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Is there such a thing as "useless information"?

 
 
All Acting Regiment
21:35 / 06.04.06
Why do we have this idea of "useless information"? Surely all informaiton is useful? Have people always beleived in useless information?
 
 
Loomis
08:54 / 07.04.06
So you did take that acid after all then Legba?
 
 
Mistoffelees
09:10 / 07.04.06
Look at it, Legba, look at it closely, hidden useless information can be found.

 
 
sleazenation
09:11 / 07.04.06
Depends on how many quiz nights you do...

And 'use value'. How useful is it for you to know that the only British Prime Minister to be assassinated was Spencer Percival? Will that knowledge help you change a tyre on your car? Impress the ladies? Pass a job interview? The are certain circumstances, particularly in the last two scenarios, as well as in a pub quiz where that piece of information might be useful, but it is a highly specific instance that is quite removed from your everyday requirements.
 
 
Jub
09:14 / 07.04.06
Signatures on barbelith are useless information since the readers know who it is who’s posting from their username on the left.

Cheers
--NJ

Oh – the hilarity.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:16 / 07.04.06
The role of Willow in the pilot episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer was taken by Riff Regan.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:00 / 07.04.06
Riff Regan was the drummer in the band Gay Dad.
 
 
Sax
10:01 / 07.04.06
I think all information must be at least mildly useful to someone, even if only for a very short time or a very trivial purpose.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:18 / 07.04.06
I don't value Riff Regan's opinion on rap music, or even skiffle.
 
 
petunia
13:36 / 07.04.06
Surely like, um.. Information is useful by definition.. Like what defines a certain mark on a wall as 'information' as opposed to 'a mark' is the fact that we can find a meaning, or a use for it...

'meaning is use' and all that..

Maybe we could call something 'useless information' if it has been defined as information in a somewhat objective manner... like if it's in language, we usually call it info... and if we know that others call it information (have use for a certain mark/fact etc..) then we know it as information (we interpret it as having a meaning and use), but it has not relevence to us..

Like: i have no use for information that shows me how to conjugate verbs in korean at the moment, so this is useless information for me. But if i start to learn Korean... well... you can see where this is going...

So. There is certainly information that is useless to certain people, and information that is useless to a large amount of people (very few need to know that aunt Vera likes bonbons...) but there is no information that is totally useless on an objective scale; if it is totally useless it ceases to be information.

But then there's all that stuff that isn't information, but could be - just it hasn't been given meaning/use yet - like 'potential information' ("all the world in one grain of sand" etc.) If we chose to define potential information as a kind of information as well, then the scope of useless information available to us is infinite.

But it stops being useless as soon as it becomes information... And when it stops being useless it stops being info... and when it stops being info it becomes potential info... and when potential info...

and so on. Infinitely.

And Infinity is a VERY VERY VERY big number.

My head is dizzy.
 
 
Loomis
13:40 / 07.04.06
And Infinity is a VERY VERY VERY big number.

My head is dizzy.


Why do I feel like this entire thread has been fumigated with pot smoke?

What if ... C-A-T spelled “dog”?

*collapses into giggles*

Anyone want some cheese on toast?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:49 / 07.04.06
BEANS
 
 
Daemon est Deus Inversus
01:21 / 09.04.06
1. Ronald Reagan's favorite side-dish was macaroni and cheese.
2. The Lieutenant-Governor of Florida must be at least 30 years old; and is not a member of the State cabinet.
3. They found a copy of "Les liasons dangereuses," the cover page torn out, in Marie Antoinette's private library.
4. The Portuguese Army honored the memory of St. Anthony of Padua by conferring upon him the rank of Honorary Lieutemant-Colonel.
5. There is a Buddhist sect in Vietnam, Cao Dai, with about 2,000 temples and several million members, which worships Victor Hugo and his two sons as avatars whom they believe reincarnate periodically to guide mankind.
6. Where you to climb the staircase in the Wachovia Bank Building in Downtown Miami, you would climb 1,211 steps.
7. The minimum age for a Roman Consul in the late Republic, formalized under the constitution of Sulla, was 43; for a Praetor 39.
8. Increase Mather wrote a book which convinced the Mass. S. Ct. to accept "spectral evidence" at the witch trials.
9. Calvin Coolidge wrote his will in a grand total of 23 words.
10. David Letterman is a graduate of Ball State University.
11. Louis XVI's favorite way to relax, outside of gluttony, was clock-making.
 
 
Daemon est Deus Inversus
01:35 / 09.04.06
Oh, and I forgot my favorite piece of useless information:

12. Under Roman Canon Law, degrees of consanguinity are counted by measuring generations elapsed from a common ancestor; and are denoted by Roman numerals. Thus, a second cousin, 6th degree of consanguinity in the Anglo-American system, would be IV degree of consanguinity in the Roman system.
 
 
Saint Keggers
01:48 / 09.04.06
I've just made french fries.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
02:18 / 09.04.06
But isn't all that stuff really interesting, Daemonus?
 
 
Daemon est Deus Inversus
04:18 / 09.04.06
I suppose some of it is fairly interesting; some just silly; though a lot of it does make interesting comments on human nature.
 
 
astrojax69
23:40 / 09.04.06
what's worse is useless misinformation, like duck's quacks not echoing and shit like that. i hate those.
 
