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Road to Guantanamo

 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
20:51 / 09.03.06
Just watched this on channel 4 (UK) and by god if this isn't moving stuff. So, any comments on it, percieved bias etc., and how do people think films like this will inform the general public about the plight of people held at the mercy of the American Government.
 
 
Spaniel
21:20 / 09.03.06
The film is available for download here

Go get it.
 
 
Smoothly
23:00 / 09.03.06
I have to confess that I didn't see the last 20 minutes of this because I switched over to Question Time, pretty unimpressed by what I'd seen. So maybe I missed all the stuff I would have found really moving or that thought would change people's impressions of the plight of people held by the American Government.
But really, with the coverage Gitmo in the media over the last couple of years - let alone Abu Ghraib - I'd wouldn't have thought this revealed much at all.
Dunno, I suppose I'm asking. What did you find so moving about this, Math? What do you think will shock or inform people more than they are already?
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
07:08 / 10.03.06
I think the main problem for the UK in dealing with Guantanamo and other acts of US hostility to human rights, is the lack of a sutible frame of reference. So the fact that the three main characters are just standard English boys, who we all know, with thier rap music and swearing, and can understand them culturally, helped me to get into thier headspace. The thing that struck me about the whole episode was how unfair this was on the boys, how the system at Guantanamo is based on extracting the "correct" answers from prisoners, as opposed to the truth, and how ineffectual the whole system was. For example, the three british characters are thought to have been at a rally in Afghanistan attended by Osama Bin Laden in Jan or Aug 2001, when two of them were doing community service for fraud and violent behaviour, and one was working in Currys in Tipton.

It was very moving, in the way that prison dramas are. Also, the way in which the characters were debased and such was harrowing, but one scene really did me in. A US officer showed one of the inmates how well known he was by prinitng out a google search of his name, and while looking through the prisoner discovered his nephew had died while he had been in Guantanamo, something he had no idea about as he'd been denied any access to his family, either in person or writing. Also, the UK consulte was a fucking joke who just allowed this to continue for months and did nothing to help.
 
 
Benny the Ball
09:55 / 10.03.06
They were guilty of little more than being incredibly niave, if the film is to be believed.

What shocked me most was the Dick Chaney clip of him saying 'we are observing the Genever Convention, for the most part' - when a "civilised" country fails to act civil to its enemies, it ceases to be civililsed.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
11:41 / 10.03.06
Hmmm....I thought the film spectacularly failed to address the big question which everybody was asking, really : What the fuck were you doing in Afghanistan? You went to Pakistan to get married and ended up in a serious military conflict? Some honeymoon.
 
 
Smoothly
12:43 / 10.03.06
Weren’t you paying attention, Money $hot? They went to get some really big naan.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
23:37 / 11.03.06
Guantanamo Bay is full of people who were dumb enough to go to Afghanistan for the big naan or for other misguided reasons but they have been treated there as if they were Bin Laden and his High Command. They're not. It's stupid and it's criminal.

I have Muslim friends who went to Pakistan for whatever family reason and then made a bigger trip out of it, seeing more of the Umma before coming home to live their responsible, grey British lives.

I agree, by and large, with the Desperate Newbie. I accept that Winterbottom showed his boys in the best possible light but I was convinced of his thesis that the Americans locked them up and tortured them because they wanted to look tough for the domestic audience. And got naught for their comfort out of it.
 
 
Ganesh
23:54 / 11.03.06
Also, one "moving" aspect was the following of individuals through the whole system, from capture in the Middle East to prolonged incarceration, interrogation and torture at the hands of US and UK agencies. I was troubled by the against-your-will shoutiness of pretty much every Camp X-Ray scene (isn't it also distressing for the guards that every interaction's a "FUCK YOU" one?) and, most of all, by the solitary confinement scenes. Intellectually, one is aware of 'stress positions' and so on; that knowledge doesn't however, communicate the sheer hellishness of being close-chained to the floor in a dark metal box for hours and hours on end, forced to piss and shit oneself to the accompaniment of eardrum-piercing crap-rock. The Road to Guantanamo brought that particular situation home to me quite effectively.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
10:43 / 12.03.06
I agree, by and large, with the Desperate Newbie.

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