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Cosmic railway & 2012

  
 
E. Coli from the Milky Way
19:39 / 01.04.06
Just i've readed in New Scientist magazine this article linkfrom oma mathematician Ian Stewart. (sorry, seems to be only avaliable for suscrpitors)

Summarizing it, it is said that there's some kind of web of gravitatonial wormholes connecting all planets in solar system that *maybe* can be used to travel between them.

In the mushrooms speaks of mckenna, the mushroom says to him that there's some kind of mycelial web too in cosmos. One of the most appasionant debates, in my point of viwe, that throwns mckenna is the one that talks about information coming from other worlds.

Well, i can't find the thread now, but it is said that in 2012 the sun is gonna change is electromagnetical field or something like that.

Can consciousness from other worlds travel through this gravitational wormholes ??

Maybe this change on sun is an opening of this interplanetary channels to earth, so we can syntonize better to the information coming from other worlds ??

Weirdo, don't youi think ?
 
 
cusm
19:01 / 03.04.06
I'd killed a previous thread on the topic with this link, which is even more interesting given the wormhole theory above. Basicly, the solar eliptic will align with the galactic eliptic, so if you point your finger at the sun at dawn of the winter solstice 2012, you'll also be pointing your finger at the center of the galaxy. If anything could cause interesting gravitational effects, that'd be it. I think that may have been what you were looking for.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
22:15 / 04.04.06
it's *the* perfect day to synchronize your solar calendars, what with all the adding and subtracting and shifting and squeezing days, it's a good time to start counting from 0.0.0.0.0.0

--not jack
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
22:20 / 04.04.06
hey cusm,

i had sent an inquiry to the NRC, (Canada's science department the National Research Council). The reply is as follows:


"Our galactic centre (Sagittarius A*) does not lie on the ecliptic, nor will it, and so cannot be "aligned" with the sun. In this regard, there is nothing very special about 2012 and its winter solstice.

the rest of it was rather condescending.

--not jack
 
 
Woodsurfer
23:41 / 04.04.06
In some (very) brief searching around, I have encountered many instances of the quote: "It will be the start of a new era resulting from and signified by the solar meridian crossing the galactic equator, and the earth aligning itself with the center of the galaxy." attributed to historian and anthropologist Carlos Barrios. Mr. Barrios, for all his erudition, is not much of an astronomer or solograher: a "meridian" is an arbitrary circumferance at right angles to the equator. I expect it'd be something like the Mean at Greenwich only there is no Greenwhich on the sun . . . He is also quoted as saying, "At sunrise on December 21, 2012 for the first time in 26,000 years the Sun rises to conjunct the intersection of the Milky Way and the plane of the ecliptic". This is fine except that the sun rises everywhere and in a different place in the zodiac for each place on Earth. Without specifying a place, this is saying exactly nothing. Of course, I'm only a fledgling astrologer so there might be something I've missed. Given greater motivation, I'd look up the exact location of the Mayan cultural epicenter and run a horoscope for it to see if the Ascendant is, in fact, in the correct spot in Sagittarius on 12-21-2012 at 23:41 GMT.

This is not to say I completely dismiss the power of 12-2-2002. We are moving from one major age into another (Piscean into Aquarian) and, while the shift will take a couple of hundred years, people have been hanging a lot on the Big Date as a concrete marker for the beginning of the Aquarian Age. What counts, then, is the amount of thought and energy we humans blow up into the astral by our hopes and fears concerning the date, where it creates dandy thought forms for us to key into at the proper moment. It's similar to the hoo-ha for 1-1-2000 -- lots of sound and fury generating its own kind of significance.
 
 
E. Coli from the Milky Way
10:31 / 05.04.06
This is a SF post:

In the quotated article of newscientist, the methapor used to describe that web of wormholes is mechanical, they're viewed like railways. But try to imagine it physiologicallye: like arteries of cosmos, in wich consciousness can travel. Maybe that aligment can be viewed as a cosmic big synapse ??

