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Narrative Hypersigil Query

 
 
seamonkey
15:13 / 14.03.02
I know this may sound stupid but I'm new to all this and need some help as far as definitions go:

Could someone explain to me exactly what a "narrative hypersigil" entails? I mean, I get the gist of sigils in general, but how does one go about creating a narrative hypersigil? How is it like/unlike memetics? Also, how is "The Invisibles" an example of this? And finally, does a narrative hypersigil have to be limited to a story or comic? Could an album or a film be a narrative hypersigil as well? What about a game (video/computer/rpg)? A website? Just wondering. Thanks muchly in advance.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:18 / 14.03.02
A narrative hypersigil is a basically a story that you want to come true. You put yourself in the yarn as the main character and describe the kinds of things happening that you want to have happen to you. You could certainly use any of the forms you describe above. I'm working on one myself, where a certain dashing bald herione gets a fabulous book contract and a top 40 single

I'm sure everyone will want help you out with the detail, but that's the gist of it.

[ 14-03-2002: Message edited by: Mordant C@rnival ]
 
 
Trijhaos
15:43 / 14.03.02
I'm sure someone will say "Check the other threads" so to save you the trouble here are a few links

horrid hypersigil

hypersigils, alters, and other stuff

I was pretty sure there was another one out there, but for the life of me I can't find it.
 
 
seamonkey
15:55 / 14.03.02
When you say that you "put yourself in the yarn as the main character", does that mean that the "You" (character/alter ego) you are writing about becomes your fiction suit via a kind of "magickal feedback" process? Sounds a little like the waking equivalent of a lucid dream in some ways.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
16:15 / 14.03.02
To a large extent, 'narrative hypersigil' is a term created by Grant Morrison and since he hasn't really gotten into explaining what he means by that, no one else is really sure what he means by that.

I take it to mean 'storytelling as a type of magick' (not necessarily as literal as a story you want to come true but where there are elements you do want to manifest in your life, reality, etc.) but for all I know it may be very different in Morrison's mind. Maybe he'll finally get around to writing the hypersigil installment of his 'pop magic' column.
 
 
ciarconn
15:18 / 14.05.02
Hey, sorry to bring this bakc again. I am trying to generate an hypersigil narration, and it's almost over, but I feel something lacks. It's so strong that the PC wont let me finish the text.

Has anybody done some rituals? An specific structure? Who has had results on this? Feedbacking with standard sigils?

Any similarity to thew spell-encoded urban legend we did some time ago?

any idea will be apreciated
 
 
Sebastian
13:59 / 16.05.02
Actually thanks for bringing it back, Ciarconn. This topic fascinates me. And I have definitely lived that thing of PCs crashing just about any powerful story. Keep cool. Stalk your PC. Don't fret. Smile. Be amused. Look happy. Start again piece by piece. Even if walls come tumbling down. If you have to re-write everything back it will boost things even more. Sharp Magick. This is my stand.

My experiences and after-thoughts on the hyper-sigil matter are as follows.

I used to write a lot of chapters for to-be-novels, portraying characters and situations of my immediate life. This was long before I went fully into Magick, but still while I was already over-aware of coincidences and weird "quantic" occurrences. Of course, lots of permeatings took place between my writings and my waking life and, oh, my dreaming life also. And by the way, my life was quite an amusing mess at that time.

Years later, being the now and present times, I think that the hyper-sigil starts working through the very craft of the writing (which in my opinion works as a magick ritual).

I mean, first you come with the magickal intention, then you design the plot, then you start writing it as a story or as a novel or whatever. At some point, you are going to pay a lot of attention to strictly literary matters, so that you go for the literary richness of the text, and you start paying attention to the length of sentences, adjectives, the order and repetition of words, so that the whole thing will look fresh and nice for publishing under the eyes of an editor, an eventual reader and the crappy literary critics we all have read from.

So, at this stage, you may literally blew the plot out of your mind while becoming obssessed in finding "the precise word", the tempo, the glittering perceptions that only the writer can convey to the reader so to blast him full into the literary experience. And you re-read the whole thing one time and another, changing articles, adjectives, commas, periods, tiny details. And I think that is how the thing is charged and creates momentum.

Then the sun rises, the exhausted writer drops the pen, stretches out a bit, closes his dictionary, goes out for a walk, and starts bumping right into his story, one, two, three irrelevant details, three passing thoughts, three particular observations, he sees friends shaking hands, flowers blooming, and a dead canary on the street, right at his feet, with that same peculiar stiffness his covert-self-detective had noticed in the dead corpse of the prostitute abandoned on the alley, the opened eyes staring blankly at an indifferent void they had never heard about. All of this, of course, if he is aware of it.

I hope your magick rocks.
 
 
ciarconn
21:48 / 16.05.02
I think you hit right in the the nail, Sebastian.
I somehow had assumed the charging of the hypersigil to be when epople read the text (if it's published, it gets more powerful because more people read it), but it's the initial charging of the "craft" that must be insuficient in my spell (that's what I feel now), besides something in the structure of the magickal sequence inside the text.
Gonna work on that.
For the sinchronicity (and almost spooky) record: the main character in my tale is named Sebastian (Black).
Hello!
 
 
Sebastian
18:38 / 17.05.02
Okay, lets forget the sigil thing for a while. Are we going to ever read it? Keep us informed if you like, and actually I am interested in it.

Maybe for those Hyper-Sigil Magickians bringing out stories other members who wish to read and "charge" them they should request to the Magi-Writer to send the story, just as graphic sigils are sent to the list for charging. And ONLY literary criticisms should be allowed -otherwise it would be like discussing about how "I" would have done YOUR a graphic sigil.

I'll see if I write something -a short hyper-sigil story- and send it around. I've been looking after for this. Mmmmh... a Barbelith Book of Short Stories by The Unknown Magickians? We'll see...
 
 
ciarconn
01:48 / 18.05.02
Finally finished it. I reviewed it's magickal structure, and found one or two little holes. it's finished, and working already. Now I am planning the second part.

"Barbelith editions: where our dreams become your reality"

wow
 
 
Seth
09:33 / 18.05.02
So much of our thinking is shaped by narrative structure, practically from the moment we’re born. We map these structures onto our lives in ways we don’t even realise, and the fact that so many people are doing it creates can create the impression of vast narrative made up of everyone’s interlocking stories. Hypersigils make really interesting use of this: they seem to work because they talk to *reality* in its own language, or at the very least in the language we use to interpret *reality*. A good many people are of the opinion that we created the gods... that’s fine, but if there were a creationist god I imagine that storytelling would be one of their prime motivations. Of course, either way of thinking works, as storytelling is one of our fundamental reasons for creating the gods.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
21:28 / 18.05.02
I'm going to make a short story narrative sigil. I want to be a part of
Barbelith editions: where our dreams become your reality

That is the coolest Idea. I could see that getting published.
 
 
Sebastian
12:51 / 22.05.02
Ciarconn, I saw you finished your story days back, if you would like me to read/charge it no problem (send it to aka_sabretooth@yahoo.com). Just see for yourself. The condition is that I will not attempt to elucidate the sigil intention, just focus on it as a narrative piece, and not draw any relation to real-life people, events or whatever. Comments from my part only if you would like to have them. Otherwise I'll go to the tomb with them.

If its in Spanish we can attempt English translation for anyone interested -I've done this in the past.

Anybody thought of a nice foreword to the eventual edition? "... amusing stories to the reader, which encrypt infectious spells and demonic invocations from..."
 
 
agvvv
18:10 / 16.03.04
Whatever happened to this?
 
  
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