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Will you refuse to use identity cards if they become compulsory?

 
 
All Acting Regiment
17:41 / 16.03.06
I've made a decision. I'm in the UK, and should I ever be compelled to carry an identity cards, whether or not it will cost me money, I will refuse to do so. Not because I'm cooler or more revolutionary than anyone else, but because I disagree with identity cards. I will not pay any money towards and if I get fined ofr doing so I will not pay the fine. Any card I get sent or given will be chopped in half.

Is anyone else going to do this?
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
17:52 / 16.03.06
Definitely. Mind you, prison doesn't look like much fun and I'm in far too much debt as it is.*

*I presume imprisonment would be the final outcome of refusing to pay ID card related fines, as with Council Tax. Is this the case?
 
 
BlueMeanie
17:56 / 16.03.06
I would like to say yes to this. ID cards can fuck right off.

My laziness at form filling and getting important stuff in order concurs.
 
 
Blake Head
20:19 / 16.03.06
I’d love to be with you on this, especially as I have a real problem with the idea of compulsory ID cards as well. The problem might be that they might be introduced in a more subtle manner than one where you get fined for not having them. What if as they become part of our (UK) passport system, they also infiltrate other aspects of society: medical services, monetary services, that sort of thing? What if identity cards become linked with electronic payment? What if you need them to your groceries?

At first it might be voluntary to carry them on the streets but I suspect it could be made incrementally untenable for you not to get them - and then it’s so much easier to make them compulsory, as everyone (pretty much) has them anyway, and those prepared to put up a fight or go to prison are more likely to be seen as “unreasonable”. At least that would be how I did it if I ran the paranoid evil government in my head.

So now I feel hopeless. Bleh…

So: yes. If I have a choice I’ll refuse. Whether we’ll get a choice is another thing.
 
 
BlueMeanie
20:24 / 16.03.06
It may be an idea to order a new passport just before the new fangled ones get introduced as part of the ID card system. That means you'll have 10 years of possible avoidance. I think that's going to be my plan, anyway.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:24 / 16.03.06
I'd also like to do this... however my marriage to a foreign national and her need for a visa (not to mention the impounding of my passport by the Home Office, thus necessitating getting a new one a lot quicker than I'd intended) may make it tricky.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:25 / 16.03.06
Although Dr A's idea seems ideal for me at the mo'...
 
 
■
20:54 / 16.03.06
Popping over to Pledgebank might be a good start if you're serious, although the first two pledges have closed.
 
 
The Falcon
21:30 / 16.03.06
It may be an idea to order a new passport just before the new fangled ones get introduced as part of the ID card system. That means you'll have 10 years of possible avoidance. I think that's going to be my plan, anyway.

That's exactly what I was going to say. I was ranting about them to a pal and she was like 'when does your passport expire?' I think it's next year, so I definitely intend to get that done. Fuck an ID card.
 
 
enrieb
21:39 / 16.03.06
I shall go on to the end. We shall defend our liberty whatever the cost may be: we shall fight on the highstreet, the buses, in the shopping centres and on the tube. We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, will carry on the struggle until in God's good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old. .
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
00:51 / 17.03.06
An interesting issue for me, given the existing proposals for ID card registration. At present, AFAIK, the government plans to make any application for a passport a point of automatic registration. As a dual-national and holder of two passports I am afforded the luxury of allowing my UK passport to expire and only retaining my other one.

Of course there is one point of issue that does come into play here, and that is the act of making an entrance to the UK. The last time that I did this without a British passport, I was given two months by immigration control to present the necessary proof of nationality to some vaguely specified arm of the Home Office or face eviction from the UK. Not wishing to be deported under negative circumstances I made enquiries to the relevant offices and promptly fell into an administrative black hole of numbers to call, messages left, callbacks promised and so on. I gave up fairly swiftly and in the ensuing three and a half years no one ever called or came knocking at my parents house (my address as given to immigration control at my time of entry). I remain unperturbed as the passport bearing that limitation expired and I am not required to present it in any official capacity henceforth, particularly as I did obtain a UK passport within the required two months. Entertainly enough, the collective offices of the government now consider me an illegal immigrant, a taxpayer, a resident, a citizen and a security cleared former employee of three seperate departments and seven seperate offices.

However, in the future I will not be able to count on such laxity. Whilst I may be able to rely on the lack of communication between civil offices, my repeat presence at immigration control bearing a passport with such limitations is likely to raise a number of questions to which the answers may not be conduicive to continued presence in the country. It's worthy of note that as someone with dual nationality the UK government has the power to revoke my citizenship and bar me from entering the country, although I do not imagine that they would pursue sucha course of action over refusal to get an ID card.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:52 / 17.03.06
No, I probably won't. I won't vote for anyone who supports identity cards and I will support those who seek to stop them being brought in/get rid of them once the legislation is brought through, I don't like them and don't want them, but I'm a realistic coward.

It'll be worth finding out how to ensure how any biometric data for this card doesn't work when it's taken though. Apparently a bad night's sleep is enough for retinal scans...
 
 
Jub
07:56 / 17.03.06
interesting thought Our Lady.

When it comes to the ID card, I don't really see how people will avoid them. I am sick to the stonach with the thought that the government have brought in these cards. They will slowly bring them in and tighten the net on those that don't have them, first with incentives then with fines. I am going to renew my passport pronto to get away from the biometric testing for the next ten years.
 
  
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