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Paris Hilton's lifestyle seems to have infected young adult literature

 
  

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Disco is My Class War
10:44 / 22.03.06
Just an off thought, but there is something to be said for gatekeeping (within reason) simply to give the kids something rebel against or go around. More opportunities to push an envelope.

Huh? So, it's reasonable to police the cultural products your kids are permitted to consume, just so that they 'have something to rebel against'? Is this from the Hobbesian school of child-rearing, where what oppresses you makes you stronger? What does 'having something to rebel against', mean, exactly?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:01 / 22.03.06
Well, gatekeeping over oppression, but merely keeping in mind that they will (probably) go against your stated wishes and read other things / look up porn on the net / etc. I'm thinking of a happy medium between oppressive gatekeeping and book without any consideration. But, of course, I don't have kids, so I should probably be quiet.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:57 / 25.03.06
More generally, do you mean that the real problem with these books is that they are badly written, or that they depict sex in an unrealistic fashion?

Tom addresses Polly's need to write about muscles rippling beneath skin, pointing out that muscles don't do that. For years I was slightly fixated on that part of DWJ's book because it seemed like a particularly good rule for anyone writing anything at all.

This sentence, highlighted in Naomi Wolf's article is problematic and incredibly badly written because it shows a lack of thought by the writer: He grabbed her camisole and yanked it away from her body, ripping it entirely in half. No camisole, made of any material would rip in half when yanked away from someone's body. If it did rip at all it wouldn't rip entirely, it wouldn't rip in half and he would have to do more than yank it.

I don't mind a bit of fantasy injected into books, I don't demand any kind of morality in fiction but I would prefer it if, when writing these books, the authors made it clear that they were set in a parallel universe where materials and the human body obey different laws (I do not extend this to erotica which admits this simply through its genre). Just think of the generation of teenage girls who will be disappointed that cotton, silk and nylon do not tear as they have been told they do. At a stretch the author could at least point out that the camisole was purchased at Ann Summers and was in fact made of paper.
 
 
pangloss
18:20 / 29.03.06
I'm thinking of a happy medium between oppressive gatekeeping and book without any consideration.

I agree with Papers here. There is a balance, but it doesn't involve dishonestly telling your children not to do something and waiting for them to do it behind your back. It's about telling them your values, explaining your reasons, and saying that you find some things unacceptable. Then you let your children read whatever they like, in the knowledge that they're doing it without your blessing.

To put it another way, parental 'gatekeeping' is acceptable as long as it doesn't go beyond providing information and refusing to support children doing things you don't like. Actively preventing children reading whatever they choose is bad, bad, bad.

hmmm....am I the only person who feels really icky writing about "what parents should do"? Perhaps I'd better shut up now, before the unjustified moral pronouncements get out of hand.
 
 
ShadowSax
16:07 / 04.04.06
naomi wolf is quoted as supported a book rating system. at least this way, us readers of great kids literature won't actually have to look thru books like "nobody does it better" and "gossip girl" to realize they might have references to sex and bad social habits.

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Cat Chant
10:39 / 05.04.06
Point Books have a 'T' rating ('rated for teens only') on some of their books already, SSax (see this for an example).

Actually, now I come to think of it, this book - Kate Cann's Footloose - is a great example of the kind of sexually explicit teen literature Naomi Wolf would probably approve of - or an even better example would be her Diving In trilogy, which is basically an entire trilogy about the emotional ramifications of a girl's first experiences of sex. Words like 'feminist' and 'empowering' come to mind. I'll allow that it's pretty heterocentric, but within that it does an excellent job of talking about how a young straight couple negotiate their different ideas about sex and sexuality, and it has a very strong narrative argument about young women's sexual autonomy. I completely love it and I wish I'd read it when I was starting out with sex, though I doubt it would have done me any good. But it's very clearly designed to provide a set of emotional and conceptual resources for young people having/thinking about sex. Which makes it sound sort of preachy, which I don't think it is, really, that's just the way I read books.

