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Science on acid

 
 
Steve Block
15:50 / 21.06.01
I haven't properly devoured it yet, but I figure it HAS to be of interest, it's an article in New Scientist on research into what happens during an acid trip. Quite intriguing, I thought, from my skim read. I hope this is the right place to put it. I like the end bit most, about how we know so little about the brain...

the link to new scientist article on LSD trip effects
 
 
Rollo Kim, on location
18:20 / 21.06.01
Ello Blocky - that's some heavy reading there. But it doesn't explain why I saw people walking on a beach, and a man tending a field, when I took some [purely for research purposes you understand]. Damn.

It did make me want to try it again though.

Just once I want to hear the men in white coats say 'we have no idea what this is.' Just once.

[ 21-06-2001: Message edited by: Rollo Kim ]
 
 
ynh
19:34 / 21.06.01
quote:Originally posted by Rollo Kim:
But it doesn't explain why I saw people walking on a beach, and a man tending a field, when I took some [purely for research purposes you understand].


You were on the beach and looked to your left?

I'll be serious soon. I'm doing some checking.

[ 22-06-2001: Message edited by: [Your Name Here] ]
 
 
Steve Block
16:59 / 22.06.01
Well, I searched through New Scientist for hallucinations, and turned up a few articles of interest?

article on symbolism of snake in mythology, linking it with evolution

article on machine that can create...

As for the white coat men knowing everything, I guess that's why they take the job, I mean between us as a race I guess we pretty much could compile theories on everything...no? Although there is a scientist, Robert Morris, who has devoted himself to the paranormal who has the view that he doesn't understand it, and he doesn't even want to, he just wants to document it...I think he might have been behind those experiments at Edinburgh Castle recently, he's based up there, I know that. He and his department are most well known for their Ganzfeld experiment, run since the early 90's...
 
 
ynh
01:56 / 23.06.01
quote:Jack Cowan, a mathematician and neuroscientist at the University of Chicago, has built a neural network so powerful it can trip out.

More accurately he's designed a model that can replicate convection currents in an idealized situation: Benard Vortices. And he's done so with a connectionist neuronal model: basically a set of inputs, outputs, and rules for connectivity. He's only modeled a specific area of the neocortex and doesn't account for interaction among areas, emergent properties, and the model is propbably, unless he's running some fantastic array, fairly slow.

I fail to see how changing a few connectivity rules accounts for broad spectrum changes it several different types of nuerons and areas of the brain, including the brainstem, whose structures are very different from the ones in the neocortex.

But maybe he's onto something. I wouldn't mind having a vast roadmap of everything in there.

quote:From the Article

Cowan makes no apologies for being one of the White Smocks. He thinks that the "visual skyrockets" and that "certain indescribable feeling" are part and parcel of the same experience. As the drug penetrates to deeper and deeper areas of the brain--visual layers, cognitive layers, emotional layers and, finally, whatever part of the brain gives us our sense of self-awareness--our subjective experience becomes enormously more complicated and richer. And yet what's going on at the cellular level may not be so different at each layer.


The science has already come far enough that the white smocks can sort of cursorily collapse the self/other perception, or generate it. It's too bad Cowan and someone like Pettigrew won't hook up for a little spiritual research.

quote:Klüver classified these patterns into four types or "form-constants": tunnels, spirals, cobwebs and honeycombs.


The replication of Kluver's patterns is also a bit simplistic given Kluver, under the influence of mescaline himself, and "keeping a commendably straight head, ...eventually saw patterns in the patterns," described by several interviewees, although such weren't immediately visible from the interviews alone.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
18:31 / 23.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Rollo Kim:
Just once I want to hear the men in white coats say 'we have no idea what this is.' Just once.


Keep reading New Scientist. At least one lot of "men in white coats" say it every week. Half the articles boil down to "well, we've no idea what this is... but hey, it looks pretty damn interesting so we thought we'd tell you anyway." Come to think of it, the article in question was very "we don't really know much about this, but here's some interesting theories and cool illustrations to keep you happy while we try to suss it out" flavoured to my way of thinking.

Been reading the ol' N.S. since I were a nipper of ten. Maybe that's why I fall about laughing whenever I see someone refer to "men in white coats", like it's some sort of X-filesesque cabal. Or "so-called experts." Or (heaven help us) "boffins."
Why the knee-jerk anti-science vibe?

*climbs down off of soapbox*

Anyhow, interesting stuff going on in that article. Fodder for certain vauge theories I've been tossing around about the structure of the human brain and the nature of the Divine...
 
  
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