't overdo it!
 
 
ynh
20:54 / 20.07.01
Grant, is that one of the articles listed in The Psychedelics Encyclopedia? My copy's all packed up for the move. A friend of mine mentioned it back in, oh, '93?
 
 
grant
02:08 / 21.07.01
That's all quoted off the erowid webspace, but yeah, they site that pgh as coming from the Psych. Encyc. (look! I made a rhyme!)
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
08:04 / 21.07.01
quote:Originally posted by grant:
(look! I made a rhyme!)
Ah, but is there a hand-movement to go with it?

I've never done acid - or much of anything else, frankly, boring-arse bastard that I am, and have always wondered why I feel a little.. well, left-out, or guilty that I haven't done them? Is it a societal thing? It's assumed, in some parts of society and to a certain extent on this board that people are familiar with particular drugs, or have had particular experiences. I'm just wondering if it's become the norm to have had these; an accepted part of the cultural language? And if so, should one feel bad for having missed it? That seems to be the implicit message...
 
 
ynh
17:56 / 21.07.01
Don't feel bad, sweetie. It's our diversity that guides us and makes us strong. We're
all part of the luvasphere and contribute in our own ways.
 
 
Blank Faced Avatar
05:56 / 24.07.01
Johnny's done his share and enough for you too, and thinks the whole flashback phenom. is very spurious - the person here who honestly says they couldn't tell between a flashback or 24hr sleeplesness is a good example. Having done acid gives you a framework to interpret wierd feelings that occur when you haven't done drugs today. When the oddness strikes you recognise it - " I feel like I do when I'm on acid " - a clean - livin' youngster just has to say, " I feel really wierd ". But who's to say that random selections of individuals don't experience similar feelings of momentary dislocation/ surreality/ powerful recall ( deja vu & I dreamt this ) experiences, but have different internal language to describe them?
 
 
Ria
15:17 / 24.07.01
this may have little bearing on the discussion but fun to relate... I remember once after more than twentyfour hours moving house seeing the red lettering on a blue magazine wiggle like jelly as I passed it looking at it askew. I thought to myself, sleep deprivation must make it look like that. I think I will look at it jiggle some more before the effect wears off.
 
 
Polly Trotsky
16:52 / 24.07.01
Emily Jenkins's Tongue First corroborates the sleep deprivation/hallucination thing. Military training often involves staying up until you hallucinate. (Yawn) It doesn't seem to be cost-effective though.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
20:00 / 24.07.01
I can corroborate this. I've had some wild hallucinations while suffering from insomnia. The best one went like this: while lying in bed, unable to sleep for the third night running, I looked over the edge of the bed for my clock, which was on the floor. The entire floor of my room was a wall to wall mass of silver foxes, dozens of them. They all stopped moving and looked up at me, and then began to resolve themselves in a tesselating pattern of stylized fox heads.

It might be useful to note that I was quite young at the time and had never taken any sort of hallucinogenic drug, and that whenever I tell people about this incident they look at me funny.
 
  
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