I'm still thinking about Gossip Girl, though. I think this:

The great reads of adolescence have classically been critiques of the corrupt or banal adult world. It's sad if the point of reading for many girls now is no longer to take the adult world apart but to squeeze into it all the more compliantly.

is kind of key. I think it's a misreading of 'the great reads of adolescence' - Wolf is talking mainly, it seems to me, about the mission of adult literature with teenage narrators (The Catcher in the Rye etc). A lot of young adult fiction is about negotiating the passage into an adult world: using an adolescent character as an 'outsider' to critique a corrupt and banal society is a great literary device, but I'm not sure how useful it is to teenagers (especially without some sense of how they might become full agents for change within a corrupt adult society, rather than just remaining marginalized - which is not actually possible if you equate 'marginal' status with teenagerhood, given how time has a way of continuing to pass).

I see her point about there being a problem with books that teach girls how to 'squeeze ever more compliantly into' a social world based around commodified heterosexuality. I remember, though, having a sense of real joy and - something almost transgressive, like, are they allowed to do this? - when I first read the Gossip Girl books. Girls smoking! And drinking! And looking incredibly glamorous! And getting jobs as models and being in rock bands and making films and applying to NYU Film School and shaving their heads! It's like a school story populated entirely by the kinds of girl that were systematically ostracized and destroyed at Malory Towers!

I don't know. I think the narratives tend to go against Naomi Wolf's reading: there's commodified sex in there, there's an awful lot of designers' names and other markers of this-is-how-to-be-cool, there's casual and not-so-casual cruelty, but - I don't know how else to say it. They feel good-hearted to me. Where they overtly give advice, it's good advice. The plots are often about the value of friendship and the complexities of negotiating relationships and other such useful things. I'm not sure that Wolf's got it right when she says:

The books have a kitsch quality — they package corruption with a cute overlay.

I'm not sure that the cute overlay is the 'package' and corruption is the 'content': I'd be inclined to give them more of the benefit of the doubt, and say that 'corruption' (ie commodification, glamour, Mean-Girls-style popularity wars and consumerist codes of behaviour) is the thoroughly enjoyable package for a set of pretty cute stories.

And one more thing. Where Wolf says The narratives offer the perks of the adult world not as escapist fantasy but in a creepily photorealistic way she's sort of got a point, but I'm not sure how useful it is to tell children on the brink of the adult world that it's an 'escapist fantasy', given that, well, it isn't. And one of the cliches of children's literature is the question of how to get rid of the parents - that is, how to make the children free agents, negotiating the difficulties and challenges of an adult world. I supposethe most interesting point for me in Wolf's criticisms of these novel is the question of what sorts of worlds we want to see child/young-adult characters conquering: Wolf's thing about how

Sex and shopping take their places on a barren stage, as though, even for teenagers, these are the only dramas left.

Why are sex and shopping less worthwhile, more barren, as the mythological backdrops to a coming-of-age story? Because they can be taken more literally than swords and sorcery? This is an open question, by the way - I'm genuinely interested in whether realist (or even 'photorealist') fiction has a different set of responsibilities than non-realist.

(Oh, and when I said 'gatekeeping', I meant precisely that: control over what cultural productions a child has access to. Obviously adults are always going to recommend, dispraise, even forbid, certain things to children, just like they do to each other: that's different from having or attempting to have control over all points of access to culture.)

(Oh, too, Haus, you should totally post about Nina won't tell which is a Great Book.)
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
14:16 / 05.04.06
Fabulous post. My cogs are whirring - I'll try and post something more cogent later, but in the meantime

I'm genuinely interested in whether realist (or even 'photorealist') fiction has a different set of responsibilities than non-realist.

My immediate response was, no - and how real or photoreal are these worlds for most readers anyway? No more so than Malory Towers, I'd guess (or the Chalet School for international glamour). Is there really any difference between Gossip Girl, which is written explicitly for young adults, and Jilly Cooper et al, often read by adolescents? Or is it just the direct marketing to young adults that's the problem?
 
  

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