Is our non-artificial extension of our psyche (the outward manifestation of our nervous system, the internet and the mass media), the way we will have to receive tis synapsis (rather than an ufo or something like that?)

Yeah, only doing poetry, i know.

But it would be funny, don't you think???
 
 
Quantum
10:44 / 05.04.06
that web of wormholes

What web of wormholes? The beginning of that article isn't too informative-
"once you can build wormholes to order, it's entirely logical to use trains."
We can't build wormholes, but if we could it would be entirely logical to use giant GM hamsters. Or horse-sized fennecs. Or Ninja.

Seems to me to be NS using recent sci-fi as jumping off point for a shoddy article. The recent Iain M Banks book had a similar concept too, far better executed than Hamilton. IMO.
 
 
E. Coli from the Milky Way
12:32 / 05.04.06
Yes, it's true : the beggining isn't very informative. But the whole article (i readed it on a library) it's very interesting. Sure.
 
 
Henningjohnathan
20:29 / 07.04.06
This is probably only tangentially related theory, but this is interesting:
The Universe trapped in its own web
Astronomers from the University of Nottingham, UK, and the Instituto de Astrofisica de Canarias (Spain), have found the first observational evidence that galaxies are not randomly oriented.

Instead, they are aligned following a characteristic pattern dictated by the large-scale structure of the invisible dark matter that surrounds them.

This discovery confirms one of the fundamental aspects of galaxy formation theory and implies a direct link between the global properties of the Universe and the individual properties of galaxies.

Galaxy formation theories predicted such an effect, but its empirical verification has remained elusive until now. The results of this work were published the 1 April issue of Astrophysical Journal Letters.

Nowadays, matter is not distributed uniformly throughout space but is instead arranged in an intricate “cosmic web” of filaments and walls surrounding bubble-like voids. Regions with high galaxy concentrations are known as galaxy clusters whereas low density regions are termed voids.

In this sense there is an "apparent" similarity between the structure of the universe and a "web" or perhaps a "neural net." Of course, it wouldn't be "neural" unless there was some sort of interchange between the star systems that would approximate the function of neurotransmitters (of course you could argue that "gravity" may qualify but I don't see exactly how). However, if there is a wormhole transit system interconnecting these stars then you could imagine that the universe is functioning like an interglactic city... OR like a material-energetic Internet (in a Warpsmithish sorta way).

You could also throw in a sort of religio-transhumanist concept along the lines of the Anthropic Principle as expanded upon by Tipler. The basic idea is that if intelligent life exists anywhere in the universe then eventually the entire universe will become intelligent... Okay that's a supersimplification, but the idea is that for intelligent life to exist, the universe must be predisposed to the development of it. All intelligent life will possess many of the same characteristics and eventually it will fill the entire universe and control all matter and space.
Sounds like a BIG FREAKIN' LEAP, doesn't it? BUT basically, if it is true, then we probably aren't the only intelligent life in the universe AND we probably aren't the most advanced life BY A LONG SHOT. Ergo - we should be seeing evidence of other lifeforms manipulating the structure of the universe on the astronomical scale that we theorize is possible - Dyson spheres, Ringworlds and WORMHOLE TRANSIT SYSTEMS, for example.

So, to conclude, if this hasn't already been confusing blather to this point, if there is a sort of ascension, it could be that the entire development of the human race, including the recent creation of a material information network (the Internet) could be part of a conditioning system preparing us for the introduction to a cosmic technology that has already been put into place by an elder race seeking to expand the reach of intelligent life in the universe.
 
 
Henningjohnathan
20:35 / 07.04.06
One more thing, if there was a wormhole transit system what would a map of it look like?

Our "view: of the Universe is based on what we can see or detect so it's limited to the speed of light. Would an instantaneous wormhole take us to the star as it is in our relative "now"? Would there be a "present" position to the stars that looked completely different that the universe we know?
 
 
PlanetNiles
10:01 / 08.04.06
One more thing, if there was a wormhole transit system what would a map of it look like?

I might hazard that it would look something like this or more probably like this. It certainly need not represent the actual distances or orientation of the points its mapping (like the underground map). Depending upon number of points and their interconnectivity you could make them look like anything you want (just think join-the-dots pictures...)
 
