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The meaning of Rex Mundi

 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
20:19 / 08.03.02
Hey y'all, me again.

A long time ago in the daze of the Invisibles I was first introduced to the name Rex Mundi.
At that time, I was learning Latin and decided to check out the meanings of this name.

What I got:
Rex:King, Ruler, Leader, Tyrant, Despot
Mundi:World, Universe, Toilet, Fashion

I was amazed.
Rex Mundi- King of the world, Ruler of the Universe...Fashion Tyrant?
I was brought back to the idea of the Hylic grail in the series.<<<Toilet>>> and how so many of the characters were named John <<<toilet>>>. It lead me to Revelations (written by John of Patamos) and the reference to the whore of Babylon ( a whore's consort/client is a John) and it being the name of anonymity (John Doe). The <<<fashion>>> concept got me on to fictionsuits and the whole John-a-dreams stucture.

<<<end ramble>>>

Does anyone have thoughts on this? Or...have I lost it??
 
 
—| x |—
20:33 / 08.03.02
[slowly]

Ohhh, I think you've got it all right, but whatever the hell it is you've got, keep it the hell away from me!



unhelpfully yours,
{0, 1, 2}
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:01 / 08.03.02
Hmmm. Yeah, Rex Mundi's almost as good as The Corinthian for multiple interpretations. Or, indeed, Mordant Carnival.

And do they mean toilet as in loo, or toilet as in toilet water- y'know, getting spruced up?
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
22:10 / 08.03.02
From what I remember, depending on who's using the term it either means 'Jesus' or 'Satan'. I'm not positive but I'm under the impression that the Cathars might have meant both as one in the same.

I've always heard it more as Satan or Lucifer myself but I'm not up on the historical references.

In certain Latin American practices there is 'Lucifer Mundo' who is also a variation on Rex Mundi and is considered King of the World.

Lucifer rules the earth and has the ability to grant earthly power. God rules the spiritual. There are supposedly ways to command Lucifer to do things in God's name so that you get temporal power without Lucifer trying to fuck with you in the process.

Kinda like telling a devious employer that his boss is watching so as not to fuck with you and keep everything above board.
 
 
The Monkey
22:36 / 08.03.02
Satan/Demiurge as Rex Mundi would be a Gnostic reading, with God/Jesus marked as the distinct Rex Caeli. Given the pretty Gnostic/Manichean bent of the Invisibles,
I'd say this might be what was meant...
after all, it is the Shoggoth - a figure embodying limitation and control - being crowned as "Rex Mundi," representing a kind of epoxying of the spirit to the prison of the flesh. One could yank in at this point Plato's representation as the material world as the flawed reflection of the ideal world...which ties in with the [icythus fish symbol in Christianity], which KM at one points describes as a model of the material universe as a hologram created by the overlap of the Outer Church and the Invisible College - respectively the ideal and the contraideal Platonic forms. [one could further look at the intentionality of naming the opposing sides "Church" - implying dogmatism, orthodoxy, hence control - and "College" - hence heterodoxy, questioning, hence freedom.]

While Jack Frost - as both a Christ figure and a Bodhisattva - transcends the material in multiple senses, including his own touch with Nirvana, and thus could be considered indexical of the Rex Caeli figure...the movement into the purely spirit, or the Platonic ideal.

The "toilet" and "fashion" definitions could similarly be tied into this Gnostic interpretation, being signifiers of both the impurity and transitory nature of material reality. The thing is, you can play po forever, and never run out of connections....

[ 09-03-2002: Message edited by: [monkey - greatest sage of all] ]
 
 
—| x |—
04:42 / 09.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Lothar Tuppan:
From what I remember, depending on who's using the term it either means 'Jesus' or 'Satan'. I'm not positive but I'm under the impression that the Cathars might have meant both as one in the same.