 
Daemon est Deus Inversus
00:28 / 10.04.06
No, useless misinformation is, by definition, useful in that it confuses people; which is why you spread it in the first place. A. tells B. that ducks' quacks don't echo. B., relying on this misinformation, robs a farmhouse then attempts to escape through a marsh filled with ducks. C. tells his a woman he knows, D., that she can't get pregnant if she wears a .975 silver St. Ursula medal blessed by a talking goat. He then gives her such a medal....
 
 
Baz Auckland
01:06 / 10.04.06
Okay... I have to admit I didn't believe that bit about the Vietnamese Buddhists and Victor Hugo, and had to look it up...

Wow! That's So Cool! Some also have recieved spiritual messages and healing from Rutherford B. Hayes!
 
 
All Acting Regiment
01:30 / 10.04.06
It feels better than those "cargo cults" in the South Pacific, at any rate: groups who's first contact with the "modern world" was through American or Japanese soldiers in the second world war, and who now have entire religions based around the idea of these soldiers coming back with more food/medecines- except the soldiers never do come back.
 
 
petunia
03:00 / 10.04.06
From the wikipedia entry on cargo cults:
The most famous examples of Cargo Cult behavior are the airstrips, airports, and radios made out of coconuts and straw.

I Just have an image in my head of a functional airport on an idyllic island in the pacific. But in a shade of hairy brown. Straw planes and everything....
 
 
PatrickMM
03:34 / 10.04.06
Cargo Culte was the last track on Serge Gainsbourg's "The History of Melody Nelson" album.
 
 
Daemon est Deus Inversus
08:04 / 10.04.06
These Cao Dai certainly are an eclectic sect: numering Rutheford Birchard Hayes, Victor Hugo along with his two sons, and Dr. Sun Yat-sen among their avatars. I wonder why Dr. Sun's brother-in-law, Generalissimo Chang Kai-chek didn't make the cut.
 
 
Daemon est Deus Inversus
05:33 / 11.04.06
More useless information:
1. Edward II was put to death on the orders of his wife, Isabella Capet, who ordered a red-hot poker inserted up his back passage. He'd allegedly had an affair with his adviser, Hugh Despenser.
2. Pope Clement V, more well-known for offing the Templars, assasinated the Holy Roman Emperor Henry VI by feeding hin a poisoned host.
3. The only two Queens executed by Henry VIII, Anne Bolleyn and Catherine Howard, were first cousins. They were both convicted of adultery.
4. It costs approximately $57 a day- on a fully allocated basis to maintain- an inmate on Florida'a Death Row. Last meal expenditures are limited to $20; and are limited to local goods. Immates on Death Row are provided with black and white television; and are not provided with air.
conditioning.
5. Inmates in Argentina, upon reaching age 70, must- by their Constitution- be released to house arrest.
6. It took the Executioner nine (9) blows of the ax to execute Charles II's son, the Duke of Monmouth.
7. The French crown paid 26 livres a day (about 2 l. 6 s. or $11) to maintain 'prisoners of rank" (such as Sade) in the Bastille before the Revolution. As to other prisoners, the rates were: a Royal, 50 livres; a Marshal of France, 32 livres; a judge, 15 livres; a lawyer, 10 livres; and a villain, 3 livres.
8. When England finally adopted the Gregorian calendar in the 18th-century, people rioted in the streets of London because thet felt that they had been "robbed" of two weeks of their lives.
9. George Washington's plantation at Mount Vernon produced 11,000 gallons of rum a year.
10. Grover Cleveland, only the second bachleor to be elected U.S. president married while in office his 23 year-old former ward, Fanny Cleveland (he was her trustee; and had been her father's executor).
11. It costs $2.76 a day to feed a Florida inmate.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:19 / 11.04.06
More useless contributions from DEDI.
 
 
Daemon est Deus Inversus
11:19 / 11.04.06
You know, Haus, you seem to be fixated on cross-posting this. At least, this is the second or third time that you've done so. Now, not that I care, but it would seem to indicate a mild obsession on your part.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:42 / 11.04.06
My dear fellow, can you really not separate out your ordinals beyond "first"? Is this not a terrible handicap in your career as lawyer and praemonstrator?
 
 
Ariadne
11:57 / 11.04.06
Macaroni cheese is a side dish?
What do you have it with? Other than chips, obviously.
 
 
Daemon est Deus Inversus
12:57 / 11.04.06
I'd suggest meat loaf.
 
 
Ariadne
13:04 / 11.04.06
Meatloaf and macaroni cheese. What a funny country America is.

I want macaroni cheese now, though. With chips. And salad.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:17 / 11.04.06
Yeah, me too. Only maybe baked beans instead of chips.
 
 
Daemon est Deus Inversus
21:11 / 11.04.06
Ariadne,

Perhaps America is a funny country; it is decidedly a very corporeal one. Meatloaf accompanied with both macaroni and chese and mashed potatos is very common.
 
 
Ariadne
21:15 / 11.04.06
Wow, carbo-rama. I think it's just a perception thing - here in the UK, or at least in my bit of it, macaroni cheese is a dish in and of itself. It seems like having lasagne as a side dish, or steak pie on the side.
 
  
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