 
E. Coli from the Milky Way
10:55 / 08.04.06
There's an interesting theory linking cosmic-rthzeligious icons to an animated universe idea on http://starlarvae.org/. Yeah, very freakin'

But in another view, you've all of those stories talking about "cosmic-astral" explorers, ant psychedelic experiencies on what there are identifications with stars, and all these things ...

I mean something strange is going on ...
 
 
Quantum
12:43 / 08.04.06
That dark matter evidence was released on April Fool's Day you say? Hmm... not that I need proof that the universe is self-similar on different scales, but I remain unconvinced of the cosmic railway.

Henningjohnathan- the map of wormholes might look like this, and if the universe is a giant consciousness-supporting system then it's thoughts might be propogated very slowly from our p.o.v., by light perhaps, and our biosphere might be one small part of a synapse-firing like event, in which case human evolution and all of us are a thought in the mind of God. In a sense.
Great post by the way.
 
 
Henningjohnathan
15:38 / 12.04.06
That's an interesting point - the "transit map" could be put together from a completely "rational" point of view such as a subway map, or perhaps there could be some sort of "mystical" coordination to it. Perhaps what we consider to be mystical thought is simply the only way to process advanced concepts (fuzzy logic, emergent programming) necessary to deal with a variety of variable multidimensional factors (especially considering quantum mechanics). In that sense, "mystical" thought would be the only "rational" way to organize a transhuman culture.

Also, as far as interaction with this phenomenon, should it exist, may explain why to some it is a benign experience (a contact with "angels") and others a malevolent one ("demons", "grays", "Reptillians"). If you approach the ultradimensional or paranormal technology as a kind of test then it will give feedback based upon your responses. If you feel it is something negative, then it will become repulsive. Whereas, a positive approach leads to greater revelation.

Of course, as Jacques Vallee points out, if these paranormal phenomenon (UFO's, ghosts, visitations by angels, demonic possession) are all part of some control system for the human species, then it could be either a school, from which we may "graduate", or a prison, in which case either benevolent revelation or malevolent terrorizing serves the same function to keep us engaged by the control.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
16:25 / 12.04.06
I was going to write a short story about a world that goes about its normal business is storing and replaying data saved on my iPod.

If there is a kind of information network linking the entire universe, it would stand to reason that when we reach a specific level of technological advancement then we would discover it and link up.

Was it McKenna who suggested that with the history of technological advancement that, byt 2012, we would be inventing new technologies every nano second?

If every living world will eventually hit this singularity (i think McKenna used that word, been reading a lot of books at the same time lately) then at some point the (possibly) neural network would acheive enough complexity to be self aware.

Could the universe be a vast intelligence currently growing in the womb, and when enough of the neural network is formed it will be born, only to grow in ever more complex ways after that point? The nice thing about this theory is that, unlike in, say, The Invisible, it doesn't make humanity in the least bit an important part of the birth of a new universal being, just another minute part.

Which is, on scale, really all we are.
 
 
Quantum
17:07 / 12.04.06
Perhaps what we consider to be mystical thought is simply the only way to process advanced concepts necessary to deal with a variety of variable multidimensional factors. In that sense, "mystical" thought would be the only "rational" way to organize a transhuman culture.

It's like you read my mind, except I say 'best way' instead of 'only'. Take for example your point about malign/benign entities responding to your expectations, that implies that reality is fundamentally a psychreoactive substance without form, or as the Norse say Ginnungagap, the primordial magically-charged void. Old school, nu skool, only the names have been changed.
 
 
Henningjohnathan
22:08 / 12.04.06
Very good points. It is interesting to me that the farther "out" we look into the universe, the farther back to the past we go so that we really have no idea what the distant universe looks like in the relative "now."

I suppose if we could create some sort of gravitometer (gravity telescope?) we could eventually determine the present location of every large mass in the universe.

However, this sort of cerebral cosmic net could exist but we just can't see it yet.

