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sn00p
19:44 / 11.04.06
It is all nonsense and it could never be taken as fact within science, BUT it is a good a model as any for practicing magic. No different from radionics or one of thosse wacky religons.
 
 
petunia
22:58 / 11.04.06
I dunno about it being as good as any other majical system. There seems to be a lot more room for confusion and error when using a set of signifiers and concepts from one discipline and using them in a totally different way in another.

It reminds me somehow of the 'cargo cults' mentioned in the usless information thread. People making runways and airports out of straw...

It's like when scientists try to disprove the existence of god without realising that it has no relevence to the scientific method at all...

But i suppose if your head has enough room for 'play science' and 'real science' then yeah, it could work as a system.

And double helixes do look cool.
 
 
sn00p
15:40 / 17.04.06
Im not saying apply magic to this system, im saying if you do it it will work along the principles of magic.

Crowley said it best:

"In this book it is spoken of the sephiroth & the paths, of spirits & conjurations, of gods, spheres, & planes & many
other things which may or may not exist.

It is immaterial whether they exist or not. By doing certain things, certain results follow; students are most
earnestly warned against attributing objective reality or philosophical validity to any of them."
 
 
Henningjohnathan
15:46 / 17.04.06
Yeah, it seems that ignorance is a breeding ground for crazy psuedoscientific concepts - I'd say that we don't know what the vast majority of genetic material does and it appears that we have a lot of genes that don't do anything. Possibly they will "activate" at some point in the future or in a future species, but genes that do one thing in one animal (grow teeth, for example) do other things in another (grow feathers). It's like a microscopic tool box- and evetually there may be some sort of nanotech that we can use.

On the other hand, from personal experience, I do think that there could be some sort of molecular consciousness in our nervous systems that "remembers" behavior going down the ladder of evolution even as far to the beginnings of multi-cellular life and I think there could be some sort of feedback system that would approximate conscious or semi-conscious communication at that very low level.
 
 
E. Coli from the Milky Way
16:05 / 17.04.06
Whooooooo .... personal experience ... please explain it, 'johnatan! :-)
 
 
Henningjohnathan
18:14 / 17.04.06
Basically explorations of dream states in lucid dreaming as well as the use of visualization to heal serious and semi-serious injuries. I doubt I'm the only person to recognize a "dream landscape" in their nightly experiences. I've found that by moving from point to point in that landscape, created essentially by an unconscious morphean approximations of places I've lived in in waking life, the narratives/experiences that come up are basically reliving points of psychological development (and trauma) in my life. I've also noticed that upon reflection, my mind begins to operate in the same way that it did during those experiences. In other words, I regress to an approximation of my mental development at that point. Now, I'm not reliving the actual experiences as memories, instead, the psychic and emotional sensations that those actual experiences, my perception of them of course, left on my psyche, these are the impulses that lead to the narrative - the dream - that I have when I am at that dreamscape "node" in my subconscious. Sidenote: I've also found extremely powerful structures in this dreamscape that correspond to mystical symbols and cannot account for their presence there.

However, I've occassionally pushed even farther back into a dream experience that has little to do with the life I've lived. These are not "past lives." These are much moe primal experiences that I can only explain so far (in theory) as reliving modes of existence that were "less than human." I've read that the body in the womb goes through apparent evolutionary stages (fish, to lizard, to mammal) as if the pregnancy is a nine-month snapshot of billions of years of chemical and organic development in the environment that led to the creation of the human race.

In any case, these experiences, where I've been a fish or snake/lizard and on down into some sort of cellular metamorphic collection of creatures, have gotten me hypothesizing that, possibly, we have the neurological potential to approximate in our consciousness the development of our physiology (in its nervous conception at least). So, and this is a leap, theoretically, if there was a kind of "communication" between the cells at the beginning of multi-cellular life, and if it is possible that we can "step down" creating a connection and sympathy between our higher consciousness and that base level communication, then, (big stretch) conceivably it would be possible for our minds to somewhat intentionally affect cellular interaction and, if that's possible, intercellular behavior (DNA).

Using this concept as a basic working tool, I've visualized dream healing and health promoting experiments that have had some amazing successes, but that could simply be psychosomatic responses on an understandable level.
 
 
akira
13:41 / 19.04.06
So, and this is a leap, theoretically, if there was a kind of "communication" between the cells at the beginning of multi-cellular life, and if it is possible that we can "step down" creating a connection and sympathy between our higher consciousness and that base level communication, then, (big stretch) conceivably it would be possible for our minds to somewhat intentionally affect cellular interaction and, if that's possible, intercellular behavior (DNA).

Let me get that straight. Is that like regressing your mind to a state when you were a single celled organism, making that your centre or root, and then controlling your own cellular memory from that purely potential state, some how reprograming them?
 
 
Henningjohnathan
14:16 / 19.04.06
Not exactly, and remember this is all subjective experience - I'm theorizing more that even when we were single cells, we, as organisms, are designed for multicellular life and I think that the organic and environmental drives toward multicellular interaction are inherent to our organism all the way up to the superorganic level of the entire species. What I'm talking about more is that I think that basic drive for "multicellularity" is the essential genetic building block or fundament to our evolution, our consciousness and our culture and I think it may be reflected in our nervous system in such a way that we can regress and experience it or a "remembered" approximation of it through altered states of consciousness.

As far as interaction, I think that it is possible (stretch) that if we can actually experience this basic level and interact at that level, then we may be able to influence it and possibly influence every element of the system including genes within the cells.
 
  

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