Now this I like 'cause it's another one of those (a, b) = s type of things, ya? Where a:= Jesus, b:= Satan, and s:= Rex Mundi. [note that ':=' means, loosely, "is defined as"]

quote:[monkey...] sez:
one could further look at the intentionality of naming the opposing sides "Church" - implying dogmatism, orthodoxy, hence control - and "College" - hence heterodoxy, questioning, hence freedom.


And that might be, say, a "standard interpretation" but I would not hesitate to add that we could look at "deviant interpretations" where "Church" might imply rebirth, community, love, and hence, freedom and where "college" could imply brainwashing, conformity, indoctrination, and thus, control.

It always seemed to me that the big question of The Invisibles (as it was marketed in many a promo) was, "What side are you on?" and the answer to this question was, "there are no sides," or, "the sides are interchangeable," or "the sides are a synthesis," or, "the sides are an interdependent co-arrising," or etc.

[Monkey...] also says:

quote:The thing is, you can play po forever, and never run out of connections....

and ain't that the BIG truth/lie, ya? The set of possible interpretations is uncountably infinite (in contrast to the countably infinite—there are different sizes of infinities, btw), and so, you can never run out of novel ways to connect the dots.

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Zebbin
05:14 / 09.03.02
The Invisible Prince sits on a toilet.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:35 / 09.03.02
But what is he reading?
 
 
—| x |—
19:54 / 09.03.02
Why the Akashic Records of course! Or are the Records reading him?

<laughs>
he-he, he-she, she-she!

m3
 
 
Zebbin
11:18 / 10.03.02
nah.. maxim..

[ 10-03-2002: Message edited by: Zebbin ]
 
 
Naked Flame
22:08 / 10.03.02
with those Latin etymological connections, I'd be tempted to see ol' Rex as the generative force behind the Spectacle, also.
 
 
grant
18:45 / 11.03.02
The Mundi = John thing can probably be explained by the idea of the "mundane," the average, earthly, dirty, worldly stuff. I'm pretty sure the "toilet" meaning has nothing to do with daily ablutions and everything to do with crapping in a hole.

Lucifer and Jesus have a few epigrams in common - "Lord of Light," "Morning Star," "Prince of Peace."
Both were holy creatures who descended to Earth at the behest of the Most High, plunging from pure consciousness & unity (spiritus) into chaos, multiplicity & physicality (mundi).
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
18:25 / 12.03.02
Hey Flame On, I'm a bit confused...what did you mean when you said: quote:with those Latin etymological connections, I'd be tempted to see ol' Rex as the generative force behind the Spectacle, also.

That's the problem with sharing your name with a gnostic demiurge...
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
17:44 / 14.03.02
I feel so alone.... Are there any gnostic thinkers out there?

[ 14-03-2002: Message edited by: Civus Rex ]
 
 
Re-Set
20:53 / 15.03.02
Gnostic thinker here. Almost seems a contradiction of terms though.
 
 
Gek
20:55 / 15.03.02
Like an oxymoron isn't it.
 
 
Naked Flame
15:22 / 16.03.02
Well, all those connections to fashion for one, the heavy emphasis on the material, and the sense of tricksterism that I get from your breakdown of the name, Rex.

The Spectacle itself would refer to the illusion, reinforced by 99% of Western cultural artifice, that contemporary reality is a spectator sport and that actual involvement happens to other people: from within the machinery of the Spectacle the world looks like an audience. It's essentially a mechanism of control and one that is destabilising as we speak- indeed, is being destabilised through this very conversation. IIRC it's a phrase coined by Derrida, but I'm kinda hazy on that.
 
 
Gek
22:54 / 16.03.02
quote:Well, all those connections to fashion for one, the heavy emphasis on the material, and the sense of tricksterism that I get from your breakdown of the name, Rex.
The funniest part is, that is the actual latin translation...If only it were a trick!!
I tell ya, when I saw those meanings,my mind went whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.This is why I obsess on this topic over and over...there has to be deeper meaning to Rex Mundi...
Anyone else?
 
  
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