As far as the psychoreactive paranormal technology of the cosmos, it would have the same sort of mind-changing effects as any medium/technology. Interaction with it would change the consciousness of the participant - in this case that would not only be the individual but also the collective culture. Vallee as well as Keel and Streiber suggest that the absurdity of abductee and contactee accounts indicates a focus on nonlinear, "out of the box" thinking.
 
 
Quantum
10:33 / 13.04.06
Abduction experiences before the 20th century were faeries and elves, now they're greys- tall, thin, big eyes, advanced tech/magic, etc. etc. only the names have changed.

We could discover what the universe looks like now if we can develop entanglement telescopy. It's more of a Lab topic, but in a nutshell current QM theoretically allows us to model/map the rest of the universe from here, gleaning information from subatomic particles entangled with others far far away.
..particles, separated by incredible distances, interact with each other immediately in a communication that is not limited to the speed of light. This has been demonstrated through repeated experiments...At the moment of the Big Bang, all particle/waves interacted with each other.
...and are thus in theory still entangled, leading to holographic universe theory (e.g. Talbot) which makes FTL telescopy even easier. If information about the whole is contained in each part, we just need to access it.

Which leads me back to the cosmic railway. We don't need a network of wormholes for the galaxy to be interconnected, it already is. We don't need tame black holes to travel from star to star, we need to discover different physics.
 
 
E. Coli from the Milky Way
10:50 / 13.04.06
**QUANTUM --> I don't see it as separated things. Cosmic railway is a mathematical model of physics of the universe, and it has to be with paths inside gravitational landscapes. Let's make an analogy. Let's see Universe is a mountain. And, through the mountain, there are paths that lead you to different places on the mountain (the wormholes). In fact, in the article it is said that NASA used those wormholes to send satellytes to the moon (i don't remember well where)

**About folklore and abductions--> Have you seen this ? UFO Report Japan Online Hypothesis Seems interesting.
 
 
Quantum
10:59 / 13.04.06
In fact, in the article it is said that NASA used those wormholes to send satellytes to the moon

Then the article is rubbish, or by 'wormholes' they mean 'lowest potential energy trajectories' AKA 'optimum efficiency paths' or 'firing solution' or 'slingshot paths' or something. Not wormholes.
 
 
Quantum
11:01 / 13.04.06
Thanks for the cool abduction link!
 
 
E. Coli from the Milky Way
11:14 / 13.04.06
Well, in fact i think the one who is saying rubbish is me. In the article, 'wormholes' are referred as 'tubes', having the charactreitstics you've mentioned :-)
 
 
Henningjohnathan
16:08 / 13.04.06
**About folklore and abductions--> Have you seen this ? UFO Report Japan Online Hypothesis Seems interesting.
True and interesting, but I believe it is a little more complex. I don't believe that the "little men" of ancient myth are necessarily exactly the same as the "little men" from space. More to the point, it's not that I don't believe they are the same, but that I don't assume that what contactees and abductees are interacting with is actually the physical form of an alien or "other" species. In the ancient past, these beings have also appeared as very tall and very white (Isis, Osiris, Quetzequatal) but otherwise completely human. Vallee makes the point about the sightings of the Fatima that originally it started as simply mysterious lights, then people started saying it was an angel. After that, it started looking like an angel and telling people who interacted with it that it was an angel.

I suspect that whatever the phenomenon may be, it is essentially without a material form as we know it - more of what Keel writes that the Catholic church called Transmogrifications (shape changers) when pursuing spiritual and demonological investigations into these sightings centuries ago. However, the "little gray man" as well as "tall white man" and reptillian visualizations of the creatures, in my theory at least, harken to various evolutionary steps inherent to the development of the human mind/brain. Personally, from examinations of my own dream states, i am certain that the brain retains a sort of genetic memory or conceptualization of thought processes that date back millions of years down to the level of the interaction molecular life that led to multicellular development- and I think that this phenomenon is addressing that complex system deep and at the foundations of our subconscious - and possibly at the foundations of our cultural superconsciousness rather than the conscious waking layers of our selective daily experience.

