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gozer the destructor

11:23 / 26.03.02

Firstly i would like to find a patron god figure to help with my music, any suggestions? and any suggestions for making offerings?

Also, I'Ching question- do line interpretations only apply when there are moving lines in the hexagram?

Also, what other ways are there to charge Sigils? apart from beating off or sex?

Also, i read last night that offerings to Vishnu are a good idea when starting a new project (im applying for a degree course at the moment) would this be applicable for me as im not a hindu?

Ive started reading 'a depth of begining' to brush up my kabala knowledge, im a little fazed by the godhead idea-im a materialist at heart and have always thought that the idea of gods was a focus on an aspect of personality-any body got some enlightenment that could help me get my head around it?

also, anyone with similiar interests at a similiar level who wanna meet for a chat?

cheers

[ 26-03-2002: Message edited by: gozer the destructor ]

18:31 / 26.03.02

music: first thought, orpheus. in greece i think certain gods were associated with certain styles or instruments - pan = pipes, apollo = lyre.
so do you do music for wildness or for exultant contemplation?

in yoruba (voudou, santeria), each orisha has a different drum pattern, even.

18:32 / 26.03.02

on the i ching, i have heard lines really only matter when they change, but i do not know if that makes sense. the i ching is a little hazy to me still.

18:33 / 26.03.02

on sigils, charge in whatever way turns the conscious censor off and lets the robot/subconscious take over for a second or two.

on godhead, you are saying your personality does not exist in the universe?

on offerings, it is Ganesh, not Vishnu, who blesses new beginnings.

23:53 / 26.03.02

Music: Calliope, as the muse of music would be a good patron goddess as well

I Ching: Lines matter when they change as they symbolise all the opposing forces that struggle to affect the outcome. If u get no line changes, the overall oracle is pretty much all u need(i think).

Hope this helps.

gozer the destructor

08:02 / 27.03.02

Yeah, that's all helpful-and yeah it is Ganesh, apoligies, I checked it last night when I got in...

but, Grant, i'm not sure what you mean about my personality not existing-could you elaborate please?

13:46 / 27.03.02

Ive started reading 'a depth of begining' to brush up my kabala knowledge, im a little fazed by the godhead idea-im a materialist at heart and have always thought that the idea of gods was a focus on an aspect of personality-any body got some enlightenment that could help me get my head around it?

If gods are aspects of a personality, it might be helpful to think of the Godhead as that-which-perceives-and-creates-the-cosmos.
I mean, your personality exists as part of the universe, right? It's constantly sensing it, reacting to it, and making sense of it. That's part of the personality: that which creates & orders your view of the universe. That which perceives intelligent design.

Or maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree here. Maybe it'd help if you define what you mean by "godhead," and what you find problematic about it.

gozer the destructor

13:55 / 27.03.02

I THINK I GET WHAT YOU MEAN, AS IN THE BERKLEY/DREAMTIME SENSE OF REALITY, I CREATE MY REALITY ERGO I AM GOD (LIKE THE HINDU THING ABOUT BEING A SPARK OF THE FIRE COMES TO MIND AS WELL) AM I HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION BECAUSE IF I AM THAT MAKES THINGS A LOT EASIER FOR ME TO DEAL WITH-I WAS DUBIOUS OF THE IDEA OF A SEPERATE BEING AS GODHEAD RATHER THAN A COLLECTIVE ENTITY THAT EXPERIENCES THROUGH ME, DO YOU GET ME?

16:43 / 27.03.02

I get you. Here's something to chew on:

You seem to understand how perceptions of gods are aspects of elements of human psyche, named and given life in myth as a means to understand the mysteries within. As the conscious element, you can access these aspects, alter your self and thus your reality.

Now add the hermetic axiom: As above, so below.

The self is a microcosm of the larger reality it resides within. The patterns within you exist without and around you as well. Within, gods are an aspect of the self. Without, you are an aspect of a larger macrocosmic self that is the world you live in: Your subculture, the company you work for, the band you play music with.

If you step back far enough, the actions of individuals fade into tribes, cultures, religions, nations, continents, natural forces. War is just bad weather. Collectively, its all a part of one system, one consciousness comprised of many smaller elements, each of which is also compromised of smaller elements etc. The pattern within extends up as well as down.

Godhead is to this reality-consciousness as your ego is to the collection of ideas and aspects that make up your psyche.

Have fun with that

gozer the destructor

08:16 / 28.03.02

I see where your coming from, like that bill hicks thing of we are all one conciousness experiencing itself subjectively. Am i right in thinking that kabalistic viewpoint of time is one of the bubble where everything that can/has happened exists at one point? And if so does freewill exist? If all these points exist as one then surely there can be no decisions made-I find this concept unhealthy-perhaps im looking through the wrong lenses but i like to believe that my destiny is my choice-or do we all live in our own universe? aaargghh!!! trying to work it out as i go along...sorry...we are all god and we are all one and yet our experience is subjective-what is self then? does self exist? or can it only exist through the whole like a parasite that dies...this is coming out all garbled, need more time to think about this, damn my noisy house...

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

17:10 / 28.03.02

I'll try to make it a little easier for you: Don't bother worrying about whether or not Free Will exists. The conclusion of this particular argument really isn't as important as most would have you believe.