It could be something external (aliens), it could be something internal to the race (what Strieber says evolution may look like a conscious species) or it could be a combination of both - perhaps an ultradimensional, spiritual technology left behind by a greater race to help us develop toward some incomprehensible goal (ala 2001's monolith).
 
 
Quantum
16:35 / 13.04.06
I don't assume that what contactees and abductees are interacting with is actually the physical form of an alien or "other" species.

Well, precisely my point- the experiences have some commonality but they are framed by the perceiver (like religious experience under the Persinger helmet) in terms dependant on their expectations and culture, more subjective than most physical things in the world (e.g. a snooker table).

They may be aliens or whatever but I think it's much more likely our current understanding of the nature of reality is relatively naive and limited. Call 'em spirits, why not?
 
 
Henningjohnathan
17:18 / 13.04.06
At the same time, I look at the disarray our current civilizations are in and I have to think that there is just no way we're gonna meet a 2012 deadline for ascension of any kind.
 
 
Quantum
18:14 / 13.04.06
There is no 2012 deadline. The idea that information will double constantly toward an omega-point is absurd, a fallacy logically equivalent to Zeno's paradox of motion, Achilles and the Tortoise. Space is not infinitely divisible and In Real Life statistical curves break down at the ends. Think about it, it makes no sense.
Mayan-wise, I don't think the common interpretation of the Mayan prophecies is accurate, just Cotterill and that other dude endlessly reiterated. The Mayans didn't think the world would end in 2012.

Having said that, the world *could* end (or at least the human race), but that could happen anytime, especially if we don't do anything to save it.
 
 
E. Coli from the Milky Way
12:51 / 14.04.06
The thing i'm trying is to get a physiollogical idea from aliens. I like one thing Pinchbeck said on an interview, that to him, "grays" are some kind of bacteriological entities operating on the consciousness level.

Vallee as well as Keel and Streiber suggest that the absurdity of abductee and contactee accounts indicates a focus on nonlinear, "out of the box" thinking.
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Perhaps what we consider to be mystical thought is simply the only way to process advanced concepts (fuzzy logic, emergent programming) necessary to deal with a variety of variable multidimensional factors (especially considering quantum mechanics)

Let's assume there is some kind of contact with another entities from, let's say, another world. Let's get into our bodies. When in our bodies there's an invasion from external organisms, it exists on them a surface that stimulates the production of antibodies on our bodies (the antigen)

Then, there is a kind of symbiothical proccess in whicj body tries to kill the toxic parts from the external organism that can cause harm to it.

So well, in fact, all this debate about if the entities are internal or external maybe is mistake given by language limitations. Maybe there are both things.

Maybe our minds are trying to become familiar with this invasion to get balanced with the other organisms, so perceive it like part of our mind. In fact, in another level, both two (us and them) are part of the same organism (say the cosmos, the universe, or the big mind).

Hey! It's funny to think about mystic as cosmic-lymphocites !!

So to put tecnhological knowledge at service of this proccesses, i think is mission of shamans (and i'm refering to real, amazonian shamans, not us)
 
 
Henningjohnathan
15:40 / 17.04.06
Yeah, the odd thing here is that if you look at all the elements of the abduction cases, it's obvious that these things aren't in solid spaceships that drop out of the sky and then fly back into the sky. In the vast majority, the UFO's appear out of nowhere and then disappear as mysteriously. As Vallee pointed out, entities that can manipulate time and space in this way wouldn't have to come from another world - or they could just as likely come from a coffee cup as from another world because they certainly don't obey physical laws that we can fathom.

Oddly, in his book FABRIC OF THE COSMOS, Brian Greene makes the point that if that theory is correct then the majority of the universe is imperceptible to us. If we were dealing with a race that had a "higher" ability to perceive and act in that larger realm, this may be waht we are perceiving as UFO's/ Aliens/ Faerie. Also, it should be considered that we may be having an existence in that larger 'verse, but simply do not perceive it as anything we can comprehend as of yet.
 
 
E. Coli from the Milky Way
16:12 / 17.04.06
Maybe Virtual Reality Realms will be the connexion between worlds ? I started especulating it after reading that some yoguis can affect the behavior of matter at subtle levels (all that stuff of the random number generators, the Noosphere and all of this)

I tried to open a thread asking on the topic. :-) Do u know someone who's trying to connect (even theorethically) VR & spirituality?
 
 
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16:38 / 17.04.06
Have you checked out the link I gave you in that thread? There's definitely some articles related to that type of thing there. I had a quick look and found this, and there's a good few more if you check the archives : http://www.futurehi.net/archives/000041.html
 
 
E. Coli from the Milky Way
17:24 / 17.04.06
oh, thanks alchymia ... it's that there's too much information (and i'm not an english native); thanks for pointing more accurately :-)
 
 
E. Coli from the Milky Way
17:39 / 17.04.06
alchymia/newyang: the article you point goes by the first option i mentioned on the previous thread, the creation of an endogenous matrix of experiences;

but i'm more interested on the second option: the use of that VRmatrix not as an end itself, but as a way to communicate with, well, perhaps the DMT entities, as a kind of enhaced shamanic/spiritual realm.

that's why i'm asking well, i don't know. Is someone trying to get neurological behavior on shamans, or channellers, or that kind of things? VRParapshycology if you want to name this way.

Let's say pleroma, or akahasic field is some kind of ocean (in wich shamans went throught since ever). Maybe VR is really the spaceship?

It's like, well, that film. Contact. Maybe we don't have the UFO's right here physically, but in fact we can acced to the plan to construct them (or whatever). I'm trying to see the media as an technologicall extension of the shamanic view.

By the way, and having named Contact, i read somwhere (i don't remember if in Barbelith or where) that Carl Sagan, privatelly, was less skeptic that in his public apperances. Do you know somethinga bout?
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
07:53 / 20.07.06
[bump - boing]

this fell out of my brain while musing on counting days.



the small circles represent single days, the rectangles represent 28-day months.

The green dot at the bottom is the Winter Solstice. The year progresses clockwise beginning with the white circle at the bottom in the yellow rectangle.

It's launch dates are Dec 21-22-23 of 2012.

For 2 reasons:
1) 21-12-2012 has entered into pop culture enough that it may as well be the start of something, and why not a reworked calendar?
2) Y2K and 2001 - our millenial celebrations fizzled to nothing. I suggest we make up for it in 2012.

because there's nothing like celebrating when it's cold and dark out.

Some very interesting things line up with the Winter Solstice of 2012 and the Lunar New Year (Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, and Hebrew, if I'm not mistaken) February 10th 2013.

the Moon enters Aries on Dec 21 2012 (the beginning of her cycle).

If
the mayan 260-day calendar is set in motion on Dec 22 with 1-Muluc (the first of the four glyphs that mark the years - the sign of the Moon),
then
February 10th falls on 1-Imix, the first day of the 260-day calendar (sign of the Dragon) although it signals the beginning of the year of the Water Serpent for the Chinese.

February 10th is the 88th day on the Synaptic Calendar (very good fortune in Chinese numerology).

the month surrounded by the green circle stands midway through the year, and opposite to the green day. It contains the Summer Solstice, and has special consideration outside the other 12 months.

I'm not entirely certain as to why. I suspect it makes the symmetry more solid with 12 months, as it's evenly divisible by 2, 3, 4, and 6.

at any rate, it's part of a greater research project for calendar reform called the Synaptic Calendar, but I thought I'd follow up on all that mad rambling I did around the Winter Solstice on this board about this when it first came burbling out of my subconscious.

July 25th is day out of time (green day) according to the 13-moons PAN folks.
 
 
Ticker
13:20 / 20.07.06
McKenna stated that you only get tool using monkeys as you aproach the collapse point of the Timewave and the Singularity which created it.

Keel and Harpur describe the ultraterrestrial/daemon phenomenon as an active integrated part of this reality that modern humans have placed outside of their cosmology rather than older systems which tended to integrate it.
 
  
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